Going to try a 'new ammo' sampling with 22LR - Lapua Results; Weird Conclusion on Data

[TheGerman]

Have been mainly shooting Wolf Target at 100-150 yards and can hold the 1 inch group at 100 with it. Wanted to see if I could do better consistently with other ammo as the only thing I've run down the barrel so far was that shitty Olin .mil surplus stuff. Was thinking of grabbing 2 boxes of 50 of each of these and wanted to know if I was missing any (which I'm sure I am, but have to deal with whats in stock):

RWS R-50
Eley Tenex
Eley Edge
Federal GMM
SK Rifle Match
SK Standard
Lapua Center X
Eley/Remington EPS

Any guesses on how these will fare?

 

[Nathan11B]

My choice for top performers out of that group you have assembled would be: 1) Tenex 2) Center X 3) Rifle Match By SK 4) Edge or RWS R-50 5) SK Standard will edge out Eley/Rem 6) Federal GMM 7) Eley/Remington. If you can pick up some Eley Club it's proved very accurate out of my 22.

What you're gonna end up doing is finding a specific ammo then searching for the best lot in that ammo and buying as much as you can afford. I'd honestly The bigger the selection the better, but that all depends on much time you want to spend testing the different ammo brands. Out of the group you have there maybe a sleeper so don't be to surprised if one of the less costs out performs the higher end. Good luck and as always have fun shooting.

 

[lawman29]

Ditto on the Ely Club. I have a Remington 40-x and a Martini BSA International Mark II and they both like it alot. However, you should buy at least one box of Tenex (I've resisted I don't want to know...). Lapua now owns SK it's their lower end line (Midas is Lapua's top of the line). I've tried SK Standard plus, mine didn't like it. Federal 711B shot okay in the Martini.

 

[armorpl8chikn]

Lapua Midas is NOT Lapua's top of the line...X-Act is the top of the line. Good luck trying Eley past 100yds. RWS makes good ammo but I have not had luck with finding a great long range lot of R-50, Federal 922A and Ultramatch comes directly from the R-50 line at RWS and some lots have proven phenominal at longer ranges but I have not seen a lot that would perform great in quite some time. I would stay away from the Lapua offerings not worth the money in my opinion

 

[rottenit]

This test was done at 50 but has interesting results:

MNGunTalk.com ? View topic - Vetting Rimfire Ammo for the Savage MKII

 

[Merlin O]

Lapua Center X has been very satisfactory. Actually have not tried it in any gun where it did not shoot well.

 

[armorpl8chikn]

Not true. Lapua Center X is junk, at least the stuff they are making right now. I am sure that as more Center X shows up "IN STOCK" more often the stuff will actually improve in quality. If I were you guys I wouldn't buy any right now. They are making it fast as they can and as such quality is terrible. ( Hey everyone else can foment shit theories )

If your ammo will be used at 100yds then TEST IT AT 100. If it will be used at 50, test at 50. If it will be used at 200, you guessed it, test at 200. I know it has been a while since I told you all this, but when my 22lr shooting became an every month affair, this tidbit is the FIRST thing I learned the hard way. Testing ammo at 50 and calling it good at 200 is one hell of a mistake. If you need to use the ammo, like me at all ranges between 57 and 210yds with occasional 240-300yd side matches, then make sure you test at maximum range before you determine the best overall ammo. I have found that you can live with a little less accurate ammo at 50 if it is more consistent and accurate at 200.

 

[Merlin O]

Center X works well in my guns.. As I stated. Can't comment on how it works with others as I have no first hand knowledge.

 

[teamr2]

Center X works very well in my VQ Superlite. Also have had good success with Eley Club & Subsonic as well as the RWS offerings. Not real fond of the lube on the RWS but I wipe it off and they feed very well and are my most accurate load out past 100 yards. Another load that will produce crazy small groups for what it is, is Winchester 40gr. subsonic. I bough a pile when it was everywhere for $3/ box and use it for hunting. Good luck.

 

[TheGerman]

One other thing, as I mentioned I've pretty much only shit Wolf Match down the barrel. With all these other ammo types, do I need to clean the barrel or do anything special for them as some may be lubed, and some not? Or just shoot and not worry about it?

 

[Geno C.]

I usually clean my barrels when I am switching ammo for testing purposes. If I am just switching for another reason, I understand there is going to be some incompatibility and just shoot.

 

[lawman29]

Testing try to keep conditions the same; no wind and a cloudy/overcast/early morning (no mirage...), difficult in Cody, when doesn't the wind blow and we have great sunshine. Regarding cleaning, yes understand several rounds down the tube until it settles in, with the following caveat. Within certain manufactures lines the different labels are really the same ammo. For example; Ely Tenex, Match and Team are really the "same" ammo, beeswax lube, run a batch, test batch and depending on how it performs determines the label for a particular batch (from their web site) so you could test all three at the same time without being concerned about cleaning. I'm guessing that Club vs Target/sport same thing (same lube paraffin and velocity). Probably the same could be said for Wolf Extra vs Target, SK Rifle Match vs Standard Plus, Federal UM22 vs 922A, Lapua Xact? vs Midas vs Centerx, RWS? There are some experts out there who should be able to answer this question more definitively.

 

[RicosRevenge]

One other thing, as I mentioned I've pretty much only shit Wolf Match down the barrel. With all these other ammo types, do I need to clean the barrel or do anything special for them as some may be lubed, and some not? Or just shoot and not worry about it?

Clean the snot out of your barrel every time you switch ammo. Just realize that it will take anywhere from 25-50 rounds of the new ammo for your barrel to recover so don't just pick up one box of each... 2 at least (I know, some of the stuff you mentioned is relatively expensive).

It is impossible for ANYONE here to give you expectations of what ammo your particular rifle will like best... but, they can point you in the direction of the better (read: more consistent) ammo being produced. Every rifle/barrel will like what it wants... even 2 "identical" rifles may like different ammo. I shoot R-50. That is what my 40X likes best; but that doesn't mean every rifle will like it. My 10/22 loved Eley Match (or rim gauge sorted Eley Club) but the R-50 opened up to twice the size with the R-50. I wasn't lucky enough to have a rifle that liked Wolf... but some here have rifles that eat it happily and are able to save cash.

 

[mrspradlin]

The only real way to find out what works best for you is buy and test or send the rifle to either Darrell At the LAPUA rimfire test center in Mesa AZ or to Dan at the ELEY test center at Killough shooting sports.
I can tell you what works in my rifle and it may or may not work in your rifle.

 

[armorpl8chikn]

How many times must I post this:
RWS offerings, specifically: Rifle Match, R-50, Subsonic,Target, Federal 922A, Fed Ultramatch. These all use the very same lube unless they changed in the last year.
Lapua offerings, hold on to your hat: Wolf MT and ME, SK(all), Center-X, MIdas+, X-act, all same head stamp, all same lube.
Eley; I can only assume that the higher end ammos have the same lube, the shit that isn't actually made by Eley would be suspect as far as lube, pretty sure Eley sport is made by Aguilla or Centurion, south of the border pretty sure.

IF you stay within your ammo lube type, play all you like without cleaning. If you are unsure then clean. If you switch ammo...by all means clean. I am not going to delve into the lower grade ammo lubes. If you are using bulk none of this matters.

 

[lawman29]

Below is a link to a rim fire ammo test in 2010 posted on accurateshooter

.22 LR Ammunition Accuracy ? 55 Ammo Types Tested « Daily Bulletin

 

[TheGerman]

Got out and tried Wolf Match (the usual), SK Standard Plus and Federal GMM.

I keep hearing the SK stuff is exactly the same as the Wolf Match and it looks that way. Same headstamp, same color projectile, same lube, same everything. However, I noticed that they smell different when being shot. Not sure if its just me or what, but in testing them against each other today I 100% of the time shot better groups with the Wolf at right around +-1 inch at 100 yards. I was shrinking them towards the end, and with the SK could never get below an inch.

Federal GMM was shit. 2+ inch groups and 1 group had the LARGEST flyer I've ever seen in my life. It was underpowered, flew about 5 inches low and 4 inches to the left (into the wind!); watched it the entire way and in slow motion saw it leave and just stray away from my reticle like a frisbee in the wind.

I have some Eley Edge, Tenex, Lapua Midas, RWS R50, RWS R100 on the way so far and looking for others as I poke around.

Anyone have 1-2 boxes of Wolf Match Extra they want to trade/sell for this test? Have always been curious but never got around to getting any.

 

[mrspradlin]

TheGerman,
Here is a little information on rimfire ammo that might be interesting to you.
I sent my newest rimfire benchrest rifle to the LAPUA Rimfire Test Center in Mesa AZ for some testing. They test at 50 meters and 100 meters with electronic targets. You can see where each shot lands at each distant.
We tested everything they had from SK rifle match to ACT-X and when I say everything I mean every single lot of each make, model and brand of rimfire ammo they had at the center.
Now when we tested we noticed the rifle tended to like a specific velocity range over others. So out of 20+ lots of SK rifle match 4 lots were good and out of about 9 lots of Midas + 2 lots were good. We tested each make, model, lot by shooting 10 shot groups out of many tests we found 4 lots I really liked at 50 meters (I only shoot 50yd BR) then we tested each of the 4 lots by shooting 50 shot groups from a new box from the case not near the brick of ammo we did the initial test with. By shooting the 50 shot groups we were able to see the number of flyers per box of 50 rounds.

Send me a PM and I will let you know what ammo I have that didnt work in my rifles just sitting around.

 

[thejeep]

CCI green tag

 

[TheGerman]

Did a partial Round 1 of all Eley ammo testing today, this is the first half of the Eley testing. I had with me:

Tenex
Edge
Match
Club

and in the next few days will have some Eley pistol Standard and Eley Team.

Here is how we did today:

Cleaned the bore thoroughly before going out as I was shooting mainly Wolf the last few times out, so the barrel was cleaned out. Knowing this would probably have some negative impact on initial accuracy, I shot the Eley Club first and then circled back to it after shooting everything else once. All courses off fire were at 100 yards, with 5 5 shot groups, 104 degrees at 5500 feet with an average 2-3 MPH wind and the occasional 10-12 gust. (in order of rounds shot):

Eley Club - Initial string of 5 held at right over 1 inch to 1.25. Was a little sporatic as I would shoot a .8 group and then a 1.3 group the next 5. I didn't bother keeping the results for this first set of strings as I would shoot it again later.
Eley Edge - Winner for the day by far; 1.290 first group due to a cold bore (let sit 15 minutes as I got a phone call) that opened it up. The next 4 consecutive groups were .630, .984, .964, .875 for an overall average .948. The CB group really increased this average; toss that group and the average is .86
Eley Match - Not impressed at all. There were 2 fliers that I noticed right off as the reticle was somewhere completely different than where the round flew when the shot broke. 1.269, .920, 1.635, 1.409, 1.80 for an overall average of 1.40.
Eley Tenex - This surprised me, as I was thinking this would be the best or very close. Turned out I shoot Wolf Match better. 1.14, 1.39, 1.19, 1.23, .987 for an average of 1.18
Eley Club Round 2 - Much better. Obviously the bore being fouled helped this out as the initial groups were not too bad but nothing special. .988, .891, 1.12, 1.19, 1.07 for an average of 1.05.

More Eley testing coming soon and I will re-run a few groups of each just to see if anything changes now that I have some good data.

After Eley I have RWS R50, FGMM 922A, Aguila Match (forgot the name, the 'premium' stuff) that I am firing together, and then finally Wolf Match Target, Wolf Match Extra, SK Standard Plus and Lapua Midas.

 

[armorpl8chikn]

I would be curious about Eley results just a bit farther than 100yds, especially if you plan to use it at further distances. I have had great results from Eley at 100yds, only to have evrything with that name take a shit at 200yds. Not telling you your business, but if you ever plan to take it beyond 100yds you better test it at maximum range before you settle on a particular ammo and buy a pile of that lot of ammo. Take it from someone who has been there, you could end up very disappointed.

The "premium" stuff, I had no idea Aquilla made any premium stuff, and I have tried it all.

 

[rideHPD]

I know Aguila loads Eley Sport; is this the same as the premium Aguila? That stuff shoots red-hot out of my 40x or average. Really hit or miss with it, but I have shot some boxes that are .3-.4 MOA at 50Y and others that were 2 MOA. Really sporadic but some of the best performances I've had. Too bad they don't list the lot number for the sport.

German, you almost mirrored my thoughts and experiences with Match and Tenex exactly. I get much better results with other ammo than I get with Match, surprisingly so. Even with a mixed-wax barrel Wolf MT and SK Std. + have been my best so far, despite my rifle being chambered specifically for Eley Match with an Anschutz chamber, and it being the ammo suggested by the smith who barreled it.

I plan to redo my testing with your listed ammo barrage, properly cleaning between waxes this time, but with multiple lots of Eley Match. Check out Killough Shooting Sports, they have a couple different lots in stock that you can find on their site. I'm hoping a different lot of Match does better and/or I find something that works well for a good price.

 

[Defusion]

Eley match worked pretty well for me. Average was 1.08 moa, best group something like .6 if I remember correctly. (with a cz455 varmint.)
Remember that tenex is exactly the same stuff as match, that batch just didn't pass the accuracy test in their barrel.
As we all know, all barrels are different, but if yours doesn't like one, it probably wont like the other either.

ps. which rifle are you using? just to calibrate my expectations of my cz.

 

[TheGerman]

eley match worked pretty well for me. Average was 1.08 moa, best group something like .6 if i remember correctly. (with a cz455 varmint.)
remember that tenex is exactly the same stuff as match, that batch just didn't pass the accuracy test in their barrel.
As we all know, all barrels are different, but if yours doesn't like one, it probably wont like the other either.

Ps. Which rifle are you using? Just to calibrate my expectations of my cz.

cz 455 vpt

 

[TheGerman]

I would be curious about Eley results just a bit farther than 100yds, especially if you plan to use it at further distances. I have had great results from Eley at 100yds, only to have evrything with that name take a shit at 200yds. Not telling you your business, but if you ever plan to take it beyond 100yds you better test it at maximum range before you settle on a particular ammo and buy a pile of that lot of ammo. Take it from someone who has been there, you could end up very disappointed.

The "premium" stuff, I had no idea Aquilla made any premium stuff, and I have tried it all.

It's this stuff, nothing fantastic but had it and was going to try it. Couldn't remember the name : Aguila Match Rifle Ammo 22 Long Rifle 40 Grain Lead Round Nose Box of

I'll shoot it to 200 but this test at 100 is a good starting point as if I am shooting a 1.5 inch group at best already at 100, it isn't getting any better at 200. The only benefit would be more velocity, but I've kept track of where the rounds have landed as far as elevation based on my starting zero and the 'highest' so far is ironically the Eley Edge. Anything that isn't discarded from testing now moves on to round 2 at further distance once all brands are tested at 100; this is why I didn't plan to stick with just 1 manufacturer.

 

[TheGerman]

Did the 2nd (final) round for Eley today more or less to confirm some results and just see if anything changed, or rather stayed the same during another range session.

I only bothered keeping full data for Edge, Tenex and Club. Match, Pistol and Team started to taper further off and were no longer worth keeping; Match was actually the worst as well as numbers of failures to feed.

So far, Edge is AVERAGING .873 for 5 shot groups at 100 yards from prone.

Brand Date Shot Group Size Distance Temperature Elevation Comments
AVG 0.8730833333
Edge 08/15/13 1.29 100 95 5543 Cold Bore Opened the group; 4 after were .859
Edge 08/15/13 0.63 100 95 5543
Edge 08/15/13 0.984 100 95 5543
Edge 08/15/13 0.964 100 95 5543
Edge 08/15/13 0.875 100 95 5543
Edge 08/21/13 1.214 100 83-91 5543
Edge 08/21/13 0.51 100 83-91 5543
Edge 08/21/13 0.865 100 83-91 5543
Edge 08/21/13 0.461 100 83-91 5543
Edge 08/21/13 1.05 100 83-91 5543
Edge 08/21/13 0.677 100 83-91 5543
Edge 08/21/13 0.957 100 83-91 5543


Brand Date Shot Group Size Distance Temperature Elevation
AVG 1.17525
Tenex 08/15/13 1.14 100 95 5543
Tenex 08/15/13 1.39 100 95 5543
Tenex 08/15/13 1.19 100 95 5543
Tenex 08/15/13 1.23 100 95 5543
Tenex 08/15/13 0.987 100 95 5543
Tenex 08/21/13 1.444 100 83-91 5543
Tenex 08/21/13 0.915 100 83-91 5543
Tenex 08/21/13 1.106 100 83-91 5543

Brand Date Shot Group Size Distance Temperature Elevation
AVG 1.1379090909
Club 08/15/13 0.988 100 95 5543
Club 08/15/13 0.891 100 95 5543
Club 08/15/13 1.12 100 95 5543
Club 08/15/13 1.19 100 95 5543
Club 08/15/13 1.07 100 95 5543
Club 08/21/13 0.974 100 83-91 5543
Club 08/21/13 1.424 100 83-91 5543
Club 08/21/13 1.662 100 83-91 5543
Club 08/21/13 1.028 100 83-91 5543
Club 08/21/13 1.41 100 83-91 5543
Club 08/21/13 0.76 100 83-91 5543

Next week will be:

Wolf Match
Wolf Match Extra
Lapua Midas +
SK Standard Plus

still looking for 50-100 rounds of Center X but no luck. If anyone wants to trade some Eley (any type) for some Center X, let me know.

 

[jbell]

I just ordered a brick of Center-X from Champions Choice on Sunday and it was back ordered by Tuesday I had a tracking #. We will see if it actually has shipped. If I were you place an order with Champ Choice for at least 500 (they are only $10 per box) and give C-X a good shake down. For the $ I have not found anything as good. I do get the rare flyer at distance (100y to 230y) but its rare. I shot a 10 round string at a 3" target at 230y the other day and was able to keep 9 out of 10 inside the target with 1 round breaking the edge. I know its not record breaking but I was happy with that. Now armorpl8chikn may be correct that the latest lots may be crap, only time will tell but I hope not. Good luck in the search...

 

[cjd223]

Wolf and SK Plus are made by Lapua, but are run on a separate line from the rest of the Lapua ammo. All ammo must be Lot tested. I have several Lots of Team and Match that will easily shoot 1/2" or better at 100 yds. I have one Lot of Center-X that three of my rifles like OK - 64MPR, 2007/Lilja and 1808/Shilen. Two other Lots of Center-X that I tested stunk. I have some test Lots coming next week of Midas +. Bottom line is I keep going back to Eley Match. Forgot to mention that none of my rifles shoot Edge very well. I have tested 3 Lots. One Lot, 30098, shoots well in my wife's Walther KKM-UIT. It will not even chamber in my 2007 or 1808.
Keeping 10 rounds in a 3" target at that distance is good. My better Lots will go under 2" at 200 yds. Wind is the big killer though.

 

[jbell]

It is just crazy how these 22lr are so picky on what you feed them. I must be lucky as I have shot at least 7 different lots # of the Center-X and all have been good to me (with my rifle). I have also seen a friends Lilja barreled 455 eat several different lot #s well also. So YMMV is the big thing with the rimfires. I guess its what keeps this game interesting.

Thanks for the comment on the 10 round string. I just had 10 left over and was tired of shooting offhand at that range so I layed down and let em rip. However I am not sure if I could do much better. My gun is pretty damn good at 50 to 100 but much more than that she opens up some...

 

[yoteman]

It is just crazy how these 22lr are so picky on what you feed them. I must be lucky as I have shot at least 7 different lots # of the Center-X and all have been good to me (with my rifle). I have also seen a friends Lilja barreled 455 eat several different lot #s well also. So YMMV is the big thing with the rimfires. I guess its what keeps this game interesting.

Thanks for the comment on the 10 round string. I just had 10 left over and was tired of shooting offhand at that range so I layed down and let em rip. However I am not sure if I could do much better. My gun is pretty damn good at 50 to 100 but much more than that she opens up some...

J, i am sure you already know this, ( have read many of you posts), but others may not. for 50 to 100 yrds most lot# we try do ok, for TSC match, but at 156 an 211 yrds is were we see big change in lot# of center x. ex 6 mpr annies an cz all do not shoot the same at longer distance with same lot#, i have shot 4 wittness groups at 211yrd 5 shots you can cover with a quater . same ammo different lot# an POW 5 inch group, not bragging on me but on equipment, because others have shot my rifle an lot# an same thing happen, so that tells everyone its not me but the rifle lot# i am sure you have tried different lots of center x out to 200yrds an hope you get the same group size. that my friend is a keeper rifle, congrats wished i had it would save me a lot of money. no pun if you want to get rid of it shoot me a pm

 

[jbell]

I should have been more clear (sometimes I can be confusing). My findings are like you said very consistent at 50-100yds but I mainly just shoot pieces of broken clays or positional (at larger targets) at longer range. I don't shoot groups at 230yds often. However I have seen MOAish (depending on the conditions) with a few different lots for 5 to 10 shot groups when I do shoot the rare group at that range. I don't shoot Center-X because it is the most accurate out of my rifle but rather because its the best bang for my $. I shoot my 22 when I have nothing else to shoot or am waiting on a benchrest match to end so I am usually on our rimfire range which is 50yds. So if I can spend $10 per box on ammo that is consistent lot to lot holding 3/8-1/4 moa (which is a challenge for me to hold that prone over a long string) I feel that I am getting good quality training.

I do wish I lived close to you guys in NC so I could try some of your matches they sound like a blast! I was hoping to be able to move down next year but it is looking like I may be staying closer to the Artic Circle for a while longer (I miss the south land, I grew up in north GA)...

 

[armorpl8chikn]

The Chikn is being VERY sarcastic about there being anything wrong with Center X or any Lapua product. I just don't want you guys buying up all MY ammo!
There are some "average" lots of Center X out there, but you need to keep what I say in perspective and look at what I ask my ammo to do from month to month. I literally need my 22 ammo to shoot like handloaded match centerfire, that is a tall order from ANY rimfire manufacturer. After my performance so far this year I can't say enough good things about Lapua, now I am being honest, and don't take it to heart too much, doesn't mean your rifle will like the stuff. If your rifle LOVES Wolf all I can tell you is you got a great lot number. I have seen some great lots of Wolf and I have seen some that wouldn't beat Federal bulk.

Was really looking forward to you moving back to the mother land JB. I would say our matches in NC as a whole will be worth the move.

 

[yoteman]

I should have been more clear (sometimes I can be confusing). My findings are like you said very consistent at 50-100yds but I mainly just shoot pieces of broken clays or positional (at larger targets) at longer range. I don't shoot groups at 230yds often. However I have seen MOAish (depending on the conditions) with a few different lots for 5 to 10 shot groups when I do shoot the rare group at that range. I don't shoot Center-X because it is the most accurate out of my rifle but rather because its the best bang for my $. I shoot my 22 when I have nothing else to shoot or am waiting on a benchrest match to end so I am usually on our rimfire range which is 50yds. So if I can spend $10 per box on ammo that is consistent lot to lot holding 3/8-1/4 moa (which is a challenge for me to hold that prone over a long string) I feel that I am getting good quality training.

I do wish I lived close to you guys in NC so I could try some of your matches they sound like a blast! I was hoping to be able to move down next year but it is looking like I may be staying closer to the Artic Circle for a while longer (I miss the south land, I grew up in north GA)...

J was not aiming at you, trust me the chikn would head slap me (just one time).if i did, only stating. what i have seen at the range. for others.
maybe i road trip back to ol south will be in ur future, as far as the match apache an chikn put on one of the most fun shoots i have been to in many years
dont let chikn trick ya,ll center x is waste of time, JUNK!!! if any one has any i will help you out, an buy it, i am just that nice of guy

 

[jbell]

LMAO, I get the joke. I was scratching my head a little and just thought my shooting partner and I were getting lucky. I used to shoot Midas L back in the day along with Eley Ultimate EPS and found that the Lapua was more consistent lot to lot. Which is why when I got back into rimfire I went with the C-X. I had a specific ammo price point to make it worth not shooting my centerfires and the C-X fit the bill and gave me accuracy pretty darn close to the ammo that cost 2X as much. But it seems that at longer range I am just going to keep with area targets and unsupported positions (that's where the fun is at any way).

FWIW guys you comments didn't bother me so no worries there, I have very thick skin. I also appreciate any intel from others research on the subject of shooting and pay very close attention. I just was scratching my head on this one. Keep the good intel coming, I hope the OP don't mind the slight hijack.

If I ever do get to make a road trip back to the mother land I will definitely give you guys a shout and try to hit a match or at least burn some powder. Thank you for the offer!

 

[yoteman]

German sorry about jack on your thread, but will be looking foward to ur results on SK, an Wolf, I am also looking for a cheaper ammo, to keep trigger finger lose, in my CZ455, not my match rifle, already found mojo lot# for the MPR, an lucky to have 3 bricks, for upcoming year.The info that you have taken ur time to test,will be noted an thank you

 

[TheGerman]

German sorry about jack on your thread, but will be looking foward to ur results on SK, an Wolf, I am also looking for a cheaper ammo, to keep trigger finger lose, in my CZ455, not my match rifle, already found mojo lot# for the MPR, an lucky to have 3 bricks, for upcoming year.The info that you have taken ur time to test,will be noted an thank you

No problem, stay tuned sometime after this Wednesday. Was actually just thinking I needed to clean the barrel for the test this week. Luckily I have around 10k of Wolf Match so I can run those groups first and then circle back around to it at the end again.

 

[jbell]

Can you still get Wolf Match Gold? That stuff used to be very good. It seems like it just dropped off the face of the planet. I am also looking forward to your results, I enjoy the piss out of test like this...

 

[TheGerman]

Today's testing was (Round 1 of 2 for these):

Wolf Match
Wolf Match Extra
Lapua Midas +
SK Standard Plus

From the results so far including the Eley testing, I am starting to wonder if I either A. haven't found the true sweet spot round yet or B. am at/close to the total accuracy limit of my rifle; is this plausible from the data?. If you look at the overall group averages so far for the Lapua group as well as the Eley, while some rounds seem more capable of smaller groups (mainly, less flyers) it seems it evens out in the end regardless with most larger groups being due to 1 round opening it up rather than a larger string yet still averaging almost the same. I only call shots flyers when I clearly see them fly a different arc or direction than where the reticle is or if they would be pushed by the wind.

If you look at the averages, so far the lowest is the Eley Edge at .873 while the largest of the rounds I did not discard due to poor performance is Eley Tenex at 1.175. That's only .302 difference between high and low averages encompassing 10 different rounds. Any thoughts on this?

I am almost to the point where I am thinking I just need to get a Lilja barrel and re-run the test with it unless I come across something that is consistently lower than the current averages.

Here is today's data:

Brand Date Shot Group Size Distance Temperature Elevation Comments
AVG 0.9752222222
Wolf Target 08/28/13 1.061 100 92 5543
Wolf Target 08/28/13 0.893 100 92 5543
Wolf Target 08/28/13 0.79 100 92 5543
Wolf Target 08/28/13 1.194 100 92 5543
Wolf Target 08/28/13 0.824 100 79 5543
Wolf Target 08/28/13 1.075 100 79 5543 Includes Cold Clean bore
Wolf Target 08/28/13 0.855 100 79 5543
Wolf Target 08/28/13 1.009 100 79 5543
Wolf Target 08/28/13 1.076 100 79 5543


Brand Date Shot Group Size Distance Temperature Elevation Comments
AVG 0.9956666667
Wolf Extra 08/28/13 0.739 100 85 5543
Wolf Extra 08/28/13 1.726 100 85 5543 Horizontal string; Wind?
Wolf Extra 08/28/13 0.301 100 85 5543
Wolf Extra 08/28/13 0.832 100 85 5543
Wolf Extra 08/28/13 1.094 100 85 5543
Wolf Extra 08/28/13 1.106 100 92 5543
Wolf Extra 08/28/13 1.212 100 92 5543
Wolf Extra 08/28/13 0.651 100 92 5543
Wolf Extra 08/28/13 1.3 100 92 5543


Brand Date Shot Group Size Distance Temperature Elevation Comments
AVG 1.1298
SK Standard Plus 08/28/13 1.517 100 92 5543 Flyer; w/o 4 shots at .463
SK Standard Plus 08/28/13 0.606 100 92 5543
SK Standard Plus 08/28/13 0.845 100 92 5543
SK Standard Plus 08/28/13 1.172 100 92 5543
SK Standard Plus 08/28/13 1.114 100 92 5543
SK Standard Plus 08/28/13 1.834 100 79 5543 Flyer; w/o 4 shots at .394
SK Standard Plus 08/28/13 1.06 100 79 5543
SK Standard Plus 08/28/13 1.188 100 79 5543
SK Standard Plus 08/28/13 0.63 100 79 5543
SK Standard Plus 08/28/13 1.332 100 79 5543


Brand Date Shot Group Size Distance Temperature Elevation Comments
AVG 1.003125
Midas + 08/28/13 1.288 100 92 5543
Midas + 08/28/13 0.922 100 92 5543
Midas + 08/28/13 0.85 100 92 5543
Midas + 08/28/13 1.184 100 92 5543
Midas + 08/28/13 0.53 100 92 5543
Midas + 08/28/13 1.053 100 92 5543
Midas + 08/28/13 1.3 100 92 5543
Midas + 08/28/13 0.898 100 92 5543


To further the argument, here are all rounds' standard deviations as of now:

Cartridge Running Average Standard Deviation

Eley Edge 0.8730833333 0.2608034643
Eley Tenex 1.17525 0.1815667921
Eley Club 1.1379090909 0.2652163097
Eley Team 1.404 0.6731656557
Wolf Target 0.9752222222 0.1391328302
Wolf Extra 0.9956666667 0.416633832
SK S Plus 1.1298 0.3803906764
Midas + 1.003125 0.258959146


Next week I will add some Center X in the mix for Round 2 of Lapua.

 

[Simplejack]

What happen to this thread? It just died.. Or am I just not seeing the next page button?

 

[jbell]

What happen to this thread? It just died.. Or am I just not seeing the next page button?

Well it turns out that TheGerman actually got his hands on some Center X and was about to post the results. I told him if he knows what is best for his health he would not post the results, don't want to let that cat out of the bag...

 

[steve123]

German, you slacker, get on with the test will you...smile