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Barrel contours

Whiskey9514

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What contour barrels do you guys prefer for long range varmint? I would also like to be able to shoot tactical matches with it my stock is set up for sendero\rem varmint contour but I wasn't sure if that was heavy enough or not. Mainly just wondering what most of you guys use.
 
The Douglas #7. I think all top barrep makers offer a similar. Some call it the heavy target. Nice in between wt- heavier than the sendero/varmint, but not a LOG like the MTU.
 
Light Palma contour cut to length (20-26") for your application. Remember that you have to move with you rifle under time and shoot unsupported as well.
 
I use to build everything with M40 or #7s but I'm find myself moving tward the Remington varmint/sender.
 
My aftermarket barrels go on my Savage 10 Action, and so far, they all have Savage Varmint contours. This greatly simplifies stock selection for a pre-inletted stock, since this is usually the standard barrel channel profile for Savage versions. It has worked nicely for me.

Greg
 
The questions I've been asking myself lately are how thick does a barrel have to be to 1) keep heat from effecting POI at fire rates that you reach with with a bolt action rifle and 2) keep the barrel rigid enough that it does not effect accuracy at the length required for the muzzle velocity I'm looking for.

I don't have the experience to answer those questions, but if I could I think that would be the ideal barrel contour. Any bigger than that is just extra weight.
 
I've had the following heavy barrels:

26" Varmint
27" M40
20" Varmint
25" Med Palma.

With those I'm really liking the med Palma balance for longer barrels and the Varmint for the shorter barrels.
 
ive had 3 Remington varmint contours and a savage varmint. I keep wanting a m24 contour but may stick with the Remington varmint contour as a lot of serious shooters I know keep going to the same or complain about the weight of m24 rifles. I gotta still be able to take mine deer hunting as well...
 
I got a light palma on my 260 and its a 28in bbl, its a little lighter than a sendero so it doesn't save much weight so a little more weight won't make a difference. If you want an heavier contour with a lighter weight then get a carbon fiber wrapped barrel, it may be 1k for a barrel but they sure are light and cool looking.
 
I Have a 26" M24/M40 and 20" Rem Varmint....Next one will be a Medium Palma in 22"-24".

The M24/M40 barrel is great for stationary shooting but the rifle is in the 16lbs range with it, so it's not light.
The Rem Varmint and Medium Palma is great for gunning around and shooting off-hand...good balance and lighter weight.
 
The questions I've been asking myself lately are how thick does a barrel have to be to 1) keep heat from effecting POI at fire rates that you reach with with a bolt action rifle and 2) keep the barrel rigid enough that it does not effect accuracy at the length required for the muzzle velocity I'm looking for.

I don't have the experience to answer those questions, but if I could I think that would be the ideal barrel contour. Any bigger than that is just extra weight.

At some point, even the heaviest barrel will fail to meet this requirement

One can still do some things to alleviate some of those consequences. One can scale down their chambering, going down in caliber instead of going up with chamber capacity. One can moderate their loads to reduce the sum total of energy being input to the system.

One can also modify their strategy, going from amassing heat in a large heat sink to dissipating it at an accelerated rate with a hybrid barrel construction. I have been quietly extolling a special product that Lothar-Walther provides for about the past decade. Their 'Ultra-Lightweight' barrel combines a minimal steel inner barrel with an aluminum sheath, reducing weight as well as greatly decreasing the time it takes to shed excess heat.

It's not cheap, last time I asked (a few years back) I was told to expect to pay somewhere in the sevens. I have yet to amass that ante.

But I also think there are few better ways to address these questions.

Greg
 
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The topic of heat affecting accuracy has been discussed on here several times before. If your rifle is built properly, a hot barrel will not change the accuracy or point of impact. If your accuracy drops off as the barrel warms up, then there is something wrong with your rifle. I've gotten my barrel plently hot at F-class matches. The barrel is too hot to touch at the end of a 20 round course of fire and rounds were still in the 10 and x ring.

Like others have said, remington varmint or medium palma is a good choice
 
If groups open up when the barrel gets to a heat level that is common in match shooting, then maybe the load needs to be redeveloped to achieve best accuracy at that barrel temp.

Some barrels have internal stresses that cause a 'walking POI', so a more simple tactic than a barrel replacement to overcome a walking POI when the barrel gets hot is to consider a barrel contact/tensioner pad at the end of the barrel channel. Some Remington factory varmint stocks are(were?) equipped with such a pad built into the stock, most likely to cope with such issues. My experience is that they should be left undisturbed for best accuracy with the original barrel.

For best results, enough upward force needs to be applied that ensures that barrel vibration does not break the contact with the pad. Often a degree of flex/compressibility in the pad (as with firm neoprene foam) can be advantageous. Since these pads will almost certainly modify barrel harmonics, load redevelopment is usually necessary.

This also usually results in a higher POI; and may coincidentally provide the same effect as additional scope base slope.

Greg
 
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I still prefer a heavier barrel, the weight lends itself (for me) with stability. My builds mainly consist of MTU barrels and I have no regrets.
 
Match the barrel weight to the mission (job) and you can't go to far wrong using the HEAVIER and STIFFER, the better idea! If you have to carry the thing much or fall under some sanctioning body's rules, then HEAVIER may not be better or allowed.
 
Im using mcmilan stock on my rem 5r milspec and im about to te barrel, is rem varmint too thin for 308? Should i use heavy palma or HV? And re open barrel chanel on stock. I dont think ill be using this for hunting but target only..mostly stationary
 
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