Starbucks is requesting customers not carry guns in the store.

[sandwarrior]

One only needs to Google Israeli terrorist attacks foiled by armed Israeli citizens to find out how many, and how often an armed populations is able to defend itself against those wanting to kill them. Kinda like at FT. Hood, or the Navy Yard, or ............

To me the best one was the school down in GA. Right after the hearings for Sandy Hook. When one of the teachers said there was no way someone with a gun could've stopped Adam Lanza. The GA incident went down, like the guy showed his gun, the person carrying (I believe it was the vice-principle) drew and fired, killing the perp. End of story, no one else killed. As soon as that blew over and proved the teacher from Sandy Hook WRONG, the story went right straight out of the media.

Someone might fact check me on this, because I know I read it. But, I can't find it. It just went "POOF!" right out of the news....

 

[fx77]

Is it true that a guy was ejected from a gun shop (LGS) because he had a Starbuck's coffee in hand??

 

[Graham]

Starbucks is requesting customers not carry guns in the store.

Is it true that a guy was ejected from a gun shop (LGS) because he had a Starbuck's coffee in hand??

But doesn't every American have a God-given Constitutional right to openly carry any Starbucks coffee, even low-whip carmel Frap?

 

[JoeZ]

Even Snipers Hide doesn't want to be the battleground of political debate, yet some here think Starbucks should be?

 

[Dogtown]

This was a bad idea from the start, almost like dick swinging because you can and it just feeds the stereotype of gun owners as extremist thugs.

When I was a punker kid in the 80s we were constantly judged by the general public as violent losers, drop outs or drug addicts. But the best way to counter that stereotype was to be the opposite of what they expected: I had a job, worked hard, got good grades, didn't vandalize property or steal shit and was respectful of authority. That did more to actually change people's perception about me and my friends and punkers in general than to just stick it to everyone because I could.

In some senses we're fighting a COIN campaign and the center of gravity is public opinion. It helps having the law on our side, but it will always be under pressure as long as a sizeable portion of the public view us and guns as a bad mix. We have to show them that we're not all a bunch of James Yaegers and Mark Kesslers.

 

[Sako man]

I know my stance may not be popular here? But that said if I saw for example a guy walking down the street with an AR or any firearm, I would be very concerned. I really hate it when a bunch of dicks want to walk around packing and then use a video camera to engage a police office just to prove a point. It's a waste of our tax money and a fucking annoyance. I have seen so many of these videos on youtube where these dippys simply do this for the sake of attentions or to just argue a point.

Now, concealed carry is a different story. Why do I feel that is a much better idea? Well it does not unnecessarily alarm anyone.

Last point, when I lived in Montana we all drove around in our pickup trucks with rifles hanging out the back, but here in Cali it's a very different story.

Oh shit, is this politics?

 

[MarinePMI]

Last point, when I lived in Montana we all drove around in our pickup trucks with rifles hanging out the back, but here in Cali it's a very different story.

Funny you should mentioned that. I remember getting pulled over by a CHP officer because I had an AR hanging in the rifle rack of my truck, as I was driving home (Texas) for leave (this was about 20 yrs ago). I had it in the rack because I didn't want to get stopped for something and get accused of having it concealed (regular old truck, with no extended cab, so ammo was in the cab as well, in the bottom of a range bag under my pack). Well, anyways, the officer passes me three times, going off the interstate and coming back on as I drove up I-15 and then finally pulls me over (clearly he was running my plates and waiting for a response). He was clearly nervous, asking me to get out the truck and stand near the tail gate. Gives me the standard, "lift your shirt so I can see your waist/belt." Then he proceeds to ask if I knew why I was pulled over. I responded, "Not really sir, but considering how nervous you are, I'm guessing its the AR in the rack. I was told I had to have it in plain view by the police dept when I called and asked about transporting it with ammo in a truck with no lockable or separate space."

The officer then told me that there is no law against having a rifle in the gun rack, and yes technically that it is required to have it in the open if not locked or in a separate compartment like a trunk. Then he also told me that if anyone even implied I pointed it at them, he would have to arrest me, no questions asked. When I asked if the officer was telling me to keep it concealed, which is against the law, he repeated what he had just said "If someone says you pointed that at them, I'd have to arrest you" and then gave me a level gaze. I told "Yes sir, I understand". He smiled, said don't get in your truck until after I pull away please. Have a nice day and have a good leave in Texas (still had Texas plates).

CA has some conflicting laws; ironically, sometimes you have to bend them a bit, just to keep civil order and peace...smh.

 

[snipe10]

Maybe it's time for open carry coffee shops, where you must or encouraged to carry a gun to go in!

 

[Switchblade]

Hmmmmm...
Some of you make a case stating that open carry was effective when this nation was a place filled with lawlessness in the late 1800's to early 1900's, and that we have come beyond that lawlessness.

I must disagree with this statement. Yes, we came away from that lawlessness, and made a case to support that premise until around the 1960's. Then the bigger cities of Oakland, San Francisco, LA, Detroit, NYC, Chicago, WDC, all escalated over time to what we have today. There is a far higher level of lawlessness throughout the nation NOW than was even close to being experienced in the past two centuries. Today we hold a very valid reason to carry a combat worthy caliber upon our hip, if only to protect our families and friends, or to insure our area of security. If some hand wringing crybaby coward doesn't like it, too damn bad. THEY are the ones who led us here by their choice of inaction, tolerance, lowering of moral code, and acceptance of being a victim.
If WE ALL REFUSE to go out unarmed, who will do anything about it? LEO won't do anything if he looks and sees the multitudes carrying openly. He will simply shake his head and think, 'damn, we have finally come full circle, we are back to this'. Imagine the look on his and everyone's face as he tries to enforce the law on ONE individual. The 'Seriously?'s', and 'Really's?' will not allow it, and he will recognize that the population has declared a new form of acceptance and law. Intolerance and higher morality are the only things that will move us back to where we need to go. That, and a nicely built combat worthy pistol, slung low on the hip.