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Please help! Had my gun taken in Oklahoma....

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    Alright folks here's the deal. Ill start off by saying I am 26 and I have never had cuffs on my wrists until the other night when this mess happened.

    I'm from Louisiana and I work all over the us as a welder. It's hard to keep up with all the stupid gun laws so I do my best. I was traveling through Blanchard Oklahoma the other night and got pulled over for speeding. Yes I was speeding but not going 100 or anything like that. The officer walked up and asked for my stuff, I start looking for it and tell him that I have several guns in the truck. He starts getting all nervous and says are any loaded. I couldn't remember if I had one chambered in my glock 19 or not so I went ahead and said yes. I may as well have pulled it out and started shooting because at that point I was cuffed and thrown in the car..... I have a permit but it has recently expired, I didn't have time to renew it cause I've been too busy working. So they threw me in jail and kept my glock and impounded my truck. Which I didn't like because I have all kind of guns, ammo and night vision that don't need to come up missing.

    After 14 hours in jail and every officer there telling me that it it was complete bull shit that I got arrested for that, I got out and paid all my fines. The judge also thought it was BS and just made me pay court cost ($50) it was supposed to be $2800! Now the Blanchard PD won't give me my gun back! I keep getting the run around about what I need to do to get it. They say call the DA because he is the only one that can release it. The DA says its not up to him, it's up to the Blanchard PD. It's only a $500 glock but its my $500 glock! I want it back! I can't hang out for 2 weeks or whatever to get it back, I don't live here and I have to go to work in south tx ASAP.

    So what I'm asking is, how do I get my gun back? Is it legal for them to keep it after I'm done with all my stuff? I have paid all my fees and I have no more court dates! I'm about to pull my hair out dealing with these ass holes.....
     
    Well take this for what its worth. I am a cattle and poultry farmer from Arkansas. I would hire an attorney in OK. Why didn't they confiscate the other weapons? As long as the pistol was in plain sight was it not legal? OK is a very progun state, I would think it could be worked out fairly easy. If not escalate things legally on your end. A farmers 2 cents worth! Hope you get your Glock and $50 back! krw
     
    Go back to the judge that thru the case out and charged you with court cost. Ask the judge to sign a release for your property. You may have to go then to the PD or wherever the holding room is located at and speak with someone there. You'll give them a COPY I say COPY of that release paper for your property being held. This is the path I had to take when I got into a issue and had my 1911 and Ar-15 in lock down at the PD. I also took a lawyer with me so this may have help things along. If the judge will sign a release for it you should have anymore problem if so call the judge back and let them know that there wishes was not granted. Then the judge should roll some heads about it.
     
    Form a fellow pipeliner, (xray hand) Lawyer up in OK. and go back to Cotulla (sorry just took at stab at where your working). Pay the lawyer to handle your business. Yes it will prolly cost you more than the 500 to replace the weapon. But it keeps the PD from being able to pad their budget with the auction of you property though the Civil forfeiture laws. and you get YOUR stuff back
     
    Confiscation is a very effective means of firearms control. Even though there may be no legal justification for the refusal to return your handgun, the stall tactics leave very little recourse for you, the average citizen. Perhaps the NRA (if you are a member) might come to your aide but if you hire an attorney to help recover your property it will not be very cost effective and actually much cheaper to replace it. In fact, you have indicated that it was loaded in your vehicle and you do not have a valid CCW permit (with reciprocity, as a non-resident) so I imagine they might be very determined to refuse to relinquish it (guessing it is in violation of OK statute.) Here in Michigan, it would be a felony (if the handgun did have at least one round in it) and you would probably not gotten off with a slap of the hands. As mentioned, it seems a little odd they released your other firearms so easily.................could have been much worse!
     
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    The pistol was in the floor of my truck half under my seat half open. In Louisiana it has to be 2 steps from firing to be legal. So the mag was loaded and stuck in the gun but not seated completely and locked into the gun (step 1) there was not a round chambered (step 2).

    Oklahoma is pro gun? I say bull shit. I think they are pro Obama in Blanchard. I got stopped in dfw about a month ago and the same thing happened. Told the officer I had the guns and 1 was loaded. Did I go to jail and they take my gun? No they asked what kind it was and admired my HK pistol. I thanked them for being nice and they thanked me for co operating and we went our seperate ways. ( Just how it should have went on OK the other night )
     
    Damn Pipeliners always get the shaft...cant help you none, but if you find your way up by Prague OK give surgeon a call a swing in and see there shop. So are you 798?
     
    I feel your pain and sympathize with you completely. However. Expired CCW and the situation you described in North Carolina and you would likely not get your gun back, and probably be charged with concealed weapons charge. IF you are gonna carry concealed then DON'T let your permit expire. The law is 3 moves in NC I do believe. If you had your pistol behind the seat where you couldn't reach it, OR had it laying in the seat in plain sight you would have been fine. I expect it would have been fine in OK, though not sure about their open carry laws. If you knew your CCW was expired you should have properly secured or displayed your pistol, long guns are a non issue.

    Get a lawyer, or let them have the gun. Those are probably your choices.
     
    The problem here is you are dealing with small town cops in OK. I live here and can say from experience that small town cops here are "Gung Ho" about any firearm related traffic stop. A friend of mine was given a deferred sentence for "Failure to notify" because
    " I have a gun" were not the first words out of his mouth when the officer approached the vehicle. He had a squeaky clean record until now.

    I would think because your SDA permit was expired would not be enough for any reasonably minded judge to not allow you to have your gun back. In OK your SDA can be up to 3 years expired and be renewed without re-applying.

    How expired was it?

    Being that you weren't charged with a crime, I don't see how they can legally seize it.
     
    And this is a prime example of why you under no circumstance ever talk to the police any more than with a direct answer to a direct, legal question.

    You practically gave your rights up when you volunteered information and there is a 99% chance you would have gotten just a ticket and moved on with life had you kept your mouth shut. I cannot believe how many people I know have invited problems onto themselves this way.

    Regardless, get your damn Glock back. Lawyer up. Chances are itll cost you $200 for them to review your case and send a demand letter or some form of correspondance that says what they are doing is illegal. Once this happens and they see they cant dick you around anymore, your Glock will magically be available.
     
    I've been meaning to stop by the surgeon shop I just haven't made time to do so. I will in a couple days probly tho! No sir I'm not 798 I'm non union and mostly tig weld in refinerys.

    Yea I guess ill have to get a lawyer and all that but the way I see it no matter where my gun was the damn thing wasn't loaded anyway. Didnt even have the mag seated..... It pisses me off that they can carry a gun and I can't, that's a whole other story tho. I guess ill have to renew this permit "if I even can now" to keep from getting all my stuff taken and to keep me from, well......
     
    I work a contraband room. I'm happy to return property and get it off my inventory as long as I have an order from the judge or a signed release from the clerk of courts to dot all the I's and cross the T's required by my jobs policy and procedure. Give the contraband officer of that department appropriate paper work to get him off the hook and you will get your firearm back. A lawyer will be a big help facilitating this.

    You don't even have to be present if work requires you to be away. I have taken property to our bonded FFL and shipped to FFL of the owners choosing. Just understand that the people outside of the PD operation are private enterprises and they will charge for every step along the way - storage, registered letters informing you they have your gun, transfer, FFL services...you may spend $3-400 to get your $500 gun back.

    Don't fear the PD profiting from the seizure of your firearm. All of ours get chop sawed into tiny pieces that will never be considered a gun again. Fortunately the guys that do this work recognize the gems and catalog them in the reference room. Its neat handling the MP-40's, MP-44's, BARs etc that are either turned in or seized. No offense but your Glock will not be cataloged.
     
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    The real problem here (and I'm sure some aren't going to like it) is that for starters you failed to familiarize yourself with the local laws in the jurisdictions in which you were going to be carrying. Secondly, you and only you let your permit expire. I know you're working and all but if you plan to carry, keep your permit up to date. If you can't renew it leave it at home. To some an expired permit is like not ever having had one at all. Third, on top of everything else, you bring attention to yourself by speeding.

    Be responsible and cognizant of your actions. Do your due diligence when it comes to local laws and ordinances and more than likely you won't have any issues. I understand you were trying to give the officer a courtesy by letting him know about the weapons but in this case I agree with The German, you should have kept your mouth shut, especially since your shit wasn't squared away.

    Either hire a lawyer or go back to the judge and explain your issue. Document every conversation you have with any officials and get names. Good luck.
     
    PGG said:
    that sucks i would fight it on principle. All the best of luck to you
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    Keep my mouth shut? If I would have done that there wouldn't be a chance to get it back. I'm sorry man but I'm not leaving my gun at home, permit or not. I'm not looking for sympathy here, simply asking for advise to get my gun back. The day cops stop carrying their guns loaded will be the day ill stop carrying mine loaded. Ill get my permit renewed when I get time, hopefully in a couple weeks. I'm sorry I sped man but really? I usually drive like a maw maw so it's not like I'm a speed demon every where I go. Also it's not like I had 10 pounds of cocain in the truck..... It's a damn glock! That's not even loaded!

    Maybe I should have kept my mouth shut, I don't know, but I do know that if I am caught with it after I say I don't have it then shit will hit the fan. I had visible gun cases along with NOD's in the passenger seat. There's not much doubt I had weapons in the truck.
     
    Blanchard is small one horse town. Go and see the Sheriff or the local Chief of Police and talk to him. Talk to all the clerks there and so forth they are usually good folks and will tell you how to go about doing it. Just don't trust the folks over in Pawhuska County court house. I bet if you talk nice to one of the ladies out front chocolate goes a long way with some of those old mean ladies they would even go in and get the Judge to sign the release form for you. If you need the name of a Lawyer just walk across the parking lot there is usually one there if you need one. If you decide you need a real Attorney Let me know and I'll PM you a name of a good one "not cheap, but will get the job done kind".
     
    A quick review of the Oklahoma Self-Defense act shows that you may have been in the wrong, though only under the strictest sense.
    I understand why you were carrying it, and I agree you should be allowed to carry a loaded firearm in you car, carry permit or not, but sadly, that is not the case everywhere.
    You did the right thing by declaring the presence of guns, I think the cop was overzealous, but it is a small town and training on legislative updates may be lacking. (not an excuse)

    You should be thankful that the judge was firearm friendly.
    You were cuffed and placed in the car for officer safety. The firearm in question was within reach while you were seated in the vehicle.
    I'm willing to bet that the officer was alone when this happened, you expect him to turn his back on you while he looks for a gun?

    The reason you were not hassled in Texas is because the Penal Code specifically allows you to carry a loaded firearm in your vehicle (it is an extension of your home).

    Most small town evidence lockers are run by the detectives, find out who runs the evidence room.

    Have you spoken with the Chief?
    They have a very small department there, try talking with the chief, if you get no help there, then lawyer up with an OK lawyer.

    Good luck, I hope you get everything squared away.

    ETA: Check with Gun Owners of America, they are an excellent organization and should be on everyones list to contribute to.
     
    Damn bro what a shitty occurrence. On the bright side, it wasn't a 1911, which is what you should have been carrying. If it was a 1911, the officer probably would have asked to handle it, tipped his hat to you, and sent you on your way. He was doing you a favor by removing your plastic firearm from your arsenol. If you get said pistol back, I'd immediately go trade it in on a Wilson Combat 1911 as to avoid these confrontations in the future!

    Just kidding bud. I hope the rest of your arsenol was unmolested.
     
    mikeltee said:
    Damn bro what a shitty occurrence. On the bright side, it wasn't a 1911, which is what you should have been carrying. If it was a 1911, the officer probably would have asked to handle it, tipped his hat to you, and sent you on your way. He was doing you a favor by removing your plastic firearm from your arsenol. If you get said pistol back, I'd immediately go trade it in on a Wilson Combat 1911 as to avoid these confrontations in the future!

    Just kidding bud. I hope the rest of your arsenol was unmolested.
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    If it would have been a Wilson combat 1911 I wouldn't have gotten in any trouble at all! Because I wouldn't have been able to afford my truck so I wouldn't have had a loaded firearm in a vehicle! Lol

    Thanks everyone for the advise. I've talked to the evidence lady and she's also the supervisor of the police department. She's not making things easier at all.... As a matter of a fact she talked over me Everytime I opened my mouth and eventually hung up on me. I was being as nice as I could be but she still lost control of her self and acted like a kid. Her name is leucinda Incase anyone ever has to deal with anyone there, avoid her!

    Ill just get my lawyer to contact her and let her know what they are doing is not right. The sheriff of McLain county said I have a law suit on my hands. He said these exact words. "Son they violated your rights for taking you to jail. Transporting a loaded firearm in the manner as you were is a $70 fine and they should have taken your gun until they proved you were ok to have it. Basically just check to make sure it wasn't stolen and to make sure your not a felon. They should have never taken you to jail, that is NOT a jail able offense at all!" But he said unfortunately that there is nothing he can do about it because its out of his hands. He warned me that they were as crooked as a snake in Blanchard.

    Ill update this as I move on with it. Thanks again every body!
     
    I'm a Pipeliner from LA. I deal with driving thru the "Small" towns. The best thing that you could have done was go under the speed limit. Some of those places make up the rules as they see fit. ( they don't get much traffic) Depending on where in LA you were from I can handle the FFL transfer for you. I'm a gunsmith when I'm not welding and have had my shop in Baton Rouge for 3 years. (it's my retirement plan) shoot me a PM and we'll go from there. Good luck with your efforts. I hope that you get it back without having to do a transfer.
     
    It's just Oklahoma small town cops.
    Difference between them and the guys they lock up is which side of the bars they're on.
    Good luck getting help, but a lawyer is the best bet in your circumstance.
     
    Let it go, don't hold a grudge, just go on about your life. Your permit had expired-you may or may not get it back, but your legal bill will be well in excess of the cost of a used glock-not to mention time off from work. You may have to drive back through that town again. Do I think you should get to keep your gun? Yes, but if I were the chief, your permit had expired, you would not be carrying it in my town, locked in a box, un loaded until gone. Imagine getting caught hunting with an expired license-the warden would not let you continue hunting, in fact the State of Tennessee would own your gun, and maybe your truck, and maybe some jail time. Your a young man-just chalk it up as a lesson learned, go on about making a living.
     
    What's this about transporting a firearm two-steps from firing? I've always been told that (in Louisiana) the vehicle is an extension of the home and a ready-to-fire firearm is perfectly legal when concealed in the car. If I'm wrong....I need to know.....
     
    Why the hell would he not hold a grudge about an over-zealous gun Nazi that violated his civil rights?


    By the way, were you in Missouri, it would have been, "please hand it to me" or "please clear it" so that it was unloaded for the remainder of the traffic stop. In Missouri, it is perfectly legal to carry a loaded firearm in your vehicle without a permit.


    Furthermore, enforcing an unjust law is tyranny. Just because the city or state has an unjust law is no excuse to violate one's civil rights.
     
    pawprint2 said:
    Let it go, don't hold a grudge, just go on about your life. Your permit had expired-you may or may not get it back, but your legal bill will be well in excess of the cost of a used glock-not to mention time off from work. You may have to drive back through that town again. Do I think you should get to keep your gun? Yes, but if I were the chief, your permit had expired, you would not be carrying it in my town, locked in a box, un loaded until gone. Imagine getting caught hunting with an expired license-the warden would not let you continue hunting, in fact the State of Tennessee would own your gun, and maybe your truck, and maybe some jail time. Your a young man-just chalk it up as a lesson learned, go on about making a living.
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    +1

    He already stated that he doesn't care whether his permit is expired or not. He's going to operate outside the law and carry when he wants, where he wants regardless of any regulations set in place. Then when he gets into another jam it will be time to post on the internet again on how it's everyone's fault but his own. Good luck with that attitude.
     
    im a gun shop owner in oklahoma. im not making a plug. but i deal with a lot of leo. im about 45 mins from blanchard pm me and i will exchange numbers and see what i can do.
     
    Slapchop said:
    +1

    He already stated that he doesn't care whether his permit is expired or not. He's going to operate outside the law and carry when he wants, where he wants regardless of any regulations set in place. Then when he gets into another jam it will be time to post on the internet again on how it's everyone's fault but his own. Good luck with that attitude.
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    Wait, before you start growling Mr Sheepdog. Was he carrying that gun? Was it actually unlawful to have the gun where it was? Is it lawful for the law to keep it?
     
    LRI said:
    Wait, before you start growling Mr Sheepdog. Was he carrying that gun? Was it actually unlawful to have the gun where it was? Is it lawful for the law to keep it?
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    Apparently it was unlawful to have it without a permit in Blanchard, OK or where ever it was that he had it taken. Again, had his paperwork been up to date and had he not brought unwanted attention onto himself, none of this would have happened. But in this day and age, its easier to blame everyone else than to accept responsibility for your own actions right?

    I'm not up on Oklahoma law but from what happened I suspect that they view a weapon in a vehicle the same as being on a person, so long as that weapon is in the immediate vicinity, care and control of the vehicle operator. I don't see them releasing this weapon over to the Surgeon as long as his permit stays in an expired state.
     
    it depends if it was one in the pipe or just a loaded clip this is a grey area. ive had a osbi agent and a hipo who gave my conceal carry course specifically say loaded clip in auto is is not the same as one in the pipe. if you told him you had a gun and he took it he was just a rookie or a dick and i don't know how you reacted so always two sides
     
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    From the way you are talking about this, i'm guessing the person you spoke to wasn't the only one with an attitude. Get the paperwork you need and it will be taken care of.

    It might not happen as fast as you like, but you put yourself in that situation, no one else.
     
    Victory said:
    From the way you are talking about this, i'm guessing the person you spoke to wasn't the only one with an attitude. Get the paperwork you need and it will be taken care of.

    It might not happen as fast as you like, but you put yourself in that situation, no one else.
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    Sssshhhh... Bite your tongue, you're using common sense and saying things he and others don't like to hear.
     
    boomer81 said:
    it depends if it was one in the pipe or just a loaded clip this is a grey area. ive had a osbi agent and a hipo who gave my conceal carry course specifically say loaded clip in auto is is not the same as one in the pipe.
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    Oklahoma

    §21-1289.13.
    Transporting A Loaded Firearm
    Except as otherwise provided by the provisions of the Oklahoma Self-Defense Act or another provision of law, it shall be unlawful to transport a loaded pistol, rifle or shotgun in a landborne motor vehicle over a public highway or roadway. However, a rifle or shotgun may be transported clip or magazine loaded and not chamber loaded when transported in an exterior locked compartment of the vehicle or trunk of the vehicle or in the interior compartment of the vehicle notwithstanding the provisions of Section 1289.7 of this title when the person is in possession of a valid handgun license pursuant to the Oklahoma Self-Defense Act.

    He did not have a valid license and the weapon was not in plain view, it was partially concealed. His fault for violating those laws, no one else's.
     
    tylerw02 said:
    Why the hell would he not hold a grudge about an over-zealous gun Nazi that violated his civil rights?


    By the way, were you in Missouri, it would have been, "please hand it to me" or "please clear it" so that it was unloaded for the remainder of the traffic stop. In Missouri, it is perfectly legal to carry a loaded firearm in your vehicle without a permit.


    Furthermore, enforcing an unjust law is tyranny. Just because the city or state has an unjust law is no excuse to violate one's civil rights.
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    Based on the posting of the OK law, it was not a "violation of his rights, nor was it Nazi like", in fact if was a violation of the law, my advice, was and is, to walk away, go on about his life, and don't hold a grudge-and dwell on this, but chalk it up to a learning experience, one that could have gone much worse,,,much worse. For all you know, the DA may have wanted to make a statement regarding out of state drivers coming into his district with loaded weapons without a permit (expired permit is the same as No Permit-try hunting with an expired hunting license) in violation of the OK law. Just let it go, they could still press charges if he wants to start playing the role of Martyr. If his permit was valid, if he wasn't in violation of the OK law, I'd be screaming as loud as anyone, but not in this case. Why not carry a grudge? Answer: Why carry a grudge-it won't get you any where, and in this case it is wrong headed. Regarding your rant about enforcing unjust laws, perhaps you could take a few minutes and list by code just ten unjust laws that you'd like to see changed (remember by code), it sounds as if you have quite a bit of expertise on the subject, how about sharing some of this knowledge with the rest of us?
     
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    Half of you are taking me wrong. What I'm saying is, next time I see lights behind me I just need to throw the mag in the console I guess. No biggie, it was my mistake. I didn't know the cop was gonna barny fife me and throw me in jail over it.

    Someone above mentioned I wouldn't get it back if I don't have a concealed carry permit. What? Who says I have to conceal it when I get it? That comment makes no sense.

    Someone else mentioned I should forget about it.... Really? Just give them my glock? Yea ill "chalk it up" as a lesson learned but I'm getting my property back. Not roll on my back and piss my self like a vagina. If I have to I will spend $5000 to get my $500 gun back. I'm sure there are a few people that stand for their rights just like I will and would do the same. Yea I broke the law, but it's not like I drove through there with my finger out the window. I wasn't up on the gun laws like I should have been and I made a mistake. I won't do it again, lesson learned. But I will get my gun back....
     
    Definitely get your gun back, it just might take a little while until you have the paper work to do that, and screw paying a lawyer to do it for you. Sucks you had a bad experience up here in OK, but usually that isn't the case. Our gun laws are some of the most lenient in the country, and usually most LEO are shooters also and are willing to work with people. Just calm it down, and you will get it back.
     
    This is why Texas rules these days. Load them up, pile them in your car and drive with as many as your car can carry, just keep the handguns out of sight in your car.
    Now 20 years ago things were rather tricky with pistols (Laws written right after the civil war, they didn't want any uppity newly freed slaves packing heat when they were trying to lynch them).
    However the knife laws still suck, I really want to be able to carry my swords, daggers & large knives.
     
    Does anyone here think this guy deserved a night in jail and having to go through this crap to get his gun back?
     
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    Get the release from the judge, then if they continue to hold it, hit them with a stolen handgun report, and let them know you're filing it with the ATF as well.
     
    pawprint2 said:
    Based on the posting of the OK law, it was not a "violation of his rights, nor was it Nazi like", in fact if was a violation of the law, my advice, was and is, to walk away, go on about his life, and don't hold a grudge-and dwell on this, but chalk it up to a learning experience, one that could have gone much worse,,,much worse. For all you know, the DA may have wanted to make a statement regarding out of state drivers coming into his district with loaded weapons without a permit (expired permit is the same as No Permit-try hunting with an expired hunting license) in violation of the OK law. Just let it go, they could still press charges if he wants to start playing the role of Martyr. If his permit was valid, if he wasn't in violation of the OK law, I'd be screaming as loud as anyone, but not in this case. Why not carry a grudge? Answer: Why carry a grudge-it won't get you any where, and in this case it is wrong headed. Regarding your rant about enforcing unjust laws, perhaps you could take a few minutes and list by code just ten unjust laws that you'd like to see changed (remember by code), it sounds as if you have quite a bit of expertise on the subject, how about sharing some of this knowledge with the rest of us?
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    Yes, its a violation of a his rights and there is no reason for him to have to jump through hoops. Did you find any law that said it was an arrestable offense?

    Why would he not hold a grudge for them giving him such a run around reattaining his legally owned property?

    And quite frankly, just because its the law doesn't make it just.
     
    I see somebody is on my side! Thanks Tyler! Thanks everyone else for the advise on everything. The latest is, I have to wait 10 days before we can move forward, ( 10 days from my plea date) because I have 10 days to change my plea. After that I have to prove ownership. That I don't understand because I didn't have to prove ownership for my clothes to be returned to me when I got out of jail..... I can prove ownership tho so no biggie.

    To the guys with a FFL that offered to transfer it for me if I needed, thank you very much for your offer. That's awesome that us gun guys can help each other out when in need. I may take one of you up on the offer when the time comes.
     
    I wonder if there's any LE in this thread that have relied upon or requested "professional courtesy" when being pulled over; that seems like a judgement call, no? Why couldn't this hard working welder been extended a judgement call?
     
    Professional Courtesy defined(In TN anyway)

    This is done through the use of a small rectangle that is black and blue, divided into thirds, with the blue line through the center. It identifies the vehicle as belonging to someone who works for a police force. These vehicles are given the professional courtesy to break traffic laws at will while others are summarily, and quickly pulled over and cited. This type of professional courtesy is currently being fought by everyone. Some are even taking the small tags as vehicles that can be vandalized.

    Professional Courtesy elsewhere: This is usually seen as,"Oh, you are on the job in X? Well sir, that does not give you the right to do as you please here in this area. You are not authorized, and out of your jurisdiction. You would do well to go directly to my office, speak to my commander, and have him call your commander so that we may give you the proper professional courtesy and allow you to do what you need to do" Think of it as Mutual Aid with a very long mileage attachment.
     
    LRI said:
    I wonder if there's any LE in this thread that have relied upon or requested "professional courtesy" when being pulled over; that seems like a judgement call, no? Why couldn't this hard working welder been extended a judgement call?
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    It's unprofessional to request a "Professional Courtesy"....and not to sound like an old man but an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.....Contrary to popular belief it is a privilege to conceal carry a loaded firearm. You may feel that it is your "right", however it is not. Definitely see the judge that saw your case. Request a property release. Make a copy then take it to the PD holding your firearm. Retrieve said firearm. Take this as lesson learned and keep your docs current.
     
    Out here in SoCal my plates are registered through the department and the DMV so if my plates are run it just shows my name and the department that I work with (SDCSO). This may not give the individual special treatment as DEP's, PD's, and Chippys may not always look the other way. While professional courtesy is always an option, it should not give individuals the ability to do whatever they want without repercussions. I still can't get over the idea of the OP that travels with "several" guns while on business and falls to maintain a current permit. You may not like the law but if you intend to carry you need to follow the rules.
     
    oughtsix said:
    What's this about transporting a firearm two-steps from firing? I've always been told that (in Louisiana) the vehicle is an extension of the home and a ready-to-fire firearm is perfectly legal when concealed in the car. If I'm wrong....I need to know.....
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    I was going to ask the same thing. I'm a native of La. now living elsewhere, but even WAY before we had CCW, you could have a loaded, accessible firearm in your car "as an extension of your home" as you stated. I don't think the CCW law in any way negated that.
     
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