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The trigger pull

wwrhodes91

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Alright, so I just had a pretty successful range day today and I was wondering how everyone carries out the trigger pull. Before I got into shooting I would pull the trigger too hard, then I learned to squeeze more gently, but I still don't have a perfect mental image of what exactly a "trigger squeeze" is. I'm sure your trigger pulls and exact break points are pretty well known, so do you tend to take up the creep (If there is any) and then start from that point? Or do you start from zero tension then have a completely fluid pull? I have experimented with a few methods, but none work all that much different from the others. I have had a lot of success trying to completely fool myself for when the trigger would break. The exact moment of fire would be a surprise as I would just gradually increase my tension while keeping my aim. I have also done well with going for a much shorter process. I think my troubles come from the fact that I used to shoot too large of calibers than I should have before developing my form and I have a tendency to resort back to jerking due to anticipated recoil. Also to be more clear, I usually shoot sub .5 moa so I'm not doing bad, I just want to know what the best method is.
Thanks
 
The task is to pull the trigger without moving the rifle utilizing SMOOTH trigger control. Since pulling the trigger is physical while SMOOTH is mental what you want to do as you execute the firing task is to think SMOOTH. Your brain can understand how to get SMOOTH while thinking "squeeze", yank, command detonate, etc. will not be transcribed into an action by the brain as these terms do not express what you want.
 
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Sounds like you've got it with the surprise part. Just keep adding ounces of pressure on the trigger until it breaks. this also gives you time to keep checking your sight picture to make sure you are still exactly where your sights need to be. Unless you are securely anchored down it is hard to maintain a perfectly solid hold on your gun while aiming. A better example of what i'm saying is using pistol instruction training, ie; No one can hold a pistol perfectly still as it is always moving to some degree, usually in a form of circular motion. Try to hold that circle of motion as small as you can while adding pressure to the trigger. Usually one can hold that motion within the area of the bullseye. If so, by slowly adding pressure the shot will break and you will still be in the black. This concept will add points to your score. It's very applicable to firing rifles as well. Hope it helps.
 
Let me throw something else out there...here is the train of thought I was taught when I was in sniper school...

I have had the whole "let the weapon surprise you" thing drilled into my head forever. That is great for teaching newer shooters. But as snipers, we need to know exactly when that round is going to break. SO, I personally like to take out any slack and focus on my smooth press exactly when I want it to break. I'm not much for the surprise thing anymore. Just my 2 cents..

Also, grip has a lot to do with your trigger press. I do not wrap my thumb unless I'm shooting a gas gun. I also use more of a fingertip grip instead of wrapping my fingers around the grip. When you wrap your fingers and thumb around the grip, it causes sympathetic movement - meaning your thumb automatically wants to connect to your index finger. So instead I place my fingertips in the middle of the pistol grip, and it helps me only move the trigger finger during the press. Food for thought, but if you're shooting sub-half groups, you're doing something right.
 
As a crusty Marine Gunner (CWO4, bursting bomb) told me once, "Explaining perfect trigger control is like explaining an orgasm to a virgin. It's impossible to describe...but you'll know when it happens."

Never a truer statement has been made... :)
 
I apparently have some divergent views about this subject.

First, I don't think of it as trigger pull, I think of it as trigger press. Give the two words some thought, and I think you'll get my meaning without further explanation.

Second, I don't apply pressure until the sear breaks, I apply pressure until the trigger contacts its rearward stop. The latter ensures a more complete follow-through. I see shooters popping their heads up, as if to see something downrange (I can't imagine what) immediately as the shot is going off. This is exactly what proper follow-through is intended to prevent, and this also almost guarantees erratic dispersion. In fact, this behavior is at least as prevalent, and as harmful to accuracy, as a full blown flinch. I've seen it over and over in youth marksmanship instruction, and it is one of the behaviors we have to work hardest to correct.

Next, I think that the 'surprise me' mantra is overused. If a shooter is doing all the repetitive shooting and dry firing it actually takes in order to acquire a reasonable working muscle memory required to properly 'know your firearm', such a 'surprise' is essentially impossible to achieve. You know, no bones about it, just when that shot is gonna break. In my case, after competing with the same rifle/trigger for about a dozen years, it becomes an act of will to simply apply and complete the trigger press maneuver without allowing the body to act on its anticipation. The trigger release is the most difficult and nerve-wracking process I face every time I fire in comp.

If you can't call your shot, the odds are you're anticipating the break. As instructors, one of the things we watch most closely is the shooter's aiming eye. Without exception, when the eye closes that instant before the break, instead of the instant just after, the shooter is anticipating. From that point, it is essentially a given that the shooter is forcing the break, tensing, and throwing the shot wide of the POA.

Knowing when the break is imminent is the most destructive detriment to proper trigger release and followthrough. But assuming that we can always fool ourselves into believing we can engineer a surprise can be true for some, and fiction for others. This may be an inconvenient fact, but it is a fact nonetheless.

I shoot with support (sometimes a rest, sometimes a bipod) and a rear bag, invariably from a bench; my old bod cannot endure a complete course of fire in the prone anymore. I don't grasp the grip, but either pinch the trigger with forefinger and thumb against the rear of the trigger guard, or I rest my thumb immediately behind the receiver on the grip, centered left/right on the grip. Aside from a gentle/snug contact of shoulder and rifle butt, and a light cheek contact with a carefully adjusted cheek rest, these two digits are all that touches the rifle. The rifle is reset against the forward stop of the rest, or preloaded into the bipod, with the rear bag repositioned to the same relationship with the butt stock before commencing each shot check-through cycle. The intention is to try and ensure that the forces involved in operating the trigger are running parallel to the bore axis, and that each recoil cycle begins from the same relationship.

I am learning to use a new Caldwell Fire Control Rest, with a joystick position adjuster. It has some benefits, but it's not any kind of panacea, in case anyone was considering one. I like the joystick adjustment feature, but I don't count on it to do more than keep up with bag settling during the course of fire. The forward stop is the most beneficial new feature I've gained with with it.

It is only with consistency that a consistently repetitive POI can be established and maintained. When I can see shot after shot stacking, just slightly enlarging the same bullet hole at 250yd, I know that whoever that shooter is, they have mastered the competitive trigger break process.

Greg
 
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When I'm shooting well, the trigger pull is best described as a deliberate accident. The rifle shoots itself as much as I shoot it. It's neither a surprise, nor is it a fully conscious decision.
 
Also to be more clear, I usually shoot sub .5 moa so I'm not doing bad, I just want to know what the best method is.
Some observations about the comments made so far:

If you are shooting sub-.5 MOA I'm not sure that I can help you. Maybe you should be helping me.

If you consciously think about a trigger technique, like saying 'smooth' to yourself for example, you will put much emphasis on the nature of the pull itself. That may work for ARs, which have a long and mushy trigger pull to overcome, and it does prevent a new shooter from jerking the trigger, but at the expense of having a technique that works well for anything but a single trigger/single discipline. That won't work for all purposes for bolt guns.

Forget pistol technique. The 'compressed surprise-break' idea is a child of the 80's. It's not really a rifle technique - not beyond 35 yards anyway.

We all anticipate the break. Some people dial their flinch. It works, if the flinch is consistent.

Yes, I know when the rifle is going to fire.

If you are explaining an orgasm to a virgin you are doing it wrong.
 
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OP,

What is it that you want to accomplish? You want to pull the trigger without moving the rifle. How do you pull the trigger without moving the rifle? You pull the trigger smoothly. How do you pull the trigger smoothly? You simply think, SMOOTH as you pull. That's it. Don't make it hard, it's not. You just need to give the brain instructions for what it is you want to accomplish rather than avoid. It's why you don't remind yourself that you don't want to jerk the trigger, or not miss the target. That sort of thinking will get you the opposite result you wanted, since the brain only stores the action word, jerk or miss.

Most everything about good shooting is mental. Always focus on what it is you want to accomplish rather than pondering the error. Think of what you did to get your shots where desired instead of thinking about why shots did not go where desired. Who knows why shots did not go where desired. The only thing we know for sure is that shots went where the barrel was pointed. With this in mind, we understand that to hit where aimed we only need to master consistent execution of the two firing tasks. Consistent execution of the two firing tasks is accomplished by utilizing natural relationships between shooter, gun, and ground.
 
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OP,

Not moving the sights while pulling the trigger is the goal for accuracy with any firearm. That's what all the books say. But that tells me nothing about how to do it. It's like giving advice to a racer that lap times are all about throttle control. Well.... No shit. But how, exactly, can I improve my throttle control?

As an instructor I need to know why the shots did not go where the barrel was pointed because the student expects me to explain to him what happened and provide a method by which to correct or to accomplish the task.

The relationship between gun, shooter and ground have nothing to do with trigger pull. What is unique about the task of pulling the trigger is that you can trade a less than ideal position for a proper trigger pull, and come out ahead between the two of them.

The mental aspect of pulling the trigger requires properly training one's brain to recognize the instant of correct sight alignment, then consciously or unconsciously sending the signal to the body to start the pull (depending on the technique used). The pull itself is not consciously done. Sufficient repetition of a correct pull while dry-firing will provide the technical competence necessary for the body to unconsciously complete the pull when that signal is sent. That's how it's done. And that's why one needs to start with learning the body mechanics of a correct pull. Without that, simply saying a word to yourself will do nothing for you.
 
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First off the beginner has no business fooling with a loaded rifle until he/she masters the hold/let off.

You practice with an empty rifle until the trigger can be "pulled, squeezed, pressed" (choose your own term) with out any movement of the muzzle, not flicker, bob, or what ever that moves the sight off the target.

Faithful practice with an empty rifle will train your mind to take up 80-90% of the pressure of the trigger, the remaining 10-20% is taken up as the sights move onto the target, if it passes through the target, back off, do it again.

You're training your brain. At the early stages of your learning the trigger it may take 30 seconds to train your brain the force necessary to make the hammer fall (careful not to introduce fatigue which will give you a false reading of the weight of the trigger).

Gradually the time can be shortened as the brain learns the force necessary to apply 80-90% of the pressure required.

You can't do this with a loaded gun, you'll be anticipating the shot instead of the hammer fall. Remember you're training your brain to use the trigger, you're not shooting.

To learn proper trigger control you need to get off your belly, get off the bench, stand on your hind legs and dry fire concentrating on keeping your sights on the target during trigger movement. If you're dry firing you can train your brain, if you are shooting, your brain is going to try to rush the shot during last 10-20% of trigger movement prior to let off.
 
Faithful practice with an empty rifle will train your mind to take up 80-90% of the pressure of the trigger, the remaining 10-20% is taken up as the sights move onto the target, if it passes through the target, back off, do it again.... Gradually the time can be shortened as the brain learns the force necessary to apply 80-90% of the pressure required.
Kraig,

Fair play on the rest of it, but no way am I taking-up pressure on the trigger until my sights are on target. Legally, I can't do that. And for all practical purposes neither I nor my brain have any idea how much 80% or 90% of my trigger weight is.
 
Kraig,

Fair play on the rest of it, but no way am I taking-up pressure on the trigger until my sights are on target. Legally, I can't do that.

I guess I should have made my self more clear, you line up on the target and start your trigger squeeze, then as your sights get on the bull you finish. Or the center of what ever target you're shooting if it doesn't have a bulls eye. I wrongly assumed that people understood that.

And for all practical purposes neither I nor my brain have any idea how much 80% or 90% of my trigger weight is.

That is the whole point of the exercise, to teach your brain what is 80-90% of the target.
 
That may (or may not) work for a particular type of paper target in a particular discipline.

But my brain is otherwise occupied when I am giving orders and seeking cover. That, and also when I am busy seeking the 'natural relationship between body and ground', otherwise known to me as keeping my head down.
 
Its the concept of training, building muscle memory, you don't learn muscle memory in a fire fight, you learn it at home, on the range, while training, just like every other aspect of combat.

Then when the chips are down, you don't have to think about it, its natural, its muscle memory.

This is why we train instead of just jumping in and hoping for the best. A firefight is not the place to learn to shoot.
 
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A firefight is not the place to learn to shoot.

Agreed.

Unfortunately, the training I received in USMC ITR in 1966 addressed the wrong principles (they always train us for the last war...), and covered it all so shallowly, that we might as well have been learning how to shoot for the first time in our first firefight. Whatever it was we were needing to know, it sure as Hell wasn't what they had taught us...

This contributed to the overall general sense that a trooper wasn't completely worth their salt until they had weathered their first ambush.

So what did we learn in those first few ambushes? A lot, I can't honestly quantify it after lo these intervening nearly 50 years, but it must have been the right stuff since I'm still here to type about it.

One thing for sure, if your survival strategy hinges on luck it's a really bad one, and another thing for sure, if you don't have luck, you have no business in a firefight. Firefights are probably equally about training and luck, and all I can say is that if there is a perfect way to train for them, it has so far eluded me.

Greg
 
(they always train us for the last war...),

I remember those days from basic in '66. Many drill sgts were left over from Korea. They tried to train us for that war.

Luckily when I got to Vietnam and the 101st the took us out for a week learning jungle warfare, a lot different then what was taught in basic.

Nothing changes, they do that today, and they've been doing it from the first wars.

Some things from Vietnam would work today. I'd like to see some Agent Orange on the poppy fields in Afghan.
 
I agree, spray the poppy, but this time lt the boots know it's coming. Of course we all know the big cash crop is ( off limits ) .