Range Rover vs Bikers

[Sugarbug]

Just read that one of the "Bikers" was a cop. He has been arrested.

I am withholding all judgement on that one. He was undercover. I definitely think he exacerbated the situation and don't understand his reasoning for doing so.

I do believe it's a "STFU" to all of the "they were just bikers trying to do a scheduled ride..." talkers. This "group" of riders had apparently gained enough notoriety that law enforcement saw fit to put an office undercover within the "group." Seems there might have been some other things going on.

 

[grayghost]

As per news reports the officer was not on under cover duty but off duty and riding with the group for (fun). It was also stated the officer broke out the rear window of the SUV.

 

[Sugarbug]

As per news reports the officer was not on under cover duty but off duty and riding with the group for (fun). It was also stated the officer broke out the rear window of the SUV.

OH.


I'm all kinds of judgey now.

 

[sqidd]

From post #297 of this thread:

Undercover cop seen on video attacking SUV is charged - Investigations

 

[EventHorizon]

Originally Posted by Switchblade View Post
They are built, not bought. These are made, one at a time, and given as gifts. They are usually either the color of the bike, or the club(MC) colors. When you are riding solo, and you go into 'patch' turf or other vehicles get too close, it is usually just simply twirled in the breeze a bit. It sends a message that damage may happen to you or your ride if you do not get back. Other bikers see it and they maintain normal distance as a courtesy.
Sure, we can carry 45's and 357's, or even AR's or M14's in scabbards, but carrying stuff that is found on the side of the road, well, so your cage gets afu from a old spark plug or a lost bolt, try proving where it came from. It's a he said she said thing, besides, if my hand was hanging down by the side of my bike, how do you know I let something go and you didn't just find an errant bolt of something in the road?
I of course would not expect anyone who has never ridden a motorcycle, or ridden in rain, snow, sleet day after day, year after year to understand these things. Fact is, you can't, because you have not BTDT. You (generalizing to all who have not BTDT) freely make comment on things you have not done, places you have not been, and as such, make worthless words that have no real impact on anything but humor, or sarcasm, at best. Until you have ridden 1000 miles on my bike in my boots, in rain, sleet and snow, your words are meaningless, lack value, and are both invalid and unsound because they lack solid reference. Fact is, bottom line, me, people like me, we are just guys who, when you look into our eyes usually see something there that either you recognize, or you don't. The slicked back hair, leather jacket, tattoos, grungy boots and quik wit usually make you wonder just WTF this person is really about. The obvious military swagger as some call it, the look that goes right through you, and the look that says, come on ahead, screw with me, go ahead, try it, see what happens is suually is more than enough to make you keep your distance, but the funny thing? The real funny thing? Sweet, little co-eds, YOUR daughters, walk right up grab the lapels of the jacket, and say things like,"Oohh, your jacket is so cool, can I wear it?", or "Hi, I saw you the other day, and just wanted to know your name" or,"You don't look so scary, you look like you need a hug" Sheeeiiit, I'll take that stuff from your daughters at school. My neighbor says it's a good thing...until I remind him HIS step daughter goes to the same college

If you can see me laughing my ass off right now as you read this, you maybe didn't miss it. If your panties are all bunched up, well son, you got more issues than a thin skin can handle don't ya?

This has to be one of the most asinine, ridiculous and outright retarded things I have ever read.......just to encapsulate the above statement: we brandish weapons in order to warn off/physically threaten fellow riders/drivers on the shared roadway and demand that we receive the respect we actively deny to others. Second, you should heed my warnings because I actively practice sound judgement by riding in weather deemed dangerous to travel in on a two wheeled vehicle and then brag about it on the Internet (I presume that this level of analytic thought is paired with your "quik wit"). Third, I have a "military swagger" that I use on College campuses to impress co-eds (read: daughters of my "friends") who are either naive enough to believe that your Danny Zuko costume really "sets you apart from the pack" or to disguise the fact that those in your own age category see you as either delusional or mildly retarded. Of course, I have not "ridden a thousand miles in your shoes" but I have also never participated in bestiality either and I am pretty sure that the lack of experience in either arena does not preclude me from arriving at the idea that your train of thought is a bad one. My advice....share the road, not your thoughts; one provides value for the tax dollar and the other has certainly had tax dollars wasted in the vain pursuit of improving it.

 

[Slapchop]

^^

My thoughts exactly!

 

[grayghost]

OH.


I'm all kinds of judgey now.

This was reported on good morning America with an interview with a spokesman for NYPD. I'm not being judgey just passing on info.

 

[Sugarbug]

I hear ya. I don't have cable so I'm behind the times a lot of the time.

 

[Switchblade]

This has to be one of the most asinine, ridiculous and outright retarded things I have ever read.......just to encapsulate the above statement: we brandish weapons in order to warn off/physically threaten fellow riders/drivers on the shared roadway and demand that we receive the respect we actively deny to others. Second, you should heed my warnings because I actively practice sound judgement by riding in weather deemed dangerous to travel in on a two wheeled vehicle and then brag about it on the Internet (I presume that this level of analytic thought is paired with your "quik wit"). Third, I have a "military swagger" that I use on College campuses to impress co-eds (read: daughters of my "friends") who are either naive enough to believe that your Danny Zuko costume really "sets you apart from the pack" or to disguise the fact that those in your own age category see you as either delusional or mildly retarded. Of course, I have not "ridden a thousand miles in your shoes" but I have also never participated in bestiality either and I am pretty sure that the lack of experience in either arena does not preclude me from arriving at the idea that your train of thought is a bad one. My advice....share the road, not your thoughts; one provides value for the tax dollar and the other has certainly had tax dollars wasted in the vain pursuit of improving it.

Hmmm, let's break this down a bit:

"we brandish weapons in order to warn off/physically threaten fellow riders/drivers on the shared roadway and demand that we receive the respect we actively deny to others."

Where, may I point out is the denial of respect to others? Your lack to show this, invalidates your unsound premise, as it does not exist

"you should heed my warnings because I actively practice sound judgement by riding in weather deemed dangerous to travel in on a two wheeled vehicle and then brag about it on the Internet"

Nowhere do I see bragging, but simple statement of fact. Again, you make an invalid and unsound premise based upon your own inferences

"I have a "military swagger" that I use on College campuses to impress co-eds"

Again, invalid premise that is unsound. This 'swagger' is common to all veteran's due to marching or miles rucking, it is they way they walk and common to all vets and military who have pride in themselves and day to day awareness of self. It is a normal gait, not practiced, it just is.

"I use on College campuses to impress co-eds (read: daughters of my "friends") who are either naive enough to believe that your Danny Zuko costume really "sets you apart from the pack" or to disguise the fact that those in your own age category see you as either delusional or mildly retarded."

Again, you place inference in statement of fact, and place some misguided supposition onto others. You add to that ad hominem attack on top of this further showing your ignorance, and invalid unsound premises

" I have not "ridden a thousand miles in your shoes" but I have also never participated in bestiality either and I am pretty sure that the lack of experience in either arena does not preclude me from arriving at the idea that your train of thought is a bad one."

You again, make invalid premises and unsound claims with Dictat Appeals to Authority, Demonization propaganda, your Glittering Generalities, and Dysphemism attacks.
Nowhere does a pair of old boots, worn jeans, old t-shirt, and years worn leather jacket deem some costume or intent. You ply your brand of ignorance as you see fit, with no real reference to anything but what you wrongfully perceive and try to infer on others.
I truly thought military people, having BTDT had a little more brains as how to conduct a proper argumentative set of premises, but you seem to truly show there is still a large amount of uneducated ignorance in this area

 

[chris26]

Hmmm, let's break this down a bit:

"we brandish weapons in order to warn off/physically threaten fellow riders/drivers on the shared roadway and demand that we receive the respect we actively deny to others."

Where, may I point out is the denial of respect to others? Your lack to show this, invalidates your unsound premise, as it does not exist

"you should heed my warnings because I actively practice sound judgement by riding in weather deemed dangerous to travel in on a two wheeled vehicle and then brag about it on the Internet"

Nowhere do I see bragging, but simple statement of fact. Again, you make an invalid and unsound premise based upon your own inferences

"I have a "military swagger" that I use on College campuses to impress co-eds"

Again, invalid premise that is unsound. This 'swagger' is common to all veteran's due to marching or miles rucking, it is they way they walk and common to all vets and military who have pride in themselves and day to day awareness of self. It is a normal gait, not practiced, it just is.

"I use on College campuses to impress co-eds (read: daughters of my "friends") who are either naive enough to believe that your Danny Zuko costume really "sets you apart from the pack" or to disguise the fact that those in your own age category see you as either delusional or mildly retarded."

Again, you place inference in statement of fact, and place some misguided supposition onto others. You add to that ad hominem attack on top of this further showing your ignorance, and invalid unsound premises

" I have not "ridden a thousand miles in your shoes" but I have also never participated in bestiality either and I am pretty sure that the lack of experience in either arena does not preclude me from arriving at the idea that your train of thought is a bad one."

You again, make invalid premises and unsound claims with Dictat Appeals to Authority, Demonization propaganda, your Glittering Generalities, and Dysphemism attacks.
Nowhere does a pair of old boots, worn jeans, old t-shirt, and years worn leather jacket deem some costume or intent. You ply your brand of ignorance as you see fit, with no real reference to anything but what you wrongfully perceive and try to infer on others.
I truly thought military people, having BTDT had a little more brains as how to conduct a proper argumentative set of premises, but you seem to truly show there is still a large amount of uneducated ignorance in this area

Whoever wrote this....give the keyboard back to to the yahoo who is late to pick up Sandy at the drive in. This response sounds too educated to belong to the rhesus monkey who flung fecal debris in the previous posting. However, if this is the same person, then there is hope that one of the voices in your head does practice common sense on select occasions. The original statement is a direct response to your implication that unless we "cagers" have not ridden thousands of miles in your shoes or dress up to the part, we somehow do not understand the BTDT aspect of why you feel it necessary to fling road debris at my vehicle if I get too close to "your" part of the road. You are correct, I do not understand why anyone would wish to endanger anyone else or their family by flinging road debris at them if they get in their way. Do the Amish fling horse shoes at you in Montgomery County or on 41A if you get too close to their carriages on the county roads? I am sure that your iron pony upsets their real horse, as I have seen it for myself. But they restrain themselves based on not only their religious beliefs but also due to the knowledge that they are in the minority of drivers on the road. Now, as for being a veteran, being one is the only reason I am not going to publicly verbally eviscerate you. If you pull out your little ethics card they issued you in Basic, I want you to point out which one of the Army/Marine values allows for you to conduct yourself in the manner you outlined above? What is next....warning shots to the windshields of drivers that get to close? They are not VBIEDs! The Jaysh Al Mahdi has not come over to Clarksville, TN in order to drive you off the road while you are on the way to the Malt Shop. Perhaps the vehicle has a fellow veteran, their family or loved ones aboard....something to contemplate when you drop road debris with the intent to damage his vehicle. Even if he/they are not.....if you are attending APSU on the GI Bill, these are the same folks whose tax dollars are picking up the tab and providing you the additional money to put gas in your iron pony. something to think about the next time some jackass cuts you off or gets too close to you and your sweet ride while cruising down 41A or Wilma Rudolph. Then again, maybe the debris you drop hits the vehicle of the vet with severe PTSD and then we get to read about you on a similar thread as this one on the Hide. Either way it is a win/win. Play stupid games....win stupid prizes. Say hi to Kenickie for me.

 

[Sean the Nailer]

Talk about "not gettin' it". Some people just don't understand. And to "not understand" on so many different levels is just astounding. The demise of the quality content of these threads is racing at breakneck speed. Let the exodus continue, whilst the oblivious castigate the Sages.

 

[EventHorizon]

Hmmm, let's break this down a bit:

"we brandish weapons in order to warn off/physically threaten fellow riders/drivers on the shared roadway and demand that we receive the respect we actively deny to others."

Where, may I point out is the denial of respect to others? Your lack to show this, invalidates your unsound premise, as it does not exist

Threats to property and person in the framework you have presented are disrespectful. In the previous post 'you' stated you have underhand methods of dishing out damage with little recourse to the driver of proving it was you who vandalized his car. You recognize the illegality of your actions yet deny they are disrespecful? Enjoy your own unsound premise...

"you should heed my warnings because I actively practice sound judgement by riding in weather deemed dangerous to travel in on a two wheeled vehicle and then brag about it on the Internet"

Nowhere do I see bragging, but simple statement of fact. Again, you make an invalid and unsound premise based upon your own inferences

Where was the fact? And more importantly, what point was supported by the alleged fact? There was none of either. The invited inference to the BTDT statement was 'you' have ridden in unsound conditions and so therefore have some deeper insight into the 'rules of road' that are seeminly only codified in your own imagination and previously admitted illegal and reckless behavior. Enjoy your unsound premise there.

"I have a "military swagger" that I use on College campuses to impress co-eds"

Again, invalid premise that is unsound. This 'swagger' is common to all veteran's due to marching or miles rucking, it is they way they walk and common to all vets and military who have pride in themselves and day to day awareness of self. It is a normal gait, not practiced, it just is.

It is NOT a normal gait, and it IS practiced because you just said so - a result of marching and rucking. Regardless, clearly an attempt to divert away from the self-agrandizement of the 'slick back hair, penetrating gaze and come-hither-for-thy-ass-kicking' writings. Swagger, self-awareness and confidence are not unique to former military. Nor is the ability to have slick back hair, penetrating gazes or kicking someone's ass. 'Your' premise and inference that they are is both dissmisive and assumptive of all readers.

"I use on College campuses to impress co-eds (read: daughters of my "friends") who are either naive enough to believe that your Danny Zuko costume really "sets you apart from the pack" or to disguise the fact that those in your own age category see you as either delusional or mildly retarded."

Again, you place inference in statement of fact, and place some misguided supposition onto others. You add to that ad hominem attack on top of this further showing your ignorance, and invalid unsound premises

Really? Fact? Where? I see no fact. Only a statement that clothing, 'swagger' and pomade are chick magnets. If the inference is to be taken at face value then all vets on bikes in like clothing should be chick magnets. I would wager they are not. I would win that wager. Your premise is invalid, unfounded, false and self-serving. Onto the ad hominem - 'you' suggest that anyone taking umbrage with your self-stated and apparently self-evident and undeniable manliness and animal magnetism is thin skinned is itself assumptive, unfounded and ridiculous. Are your assertions about yourself as solid and irrefutable as a mathematical proof? Are they infact a uiversal truth? I would wager not. I would win that wager. Enjoy your unfounded premise.

" I have not "ridden a thousand miles in your shoes" but I have also never participated in bestiality either and I am pretty sure that the lack of experience in either arena does not preclude me from arriving at the idea that your train of thought is a bad one."

You again, make invalid premises and unsound claims with Dictat Appeals to Authority, Demonization propaganda, your Glittering Generalities, and Dysphemism attacks.
Nowhere does a pair of old boots, worn jeans, old t-shirt, and years worn leather jacket deem some costume or intent. You ply your brand of ignorance as you see fit, with no real reference to anything but what you wrongfully perceive and try to infer on others.
'I truly thought military people, having BTDT had a little more brains as how to conduct a proper argumentative set of premises, but you seem to truly show there is still a large amount of uneducated ignorance in this area

Oh boy....

Dictat to Authority. If 'you' had read 'your' own post you would have realized that your entire post was not only an 'appeal to authority' but you weren't even humble enough to name a 3rd party authority, rather you appealed to your own authority as validation of the 'facts' being stated about your own awesomeness and knowledge of the 'code of the road'. It's narcissim on a pan-galactic scale. Where, however you may hold yourself as reference is in having commited illegal acts of vandalism and reckless endangerment of other drivers in acts of vigilantism against supposed 'threats'. On this point however, you align yourself with the mindless, mob-emboldened monkeys in NYC who attaked a man on an outing with his family. Truly an association to be proud of...

Demonization propaganda. lol. 'nuff said.

Dysphemism attacks. Your previous logic shows you don't know what this actually means. Yes, insulting and you were insulted but you are also 100%guilty of the same thing so accusing someone of it is, well, pretty weak and not worthy of the gaze, pomade blah blah blah.

BTW - Any 'man' who brags to his neighbour how easily he could fuck his daughter or how bad his daughter wants him is a douche.

 

[pinsandpitons]

It's narcissim on a pan-galactic scale

Only one of a stream of awesome-ness! Well done. I was "yawn.." over this thread, now I can't wait to see how ________ and ________ respond. Eventhorizon needs to remember one thing though, "There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life." -Frank Zappa

 

[EventHorizon]

Only one of a stream of awesome-ness! Well done. I was "yawn.." over this thread, now I can't wait to see how ________ and ________ respond. Eventhorizon needs to remember one thing though, "There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life." -Frank Zappa

Honestly, I've no dog in the fight in the bikers vs cagers. Couldn't care less and if someone damages my car I'll return the favor all else being equal. I just couldn't handle the 'I'm too sexy' line and the sophomore attempt at logic. At best, I'd say someone has a severe case of Solipsism...

 

[Okie Gordon]

Just saw a news story saying that a second off duty officer was involved as a cycle rider.
This one is an internal affairs officer.

 

[pinsandpitons]

...Solipsism...

Had to google that one. Thanks and thanks.

 

[Bradu]

Unrelated to this story but goes along with how these guys were riding and people trying to stick up for the motorcyclist actions. The other day a couple guys from work were talking about a motorcycle/vehicle accident that happened last Saturday night that happened two blocks from my house. Two bikes ran into the side of a van, the van supposedly didn't see or ran the stop sign at the T intersection, he was ticketed for failure to yield. One of the kids was wearing a helmet but his face is shattered and may be paralyzed and the guy on the other wasn't wearing a helmet and has no brain activity. The one motorcyclist is one of my coworkers brother in law so he was going by what he had heard from family members.


Anyways, him and another guy at work that rides a motorcycle were talking about how people don't see motorcycles and fines should be more severe along with a bunch of other bullshit. The guy that rides just don't understand why people don't see motorcycles, he acts like the bike isn't smaller than a pickup truck and vehicles don't have blind spots. I didn't say much since it's the guys brother in law but with the house close up, air on and watching tv in the living room and I could hear the two crotch rockets wide open coming from over two blocks away. I didn't know anything about the wreck at that point other than how bad the kids were messed up but you don't shatter your face with a helmet on at 30 mph with a helmet on. Yesterday I was talking to my mom and talked to my cousin that is a city cop and they guesstimated speeds of about 80 mph. There's enough of a hill a couple blocks from where it happened that I could see a motorcycle not being seen if you looked that way then looked the other direction and pulled out.

It sucks for the kids, the kids family and for the guy that pulled out, especially if he gets some stupid charge if the one kid doesn't make it just because they wanted to do stupid shit in town and that guy just happened to be in the wrong place. I understand we all did it, hell I done it when I was younger but I was lucky it didn't happen to me.

 

[Mike_Honcho]

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Ehh.... In a few years all of this will settled Toyota Cars of Tomorrow Will Nearly "Drive Themsleves" - Japan Real Time - WSJ - you be allowed to travel to your job and to your approved retail site to spend your money at the company store. Then you'll be dropped back off at the micro apartment that you rent from the bank$ters.