Rifle Scopes Unleash the Beast...

[Lowlight]

Apparently nobody is paying attention to any of this

All this is being dictated by Horus through the Army. They Army has said, because Horus has told them, all these scopes have to have locks on them because they want them to use the Horus Reticle with the turrets locked off.

So Horus lobbies the Army to use their reticle, and they say, they want to shoot to 1500m + hence the 20 mils and we want to lock off the turrets. So every company that wants to entertain any kind of military contract has to have locks. S&B, Leupold, Nightforce, all have this, because Horus said so and the Army has people listening. Call Horus and blame them.

 

[Ring]

Damn. How many stories high is that elevation knob? That thing is a monster.

and people say the Razor has huge turrets... i think u can bungi off of those...

 

[08Cayenne]

The Beast will cost me a bundle, I'm out of rifles, will have to buy something for it to sit on.

 

[TiroFijo]

How anybody likes the Horus reticle for general military use is beyond me.

I have limited exposure to them, using only a couple of friend's scopes, but oh boy. Perhaps we have too many bushes around here, but the spiderweb reticles make people swear in languages....

 

[msmith64]

Now that's an idea....

The Beast will cost me a bundle, I'm out of rifles, will have to buy something for it to sit on.

 

[Chris@InterstateGuns]

Apparently nobody is paying attention to any of this

All this is being dictated by Horus through the Army. They Army has said, because Horus has told them, all these scopes have to have locks on them because they want them to use the Horus Reticle with the turrets locked off.

So Horus lobbies the Army to use their reticle, and they say, they want to shoot to 1500m + hence the 20 mils and we want to lock off the turrets. So every company that wants to entertain any kind of military contract has to have locks. S&B, Leupold, Nightforce, all have this, because Horus said so and the Army has people listening. Call Horus and blame them.

Say it aint so. People not paying attention? LOL

 

[Alex V]

Apparently nobody is paying attention to any of this

All this is being dictated by Horus through the Army. They Army has said, because Horus has told them, all these scopes have to have locks on them because they want them to use the Horus Reticle with the turrets locked off.

So Horus lobbies the Army to use their reticle, and they say, they want to shoot to 1500m + hence the 20 mils and we want to lock off the turrets. So every company that wants to entertain any kind of military contract has to have locks. S&B, Leupold, Nightforce, all have this, because Horus said so and the Army has people listening. Call Horus and blame them.

Man, you really don't like Horus lol. I have to say, your posts regarding the topic do make sense tho.

Can't wait for a good video of review of the scope. :-D

 

[Opticsspecialist]

I thought MOA was dead but Nightforce sent you an MOA BEAST.

MOA is far from dead. they out number mil based scopes at times. different strokes, but the hunting crowed seems to lean moa

 

[KUSA]

MOA is far from dead. they out number mil based scopes at times. different strokes, but the hunting crowed seems to lean moa

I meant that I thought it was dead among the cool kids like snipers, operators, tactical wannabes, ect. Hunters are a different crowd altogether.

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[KUSA]

and people say the Razor has huge turrets... i think u can bungi off of those...

I think it is a phalanx symbol for Nightforce. The are showing everyone that they have the biggest one unlike those micro-penis ones on a March.

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[Opticsspecialist]

I meant that I thought it was dead among the cool kids like snipers, operators, tactical wannabes, ect. Hunters are a different crowd altogether.

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gotcha, those guys do tend to prefer mil

 

[tylerw02]

Hunters are a different crowd altogether.

Yeah, most of the hunting crowd is too stubborn to learn the system, and too close-minded to listen to anybody. They say "I think in inches not metric stuff" and "I can visualize in inches!" because they ignorantly think their 1/4 MOA knobs are in "inches" and .1 mRad is "metric". That don't bother to learn to use their reticles in the first place so they never figure out that 1/10 is easier....

 

[Lowlight]

In the military and with the cool kids MOA is dead. Even the SEALs are switching and they were the last to hold out but with everyone else going Mils, it's stupid to use anything different.

The brass at NF are not military but from the competition world which is why the MOA version was in hand first. That and with the FFP scopes, even with NF, mils out sell MOA. Only in SFP do you see more MOA sales. The majority of Beast per-orders were Mils.

 

[mikeltee]

Midway is showing 12-02-13 as arrival date. That really sucks we are going to miss hunting season this year. I think I'm gonna go with a Kahles.

 

[SSG3K]

Could you please take some pics of the beast next to a 5-25 schmid bender.

Thanks

Rich

 

[Lowlight]

@SSG3K I will definitely, because it is actually shorter... once my scope arrives. None of these were mine. They were NF Bill & Tod's.

Also I have a feeling when I put it alongside the Leupold M5 locking turret, you'll see the Leupold is bigger. (At least it seems like it is to me,)

 

[Rob01]

you'll see the Leupold is bigger. (At least it seems like it is to me,)

Too easy. LOL

 

[buckey]

It ain't big but its cute.........................................

 

[Sledge1]

Too easy. LOL

Can't believe that you're gonna let that one go Rob.

Kinda like 'Messin with Sasquatch'.
Chicken!

 

[AEROMechanic]

How does this scope stack up durability wise and quality of glass vs the Trijocon TARS?

 

[Night Eagle]

I get why they think the turrets need to lock. But in reality has anyone ever accidentally bumped their turret causing it to turn? I really think that's an unneeded feature.

 

[Sledge1]

I get why they think the turrets need to lock. But in reality has anyone ever accidentally bumped their turret causing it to turn? I really think that's an unneeded feature.

I don't disagree with you, but read the first post on this page.

 

[Night Eagle]

I did read that

 

[bogeybrown]

Re the "locking" turrets, if you look at the Mark 6 with the Horus that Leupold spec'd for the military, the windage knob is capped like on a hunting scope. The rationale being that with the gridded reticle you're shooting pure windage holds anyway so you only need to use the windage turret to set your initial zero then it's done. By going this route they were apparently able to reduce price to hit whatever mark they needed to for contract consideration.

 

[MTETM]

Damn Straight I have... Would be a nice feature to lock the windage or have a hard dedent to keep the knob from moving until you want it to... But this is off topic here

I get why they think the turrets need to lock. But in reality has anyone ever accidentally bumped their turret causing it to turn? I really think that's an unneeded feature.

 

[Night Eagle]

I've got a nightforce f1. And had an nxs before that...no way in hell r u gonna move those knobs accidentally. They require real manipulation. And we train pretty hard.

 

[Captain Kirk]

So every company that wants to entertain any kind of military contract has to have locks. S&B, Leupold, Nightforce, all have this, because Horus said so and the Army has people listening. Call Horus and blame them.

Funny how none of the Horus scopes (which they do not produce) do not offer "locking" turrets, capped yes but not locking. Its a hell of a lot easier placing a turret cap on vs engineering a locking turret assembly. I would think it would be easier for a optics mfr to have a turret cap option on all of the Horus based optics that go out the door, and leave it off of the non Horus optics. But as you mentioned, the rules have all been set by Horus, thanks guys.......

 

[Lowlight]

The problem is, they also want to Cover ELR with the same scope, and because the Horus has to be powered down magnification wise, in order to see the 15 to 20 mils they figure you can dial the turrets and lock them, and then use the reticle after that. They are trying to have a one stop solution, when you cap the turrets you have no idea where they are set. So you have to uncap them to see. So with a lock, you can dial up 10 mils, then use the reticle after that.

I have a PSR Prototype scope, with the H37 in it, locking turrets, etc, and they put the Horus reticle at the very top so it covers the entire sight picture as they wanted to have 15 mils visible without having to lower the magnification. it puts your 100 yard zero at the very top of the sight picture, so you never really "hold center" as everything they want to accomplish is on one end or the other. The military has been sold on the Horus as the solution, and because of this, they are trying to get the scope companies to fix the short comings, IE locking turrets, single turn knobs.

 

[sharac]

Probably too much LR shooting in Afgan and Iraq where plumes of dirt can be always seen . Now move to grassland and lo and behold wtf did that impact go and why do i have Christmas tree in my scope...

 

[TiroFijo]

Another trend I don't like is putting too many clicks in one turn. I would be perfectly happy with a nice round number like 10 mils per revolution, BIG spaced, solid, audible, clicks, and a second/third turn indicator.

How many people really are shooting at 1500+ m? And need a second shot really fast, just holding on the last dirt puff? Perhaps lots of snipers "try their luck" (with all due respect to therir skill and training) nowadays at extended ranges due to the unsophisticated opposition?

 

[Shoottothrill]

Probably too much LR shooting in Afgan and Iraq where plumes of dirt can be always seen . Now move to grassland and lo and behold wtf did that impact go and why do i have Christmas tree in my scope...

I totally agree. It's a fad because of where the military has been and is now for the last ten years.

 

[Terry Cross]

Another trend I don't like is putting too many clicks in one turn. I would be perfectly happy with a nice round number like 10 mils per revolution, BIG spaced, solid, audible, clicks, and a second/third turn indicator.

You and I must be the only ones that think that!
I have been bitching and moaning since NF came out with the "High Speed" turrets. Would not have cared except they dropped the original design turret that they got right the first time! They even had turn indicator lines below the turret although something you could "feel" and use in low/no light would have been nice.

The high speed turrets should have come out with 1/5 mil increments since that is about as close as you are going to get to your target dope if you are in a hurry or have poor light with the current new and improved high speed, close spaced setups.

I know NF felt like they had to go with public outcry and market opinion on that one. The huge and dominant perception, and I really want to think that was all it was....perception....was that if your scope didn't have a Zillion mils in one rev, you were using old tech.

Rant, rant, blah, blah.... OK. I feel better since I haven't bitched about that in a while. Thanks Tiro
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