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New US Army Camouflage Selection Leaked

The whole "what is the next camouflage" drama makes me laugh. It's like a bunch of prissy bitches at the Paris fashion show, only with guns.
 
i still prefer a salty set of woodlands. once they were damn near unserviceable they blended everywhere.
 
I was hoping for a mixed digitized combination of teal, pink, chartreuse, and many other colors(well outside of the primary color zone) found in a 64-color count of Crayola crayons.

With any luck the current $100 million dollar idea for inter-service, unisex, Daisy Duke shorts will catch on.
 
They keep changing our uniform. Now what im told and what the rumor outside my CoC is that we are all going to be wearing the same uniform. If you look at other aspects of our uniform accessories youll notice theyre already the same. Things like fleece jackets, etc. But now all of our duty uniforms will be standardized. Are we all going to be wearing the same uniform both in garrison and deployed or what are my questions to leadership. I dont exactly agree with looking the same but i guess its for budget.

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Anything other than lime green will beat the ACUs.
[MENTION=90642]shooterfpga[/MENTION], I think the issue is the huge number of new patterns introduced since about 2001 - the ACU, two flavors of MARPAT (which predate the ACU), some carry over of the old 3-color desert, Multicam in asia because ACU sucks so bad in the real world, the Air Force's silly tiger-stripe-ACU, the Navy's blue dot camo (pointless and then some, except for getting men overboard killed because it blends in seawater), some recent US Navy patterns for land personnel because the Marines didn't want to share MARPAT and Navy wasn't going to do ACU or keep the old 1990's patterns, etc. How many freaking patterns does one country need?
 
1) what does this new camo look like?
2) how much better is it than what is currently being used?
3) is it worth the extra money spent?
 
Myself and pretty much every soldier out there will be glad to see the ACU go as it was always a hideous pattern and ineffectual at best. I won't go into the details of it but I knew an officer who was the aide to one of the officers on the selection board that "selected" the ACU. His statement was that the ACU wasn't even hardly a consideration until one day the officer in charge said "We are selecting the ACU" and that was that. My bet is he was paid off in one way or another.

Multicam is an exceptional camo pattern on the other hand and I have no problem wearing it.

Hopefully they are smart and make the uniforms more usable by angling the chest pockets to where you can still access them under bodyarmor; also ditch the Velcro and put buttons back on.

+1 to it being stupid that every service has their own camo pattern now. What a waste of tax-payer money as well as a logistical nightmare.

RIP ACU. Good riddance.
 
Considering less than 5% of the Army even needs camo or that it would make a difference over OD/CB/ect, it's funny to see more money be wasted on stupid shit.

I have tons of Woodland and ACU shit from my time in.

My favorate camo pattern now is jeans and a earth colored or flannel shirt.
Seeing all the civies taking photo shoots in their queer gear always gives me a good chuckle.


EDIT: I expect reflctor belts will be moulded into them with strips up and down the front for extra vis.
 
I was one of the first Companies to go through Recruit Training to get the Marpat Cammies back in '02. As I recall the Idea came from a couple scout snipers and the colors were chosen based on the Krylon camo colors of the day.
 
It's not exactly Multicam, but is going to be the multicam pattern in two different color variations: likely biased towards green and brown. Sadly, this is what we should have had back in 2004; the way it went for Army uniforms over the last 10 years is just pathetic and a massive waste of money.
 
Those Duffelblog links are EPIC.

I'm glad to see the Army is going to spend HUNDREDS of millions MORE on a service-specific camo pattern when the forces are supposed to be moving towards a common pattern like we used to wear with the Woodlands.
I felt bad for the soldiers when the Army bought the ridiculous ACU bullshit, but to make matters worse, they then went on to cover EVERYTHING in that shit: gym mats, hard hats, jock straps, etc.
Cobracutter nailed it when he made the point that a small fraction of service members even NEED camo anymore. I'm waiting for the "keyboard camo" pattern for the Air Force to replace that ridiculous ACU tiger-stripe.
 
Those Duffelblog links are EPIC.

I'm glad to see the Army is going to spend HUNDREDS of millions MORE on a service-specific camo pattern when the forces are supposed to be moving towards a common pattern like we used to wear with the Woodlands.
I felt bad for the soldiers when the Army bought the ridiculous ACU bullshit, but to make matters worse, they then went on to cover EVERYTHING in that shit: gym mats, hard hats, jock straps, etc.
Cobracutter nailed it when he made the point that a small fraction of service members even NEED camo anymore. I'm waiting for the "keyboard camo" pattern for the Air Force to replace that ridiculous ACU tiger-stripe.

Why not just issue uniforms with a solid "background color" and then let the troops add the camo pattern they need with spray cans of fabric coloring? Kind of like they are now encouraging with the rifles and other "arms".
 
I was really hoping to see the Kryptek Highlander camo get the contract. The owners being both former SPECOPS guys and die hard patriots I was really pulling for them. Not to mention their camo is badass...

Mike
 
You in the military?

Some of us POGs really dont want to see some of these people wearing daisy duke shorts hahaha

As a currently serving soldier in a combat arms mos i would love to run missions in daisy duke old usmc style pt shorts and full kit. In fact if i wouldnt get hemmed up for it now id do it.

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Few things beat the proper use of OD/Ranger Green.

I agree, I still got my mates M65 from 1965-1967 ???, it looks a little Tired now and the white Label is worn and torn but its still going good.

John
 
As a currently serving soldier in a combat arms mos i would love to run missions in daisy duke old usmc style pt shorts and full kit. In fact if i wouldnt get hemmed up for it now id do it.

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Hey now, don't be dis'in the "silkies". :)
 
As a currently serving soldier in a combat arms mos i would love to run missions in daisy duke old usmc style pt shorts and full kit. In fact if i wouldnt get hemmed up for it now id do it.

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Haha well in that case rock it brother.
 
My take on all of this camo drama is this: ACU sucked (everyone basically agrees here) and we needed an improvement. Multicam comes along and is (mostly) great for Afghanistan. But ACU made us realize that a universal camo isn't. So we have to have another suite of camos for different environments.
Having Crye do it makes at least a little bit of sense as they're proven and already in use. Hopefully it also means that multicam doesn't have to be thrown into the garbage immediately and can be replaced with the new suite's transitional as needed.
As long as this wasn't .mil playing favorites and politics I see it as a good thing. It's time to stop paying any more money for anything ACU.
Of course the whole utility uniform vs. battle uniform thing is a different topic.
That's my $0.02 and it's worth what you paid.
 
Easy for people to say isn't it? If you ever served than you would know camo is important. The only time this shit works is in the fob laying in the f'n pee-gravel. I miss the old BDU's. Our Multi cam's work amazingly.

It's to bad we have been wearing this "Political uniform" as long as we have. I hope the c... sucker who's profiting off of these survives a plain accident and gets eaten by a bunch of ants.

Cheers,
BC
 
I have heard from many that the ACU doesn't work as it's supposed to. I am however impressed by the ATACS and Multicam looks. I don't see pics of them in dense foliage though.

Any thoughts?
 
I believe ATACS entered into the competition long ago. But they were eliminated fairly early on. The thing that killed most of the patterns in the contest was how visible they were in the IR and NIR spectrum. Stuff like the 3 color desert works great in the day, but under NODs they looked like glow sticks.

IMO, I liked US4CES the most out of the final four patterns. But if they all performed about the same, I have no issue with Multicam getting the nod. It's already been getting issued to everyone but the Marines for the last several years in Afghanistan. That means less $$$ to have to spend on replacing PPE and other stuff that is already the correct "new" pattern. Overall costs will probably come down a bit in the long run as the services go to using the same pattern again, just like it was when I first joined.
 
1) what does this new camo look like?
2) how much better is it than what is currently being used?
3) is it worth the extra money spent?
4) Who is going to manufacture it?
5) What congressman's district is it going to be manufactured in?
6) What can we get him to vote for in exchange for sending that business to his congressional district, despite the fact that it's far over-budget and makes no sense?
7) How does it affect (insert your congressman's name here)'s re-election?
8) How can I use it to get campaign donations?
 
Raaaannngeerrrrr Panties!

I love my ranger panties! There wasn't anything more comfortable on a run, eyegrabbing at the PX or off post, and totally homoerotic.

Went to pick my wife up at airport once after we first met. I showed up in a tight fitting Elmo shirt, ranger panties and penny loafers with no socks. She looked around, I was right in front of her, so I'd say that camo worked pretty well. She was SO embarrassed, it was SO worth it!
 
I have heard from many that the ACU doesn't work as it's supposed to. I am however impressed by the ATACS and Multicam looks. I don't see pics of them in dense foliage though.

Any thoughts?

I was in the test group in 2002 or 03 when they tested for the new patterns. There were actually four or five digital patterns, if memory serves. There was one like the ACU that I liked better, it had a lot of sage green in it and still had the neutral gray scale colors. We had the marine colors but they were a bit different, I forget the difference. I think there was an all gray one too. Each company was issued an extra pair (woodland was still uniform, that or DCU's) and they wore it during YTC, JRTC and NTC training. JRTC was last and where they made the decision I'm told, so it had to have SOMETHING to do with IR or urban use, as hunter orange blends in better down there! ACU is also actually not the pattern's name, but that's what it's called colloquially --the uniform pattern is ACU.

The ACU wasn't supposed to be a purely generic one size fits all pattern (then again, maybe it was). It was supposed to be good in urban environments, and in fact, when it first got issued that's what it was called. The new urban MOUT uniform. BTW, our company had the ACU's, the winning color. I suppose looking back, out of all the ones they had there, it does work best for night missions in urban environments and isn't bad for desert I suppose. You gotta remember, they aren't exactly looking for camo that blends in during the day. They're looking for camo that works best at dusk/dawn and at night, that's when 90% of missions were ran (at least we operated almost exclusively at night). I'd say the ACU under those conditions may be best: urban, concrete, dusk/dawn/night.

So all the new patterns, they're designed around the NODs, it's obvious. If you have too much difference in shade between the neutral color palette, that really stands out at night. So you pick a palette that works, rather is designed around, the Munsell scale that NODs typically generate their image in, then it'll work much better at night.

Worst? Woodland and DCU. Woodland acutally glows. ACU not too bad. Multicam blended the best. It just grays out basically. ATACs, the set I have, didn't look too bad but whatever they used for the band on the boonie hat, that glows. Regardless of what you use, motion is the key thing to give you away --contrast just helps usually.

Bottom line with camo, if NODs aren't an issue, then just go with whatever blends in best in your area. It may be something like mossy oak or realtree and not a military camo. The civilian hunting camos can be very specific and work much better within those constraints. During day, the ATACs blended in better here in these deep dark woods than did the multicam. Woodland still works best here for that, that or ranger green IMO.
 
One and the same sir!

That's some funny shit! Skin tight, tan poplin. What could be better to run in? They had to be skin tight, because if not, they wad up and grind skin off. Which you're supposed to be tough and ignore...unless it's your 'taint'. They worked good for the dive requals. Can't say I liked them for PT and running.

Getting back to Camo, it seems one of the big reasons for the BDU's coming in was that they were IR reflective and you could see soldiers at night with IR. Of course, those that didn't want to be seen could use the older (still available in the early '80's) Viet Nam jungle fatigues. We went from Woodland pattern Jungles to straight OD jungles in '82. Same time the Army went all BDU's.
 
So out of Atacs and Multicam which one is best as in blending and IR???

John
 
That's some funny shit! Skin tight, tan poplin. What could be better to run in? They had to be skin tight, because if not, they wad up and grind skin off. Which you're supposed to be tough and ignore...unless it's your 'taint'. They worked good for the dive requals. Can't say I liked them for PT and running.

Getting back to Camo, it seems one of the big reasons for the BDU's coming in was that they were IR reflective and you could see soldiers at night with IR. Of course, those that didn't want to be seen could use the older (still available in the early '80's) Viet Nam jungle fatigues. We went from Woodland pattern Jungles to straight OD jungles in '82. Same time the Army went all BDU's.

Alot of the IR signature had to do with the retarded regs at the time with people starching and using detergent that made you look like a christmas tree under IR.

The woodland camo in an ACU cut with better reinforments in the crotch and other tear prone areas would be tits. Same thing with DCU.
 
Its not the pattern. It is the matterial and dyes along with chemical treatments that give the IR signature.

Oh right well that would explain why a certain brand of realtree coats didnt set off the PIR IR detectors on some flood lights I had,


John
 
Alot of the IR signature had to do with the retarded regs at the time with people starching and using detergent that made you look like a christmas tree under IR.

The woodland camo in an ACU cut with better reinforments in the crotch and other tear prone areas would be tits. Same thing with DCU.

So, I guess I had that backwards. I think I wore BDU's a total of maybe 10 times in the four years they were standard. Mostly for Opfor. I was glad I didn't have to because they were hot. I liked the cut of the Jungles. Although I found it ironic that since the Rangers were to be in a "distinguishable" uniform, we went to OD green when the rest of the Army went to the camo BDU's. A few years later they came out with Summertime BDU's. Basically a camo Jungle with reinforced crotch and elbows. People who got them loved them as far as I knew.

This uniform thing is getting out of hand as far as I'm concerned. I can see absolutely no point in the Air Force wearing Tiger Stripe camo and the Navy wearing "invisible in the water" blue. As noted the latter will get you killed if you go overboard because no one can see you. Maybe they'll have to issue dye markers to wear on your belt.

And in all seriousness about cost, there should be standard camoflage uniforms for people who use them in any service. Not everyone who doesn't. Even the BDU's IMO were a huge waste of money. A jungle weight material in the cut of late WWII or Korea standard fatigue would probably be about the best all around choice. Even a Jungle cut. But, this wasting of money on pattern after pattern is seeming to me like any Gov't agency that is going to lose funding. Spend it while you got it. I think not.
 
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Well I dont care what pattern it is Im having Polka Dots on mine, If Im going in the Jungle or the bad lands Im gonna CLASH, lolololol,

Seriously they keep changing the patterns, I just want the one the Guys on the ground think is best coz them office boys dont have a clue what the Guys Need,

John
 
And in all seriousness about cost, there should be standard camoflage uniforms for people who use them in any service. Not everyone who doesn't. Even the BDU's IMO were a huge waste of money. A jungle weight material in the cut of late WWII or Korea standard fatigue would probably be about the best all around choice. Even a Jungle cut. But, this wasting of money on pattern after pattern is seeming to me like any Gov't agency that is going to lose funding. Spend it while you got it. I think not.

RIGHT. This is part of what I referenced earlier. I read recently either in Stars and Stripes or on Military.com that the services have been told that come 2018 they will be going back to a universal pattern for all branches like the woodlands. What fucking sense does it make for the Army to adopt yet ANOTHER pattern (while they're simultaneously using the ACUs and Multicam now) and spend the inevitable FORTUNE on it, when service-specific cammies are slotted to end in the next few years.

For comfort, the Canadian desert CADPAT was BADASS. When you first put it on you thought you were going to die in it because the material felt thick, but it was AWESOME for comfort, durability, and camo properties in southern A-Stan.