Hunting & Fishing Do you know anyone like this?

[briscoetab]

Just had to share this. I think it’s funny and somewhat frustrating that people think there is a such thing as a "flat shooting bullet". I know a couple people that think there are rifles that can shoot a bullet and it will only drop a couple inches. I don't mean a couple inches at 100 yds, they think it only drops a couple inches over 500 or 600 hundred yards.

I know someone who shot a deer at 500 yds and my buddy asked him how much he held over it, he said "just right over the shoulder on its back". He was shooting a 25-06. It’s frustrating because this guy has done stuff like this more than once and you can't explain to him that a bullets trajectory is not flat. I guess when your lucky like him you don't need to know what the ballistics are; or maybe he just playing stupid but this is not the first person I have came across that thinks the same thing.

Do y'all know anyone like this or is it just me?

 

[220 Swift AI]

Bullets Drop are you sure?

 

[hlee]

What was his zero range?

 

[briscoetab]

100yds. Yes, I'm sure they think that some calibers shoot almost flat, not all but some. They take the term flat shooting literally.

 

[briscoetab]

Ohh forgot to mention he didn't have any idea how far the deer was when he shot it. He thought it was at 300 yds or so. After finding the deer it was measured at 600 + yards.

When he found out how far it actually was and seen where he hit it (which was a couple inches lower than where he thought it would hit) he said "we'll that is about right".

 

[lancetkenyon]

The term "flat shooting bullet" is relative. I think my .25-06AI is a much flatter shooting round than a .30-30. But, I still know my ballistics and have verified them at distance.

But hitting a deer at 600+ yards when you think it is only 300 yds. is a miracle. My .25-06AI zeroed @ 200 yds. (100 gr. TTSX @ 3590fps @ 75 degrees & 1500' elevation) hits about -4.4" @ 300 vs. -46.5" @ 600!

 

[Harvey]

Ohh forgot to mention he didn't have any idea how far the deer was when he shot it. He thought it was at 300 yds or so. After finding the deer it was measured at 600 + yards.

When he found out how far it actually was and seen where he hit it (which was a couple inches lower than where he thought it would hit) he said "we'll that is about right".

If you ask me, a fella that shot a deer at 500 yards "holding just over the shoulder" might be embellishing the story just a bit. But I suppose we all exaggerate now and then.

 

[Rhyno]

Personally I think it has more to do with people not knowing how far something really is. You see it in golf all the time, and I see it in shooting as well.

I remember one day a while ago me and a friend were shooting at 300 yards to get sighted in for that distance for deer hunting, this old guy came out and couldn't believe we were that far back, saying you can't kill a deer from that far away, I asked how far he thought we were, "oh 550-600 yards" no, 300 and the stand I hunt out of rarely sees a shot under 200. But most new hunters think it's way farther.

 

[piglatinhater]

Too many, oddly enough a lot of bow hunters.

 

[Alaskaguide]

I actually had a client tell me that his 30" barreled .300 shot so flat it defied ballistic tables.
Sadly he believed it.

 

[Geno C.]

I actually had a client tell me that his 30" barreled .300 shot so flat it defied ballistic tables.
Sadly he believed it.

LOL! A fool and his money...

 

[kurt]

going to the range the week before deer season is better than any comedy show I have been to

 

[coldboremiracle]

Come to Utah, its full of these fools. Around here, the average shot on a deer/elk is 1000 yards. We live in a ballistic bermuda triangle, where a .270 and a 300rum have the same "couple inches" over his back at 1000.

 

[308Gunner]

Had a guy in the local gun shop said he shoots golf balls @ 1000 to warm up for hogs, I asked him what he shot and he said a Mini14.SHIIIIIIIIT! I am selling my Surgeon

 

[Eastbay]

I was at the range shooting my savage 12 in 22-250 last month when someone came up to me asking me about it and said they used to have a 22-250 that shot flat at 200 and 800 yrds without scope adjustment........lol

 

[Peloton]

There was a group of hunters camped not far from us. They stopped by for beers one night and two of them took deer over 500yds (they said). Not being able to help myself I asked one of them what his holdover was and got the standard, "held the crosshairs at the top of his back." Sigh...expecting that answer I then asked, "You're zero'd at 100yds?" Yup, was the reply. "So how'd you account for the other 45 inches of drop?" He looked at me like I just grew a 3rd eye and then laughed and said, "I'm shooting a .270 and make my own handloads, they shoot really flat."

Not wanting to be "that guy" I just said, "Oh, that makes sense." and grabbed another beer.

 

[hlee]

Yahoos at the gun range? Yep, they're always there. But, deer season really brings them out. At our local range, rifles are supposed to be put in racks behind the benches- action open, magazines out- when the range goes cold. They range officer came by checking rifles and sees the guy next to me left the bolt closed on his rifle. He opened the action and ejected a live round. This happened today.

You hear a lot of BS at the range too. Maybe not as much as at a gun shop as there may be an actual target down range telling the tale, however, it is still a lot. I try to just smile and nod and get out of the conversation to go back to shooting. Why is it the guy next to me always thinks I'm there for the lively conversation?

Most people overestimate the range to target, as most people don't have very much experience estimating range. In fact, max point blank range is designed to combat this very fact. When I was a kid I was told to never aim for air (over the back) because it was more likely the animal was much closer than I thought it was. In my >20 years of of hunting this advice has proven faulty precisely once. Of course, my philosophy of hunting is that hunters are supposed to get CLOSE to their target...

 

[George Az]

I think a 1000 inches is good for a mini 14....................

 

[hlee]

It would take an act of god to hit a golf ball at 1000 inches with a mini14...

 

[Andy27AL]

So with that statement, warming up at 1000 for hogs, one would conclude he is preparing to kill hogs at lets say 1200 with a .223 shooting say 55 grain bullets out of a 16-18 inch barrel. Completely plausible.

 

[kurt]

And theoretically the best time and place to get accidentally shot.

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I've had a guy ask if we were shooting 200yds when we were 550yds out.

And another guy look at a target in the 1200's flat out say "oh no, its not that far away".

Like my LRF was designed to lie to me.

I look like a walking road cone with more orange on at the range than I wear hunting on the off chance I really really need to go there this week or the next. The best question I get is why are you shooting off the ground when there are nice benches right here. They look at me funny when I tell them they are to heavy to carry in the field with me. I also learned that a 25-06 zeroed at 200 is deadly at 600 even on running deer just hold on there back and the bullet is fast and flat enough to get ahead of them. It is bad when my kid looks at me when the guy walks away and says he is full of crap. The only plus is all the once fired brass they leave all over it takes at least a box to get the pie plate zero just right

 

[briscoetab]

My favorite scenes during deer season time occurs at the deer camps.

I don't know how many time I have seen this, deer hunters with rifles that shoot sub-PPA instead of sub-MOA at 100 yards. For some reason we now use sub-MOA as an accuracy standard, doesn't everyone know sub-PPA is the real standard.

For those who don't know what sub-PPA is, it is sub- paper plate of angle or simply paper plate accuracy.

To determine PPA you step off approximately 100 steps (which is the same as 100 yards) hang 1 Dixie paper plate and all 10 hunters fire 2 shoots at plate. If hunter thinks shoot hit plate both times then you have sub-PPA rifle that is good to around 1200 yds and will only drop approximately 10 inches at that distance.

If you only hit paper plate once you have a PPA rifle and still good to 1200yds.

If you missed both times it was only the wind and rifle is good to 1200yds.

 

[jimbo300]

My favorite scenes during deer season time occurs at the deer camps.

I don't know how many time I have seen this, deer hunters with rifles that shoot sub-PPA instead of sub-MOA at 100 yards. For some reason we now use sub-MOA as an accuracy standard, doesn't everyone know sub-PPA is the real standard.

For those who don't know what sub-PPA is, it is sub- paper plate of angle or simply paper plate accuracy.

To determine PPA you step off approximately 100 steps (which is the same as 100 yards) hang 1 Dixie paper plate and all 10 hunters fire 2 shoots at plate. If hunter thinks shoot hit plate both times then you have sub-PPA rifle that is good to around 1200 yds and will only drop approximately 10 inches at that distance.

If you only hit paper plate once you have a PPA rifle and still good to 1200yds.

If you missed both times it was only the wind and rifle is good to 1200yds.

How true! And not to mention that if you were to look at the scopes on their rifles, most are canted to some degree. I have even had a guy tell me "that when he shoulders his rifle he tips the gun over some because it's more comfortable...but the scope is level for him". I didn't even bother to explain how that was going to affect his impacts using his "new" BDC reticle scope. He was already sure anything within range of the reticle was good as dead since he sighted at 100 on a larger than pie plate box.

 

[witchhunter]

A guy was telling me that he sights in his .22/250 at 300 and that it is "dead nuts" out to 1000 yards. I say wow, you must have a great scope, he says nah, I don't believe in paying for scopes, it is a 4x bushnell.