Blackwater founder wrote a book/interview

[ArcticLight]

Leaving politics out, I liked the interview.

I've heard sto ries that these guys did show up when needed.
I think the ignorant masses will always be but I wasn't there - maybe you guys know more.

Is he f ull of it or speaking the truth?

Fast forward past the political part in the first 2 minutes where he blames the cia..

Video - Former Blackwater Head Erik Prince Takes Aim at U.S. Government - WSJ.com

 

[Toebuster]

Interesting, will check out his book, thanks.

 

[EventHorizon]

Before you spend money on him look up the role of Blackwater mercenaries in Katrina.

 

[VTSEAL]

The book is well written, and an enjoyable read. I like that the publisher had other contributors write a 20 page afterward with their perspective on several of the events/situations for those who might not tend to trust Prince's account of things. And the 49 pages of citations and references are there as a stick in the eye of haters and doubters.

 

[Darkside-Six]

I worked for Blackwater/XE for 3 years and worked the Katrina security detail and i'll tell you this, the media has no fucking real clue what goes on. All propaganda, and that's all I'll say about that.

I knew EP was writing a new book but didn't know it came out yet. I'll have to check it out.

 

[EventHorizon]

I worked for Blackwater/XE for 3 years and worked the Katrina security detail and i'll tell you this, the media has no fucking real clue what goes on. All propaganda, and that's all I'll say about that.

I knew EP was writing a new book but didn't know it came out yet. I'll have to check it out.

So there were no forced evictions? No confiscation of firearms illegally? They were all paid actors?

 

[Delta4-3]

I was rushing a wounded guy into the green zone with a bullet hole in his throat from Sadr City. Some backwater guys with four suburbans tried to cut us off to get in the gate. They were going to lunch. We told them what was going on and they still wouldn't move. RIP Debo.

 

[Darkside-Six]

So there were no forced evictions? No confiscation of firearms illegally? They were all paid actors?

first of all, get your fucking facts strait....that was the Governments call, not Blackwater. The Government and the local police made that decision. Blackwater was sent in on the second day of Katrina to run security for Bell south's communication workers. Their execs called with an emergency and Prince sent about 200 of us in without even a contract signed yet so we could help them. When we got down there and found out how bad it was he sent about another 200 down. Let me tell you this.....that place was worse than Iraq, there was nobody out at night except the bad guys. We didn't care about the people looting out of starvation...it was the people robbing the innocent that we intervened with. When The local law enforcement and National Guard were happy we were there in a support roll as they just simply didn't have the man power to get it done. We didn't like pulling people out of their homes, but that is what the government decided. As far as confiscations of weapons, it was martial law. Posse Comitatus was temporarly lifted so unless you were there firsthand and experienced it all, then you don't know shit.

 

[Darkside-Six]

I was rushing a wounded guy into the green zone with a bullet hole in his throat from Sadr City. Some backwater guys with four suburbans tried to cut us off to get in the gate. They were going to lunch. We told them what was going on and they still wouldn't move. RIP Debo.

Sorry to hear that man. There are some real Tools that I worked with but for the most part....mostly good guys. Some of the younger guys were adrenalin junkies who flopped out of SOF so their only hope was BW. I found myself fighting the urge to choke the life out of a few more times than I can count.

 

[Delta4-3]

Unfortunately, I think it's that way with every group of people that carry weapons for a living. I'm just glad its not me and you brother.

Sorry to hear that man. There are some real Tools that I worked with but for the most part....mostly good guys. Some of the younger guys were adrenalin junkies who flopped out of SOF so their only hope was BW. I found myself fighting the urge to choke the life out of a few more times than I can count.

 

[KYpatriot]

first of all, get your fucking facts strait....that was the Governments call, not Blackwater. The Government and the local police made that decision. Blackwater was sent in on the second day of Katrina to run security for Bell south's communication workers. Their execs called with an emergency and Prince sent about 200 of us in without even a contract signed yet so we could help them. When we got down there and found out how bad it was he sent about another 200 down. Let me tell you this.....that place was worse than Iraq, there was nobody out at night except the bad guys. We didn't care about the people looting out of starvation...it was the people robbing the innocent that we intervened with. When The local law enforcement and National Guard were happy we were there in a support roll as they just simply didn't have the man power to get it done. We didn't like pulling people out of their homes, but that is what the government decided. As far as confiscations of weapons, it was martial law. Posse Comitatus was temporarly lifted so unless you were there firsthand and experienced it all, then you don't know shit.

I can say this. I have refused to post anything since this place cowardly went dark on the subject of our rights. But evil sons a bitches like you bring it out of me. You are WRONG no matter what you say to justify yourself. You admit that bad guys are out in force and then you pull people out of their homes and disarm them. Nice.

Hurricane = No Constitution. That about right? Oh, it was the government's call so that makes it ok. The above my paygrade excuse absolves all sins.

This quote about sums it up

"Any man who seeks to deny essential liberty to another without cause, is an evil son of a bitch. He cannot be a “Good Man”. It is irrelevant if his family likes him or if he is kind to animals, sends his mother in-law flowers or makes the trains run on time. It is irrelevant if you served with him, if he has done brave things in the past. No amount of desire to “protect” or to “secure” or “prevent” will improve him. Declarations of his desire to apply “common sense” and be “reasonable” cannot redeem him. His desire to deny essential liberty to one, based on the actions of others reveals the monster that abides in the soul of that man. If he seeks this, stating the loss of liberty is necessary for the health of the society he is the philosophical twin of every tyrant and mass murdering butcher in history. If American society is to survive, the decent, honest citizen must band together to drive these evil people from our society. They must suppress their innate live and let live philosophy and face the unpleasant fact that the man who seeks to deny an individual or a society those essential liberties is a potential killer whose bloody solutions will be incrementally revealed as he gains power."
--Bob Wright.

But hey, at least your avatar is apropos.

 

[Thebelly]

Boy, this sure escalated.

That sure was an interesting video.

 

[Darkside-Six]

I can say this. I have refused to post anything since this place cowardly went dark on the subject of our rights. But evil sons a bitches like you bring it out of me. You are WRONG no matter what you say to justify yourself. You admit that bad guys are out in force and then you pull people out of their homes and disarm them. Nice.

Hurricane = No Constitution. That about right? Oh, it was the government's call so that makes it ok. The above my paygrade excuse absolves all sins.

This quote about sums it up

"Any man who seeks to deny essential liberty to another without cause, is an evil son of a bitch. He cannot be a “Good Man”. It is irrelevant if his family likes him or if he is kind to animals, sends his mother in-law flowers or makes the trains run on time. It is irrelevant if you served with him, if he has done brave things in the past. No amount of desire to “protect” or to “secure” or “prevent” will improve him. Declarations of his desire to apply “common sense” and be “reasonable” cannot redeem him. His desire to deny essential liberty to one, based on the actions of others reveals the monster that abides in the soul of that man. If he seeks this, stating the loss of liberty is necessary for the health of the society he is the philosophical twin of every tyrant and mass murdering butcher in history. If American society is to survive, the decent, honest citizen must band together to drive these evil people from our society. They must suppress their innate live and let live philosophy and face the unpleasant fact that the man who seeks to deny an individual or a society those essential liberties is a potential killer whose bloody solutions will be incrementally revealed as he gains power."
--Bob Wright.

But hey, at least your avatar is apropos.

Again, if you weren't there then don't speak on what you think you know. I didn't see anybody down there that was happy we were pulling people out and disarming them. Not us, not the Army, not the police, and definitely not the gangs of hoodlums roaming the streets praying on the week. There was so much killing down there....you couldn't even imagine my friend. In my 8 years in the Marine Corps I deployed 3 separate times to 3 different combat rich environments. Another 3 years with BW in Iraq, Afghanistan, and mexico and none of them compared to what I saw in New Orleans.....nothing! it was like a 3rd world country. You can piss and moan all you want and call me an evil "son of a bitch" because I worked for a company you dispised all you want, but not everything you read in the paper and see on TV is the absolute truth. Maybe Blackwater is evil, but often times they're a necessary evil.

Let me tell you a little known fact about Erik Prince and Blackwater. My last year with the company there was a Dentist from right here in west Michigan who's daughter was a missionary in Somalia when some tension over there arose and she couldn't get out. After speaking repeatedly with the U.S Consolate trying to help get her out and having no luck, he went to Erik Prince whom he had went to school with as a kid, not even a really good friend but a childhood acquaintance and asked Erik if there was anything he could do to help his daughter. This guy was your average dentist, made a decent living but nothing spectacular and he was willing to mortgage his house and sell everything he owned to pay for their services if Erik could find a way to help. (who wouldn't do that for their kids?) Erik Prince didn't hesitate for a second and sent 12 of us in to pull out her and two other American missionaries on his dime, without charging the families a dime. Bet you never read that in the papers or heard that in the news.

I'm not trying to defend myself or the company that I worked for and say that none of them ever did any wrong, there is always a few bad apples no matter where you go, and like Delta said....it gets that way for anyone who carries a gun. I'm just simply stating that probably 90% of what you read/see in the media is vastly over exaggerated.

 

[KYpatriot]

Oh, well as long as nobody was happy about their unConstitutional actions then all should be forgiven. After all, its the thought that counts right?

You dont have to convince me that New Orleans is a violent dump. I believe everything you are saying. You just don't get it. See, New Orleans isn't Iraq or a third world country, it is on US soil and they are American citizens thus the Constitution applies, no matter how inconvenient.

By the way, you didnt "provide a blanket of freedom" as your signature line says, you provided a blanket of tyranny and then justify it by saying you are a necessary evil.

You bought into the lie that anything the government tells you to do is promoting freedom just because they say so. You are ready and willing to believe it because deep inside you want to be in the right, especially with the risks you take and sacrifices made, so it is easier to just do it. In the balance you have the weight of all the authority and power above you, plus the credibility you spent a lifetime building among the bros on the one hand, and nothing but your own lonely convictions, loss of comraderie, and even loss of livelihood on the other. So I understand it is easy to rationalize your decisions and call it good. But deep down you know I'm right - the real courage isn't saying yes to the worst assignment possible, it is saying NO when everyone else is going along.

I hope you understand what I am saying someday, for your own good and that of this nation.

 

[Slapchop]

I can say this. I have refused to post anything since this place cowardly went dark on the subject of our rights.

Damn shame. Though we often disagreed, I enjoyed reading your posts. When the hammer came down, this place lost a little bit of it's flair. Things aren't the same.

 

[Cartman]

"I cannot recognize the verdict of guilty. . . . It was my misfortune to become entangled in these atrocities. But these misdeeds did not happen according to my wishes. It was not my wish to slay people. . . . Once again I would stress that I am guilty of having been obedient, having subordinated myself to my official duties and the obligations of war service and my oath of allegiance and my oath of office, and in addition, once the war started, there was also martial law. . . . I did not persecute Jews with avidity and passion. That is what the government did. . . . At that time obedience was demanded, just as in the future it will also be demanded of the subordinate." -- Adolf Eichmann

Superior orders - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[GlockBlock]

Saw the book in Sams Club today and thought it was interesting.

 

[EventHorizon]

The irony here is someone who has in a previous life sworn to protect the individual over the whims of the state has totally reversed that position after moving from state employment to private. You don't need a doctorate in PoliSci to see what that means.

 

[Darkside-Six]

The irony here is someone who has in a previous life sworn to protect the individual over the whims of the state has totally reversed that position after moving from state employment to private. You don't need a doctorate in PoliSci to see what that means.

So what about the law enforcement and National Guard that carried out the same orders?? I'm sure they didn't like it as well yet because I was getting paid to be there and was in the private sector it's all my fault?? Maybe you should watch this.....around the 4:15 mark.


We all claim the blanket of freedom and rights here in America.....but if there was a Terrorist cell with a Nuke or a dirty bomb on U.S soil and the Government had to resort to martial law to prevent a national crisis.......95% of us deep down would be all for it. Just like Gitmo....people bitched and moaned at the harsh treatment and interigation tactics used but the bottom line is the intelligence gathered from it saved many many lives.

you can bitch and moan and call me evil all you want. it was a job, and nothing more. at that time combat was all I knew, just like many guys my age who went into the service right out of high school. We didn't just ride around Baghdad looking for some innocent civies to shoot so don't judge an operation from an armchair.

I'm done, this thread has gotten way off topic, sorry to the OP.

 

[LRI]

3x years in Gaghdad working side by side with BeeDub. For every phukk up there was a thousand things they did right. Theres doosh baggers in every buch. Its never perfect and war zones bring out the best and worst in everyone.

What I find interesting is why Prince is suddenly coming into the public forum. For the most part the SRM field is one where you avoid being in the lime light. I knew guys fired for facebook pages that were too "vocal". My gut says hes up to something. Public office maybe?

Just a thought...

 

[EventHorizon]

So what about the law enforcement and National Guard that carried out the same orders?? I'm sure they didn't like it as well yet because I was getting paid to be there and was in the private sector it's all my fault?? Maybe you should watch this.....around the 4:15 mark.


We all claim the blanket of freedom and rights here in America.....but if there was a Terrorist cell with a Nuke or a dirty bomb on U.S soil and the Government had to resort to martial law to prevent a national crisis.......95% of us deep down would be all for it. Just like Gitmo....people bitched and moaned at the harsh treatment and interigation tactics used but the bottom line is the intelligence gathered from it saved many many lives.

you can bitch and moan and call me evil all you want. it was a job, and nothing more. at that time combat was all I knew, just like many guys my age who went into the service right out of high school. We didn't just ride around Baghdad looking for some innocent civies to shoot so don't judge an operation from an armchair.

I'm done, this thread has gotten way off topic, sorry to the OP.

DS6 - I'm not saying it's all your fault and as for the others who did the same, well, my views and comments apply equally. It may well have been just a job but it's not or was not a job that carried little consequence.

Regarding Gitmo. There's no doubt the info gathered has been put to use, that's not the point. The police could probably solve many more crimes if they could torture suspects, does that mean they should? Would you want to live in a society like that? Do you think that's what America ought to be? Rhetorical questions.

BTW - there's nothing about looting, killing etc that applies to breaking into people's homes, turfing them out and confiscating their legally obtained, rightfully theirs means of self-defense in what you called yourself a killing zone. If you found the task distasteful then it's a pity you didn't stop but that's on you and it seems you're OK with it.

 

[Slapchop]

This thread is starting to remind me of the old Batman episodes.

 

[Sako man]

first of all, get your fucking facts strait....that was the Governments call, not Blackwater. The Government and the local police made that decision. Blackwater was sent in on the second day of Katrina to run security for Bell south's communication workers. Their execs called with an emergency and Prince sent about 200 of us in without even a contract signed yet so we could help them. When we got down there and found out how bad it was he sent about another 200 down. Let me tell you this.....that place was worse than Iraq, there was nobody out at night except the bad guys. We didn't care about the people looting out of starvation...it was the people robbing the innocent that we intervened with. When The local law enforcement and National Guard were happy we were there in a support roll as they just simply didn't have the man power to get it done. We didn't like pulling people out of their homes, but that is what the government decided. As far as confiscations of weapons, it was martial law. Posse Comitatus was temporarly lifted so unless you were there firsthand and experienced it all, then you don't know shit.

Just how was it worse than a war zone? Were there firefights going on? Were there roaming gangs of cannibals looking for dinner? Not throwing stones at you here, there has been enough of that. I'm just trying to understand what the media missed, and they always seem to miss the facts.

It breaks me up tho to see those armed buggers forcing people out of their homes guns drawn. Those people needed support and food, not a gun to the head. I know that probably silly of me to think that people could be so nice. Shit maybe I'm naive.

But seriously, was everyone up in arms because people were getting killed in mass murders? As a layperson I just don't understand the context.

 

[sharac]

You should be grateful for people like Ds-6 as they bring you insight into logic and thinking of members of various goon squads (official or unofficial) and give you an ability to estimate how things will escalate and go down when SHTF really hits. Prepare accordingly.

I'm sorry to be blunt but you guys have had it too good for too long and kind of forgot what this world really is and that "your greatest nation under god" has degenerated to the point of being 3rd world dump when conditions are just right (not saying other countries are not but you're just not used to seeing that at home).

Some (those with balls to face reality) of you know that and prepare for it, some (smart ones, today only fools and people in denial fail to grasp gravity of situation) rang alarm bells about it when we were just in diapers and there are some who are in for some nasty surprises. And as in great tradition of your nation - you have a choice what you'll be.

 

[Darkside-Six]

Just how was it worse than a war zone? Were there firefights going on? Were there roaming gangs of cannibals looking for dinner? Not throwing stones at you here, there has been enough of that. I'm just trying to understand what the media missed, and they always seem to miss the facts.

It breaks me up tho to see those armed buggers forcing people out of their homes guns drawn. Those people needed support and food, not a gun to the head. I know that probably silly of me to think that people could be so nice. Shit maybe I'm naive.

But seriously, was everyone up in arms because people were getting killed in mass murders? As a layperson I just don't understand the context.

That statement may have been slightly over exagerated, i've been to a few war zones. I guess what I was trying to say is that it was hard to believe it was actually America when you rolled down the streets. Tons of murders on a day/nightly basis, people robbing other poeple. Yes there were firefights all the time. Dead bodies floating down the street or just laying in the road un covered. There was fucking Alligators floating down the streets eating all the dead bodies.

As i said above, our role there was to run security for Bell South and it's employees why they worked on getting comunications back online. WE were not their primarly in a policing role. The national guard asked us to hlep them "evacuate" some poeple from a nicer sub-division so we did. Other than that the only people we kicked out of anytign was some squatters held up in an office building owned by Bell South. When the NG asked for our help we olidged but half the guys bitched because we were not suppose to be doing the work of the police.
We didn't storm into anyones house in full force and kick them out, didn't try and confiscate any weapons, just asked them to leave as that is what the Army and police wanted. When we did see people carrying a gun down the street we asked them to hand it over. Few of us eve appologized for having to do it. I'm not saying that shit might have went down elsewhere, but the entire time I was there nothing happened the way some of these people are describing, nothing like that that i saw.

 

[Sean the Nailer]

We didn't storm into anyones house in full force and kick them out, didn't try and confiscate any weapons, just asked them to leave as that is what the Army and police wanted. When we did see people carrying a gun down the street we asked them to hand it over. Few of us eve appologized for having to do it.

Is this not the 'crux' of the matter? The point of this whole derailment, from what started out as a discussion on a recent book release? It's ironic that I'm adding to the sway, sure. But have you sat back and read what you've typed? How do you yourself differentiate such statements between this and 'echo's of Nuremberg'?

Also, as has been stated previous,,, there can be a thousand great things done each day. And that is respectable and valiant. It is when there are a few 'not-so-great' (read: despicable) things that are getting the attention and derision. And that apparently is the rallying cry of many. Can you blame them?

 

[Jong]

Before you spend money on him look up the role of Blackwater mercenaries in Katrina.

Are you intentionally trying to make yourself look like an ignorant hick? Do you even know what a mercenary is?

We didn't storm into anyones house in full force and kick them out, didn't try and confiscate any weapons, just asked them to leave as that is what the Army and police wanted. When we did see people carrying a gun down the street we asked them to hand it over. Few of us eve appologized for having to do it. I'm not saying that shit might have went down elsewhere, but the entire time I was there nothing happened the way some of these people are describing, nothing like that that i saw.

Were they committing a crime? What authority did you think you had or anyone had to do this? If this was law abiding citizen, you just took away their right to defend yourself!! You said you were a Marine, did you confiscate every weapon you came across while you were in Iraq, even though they had a RIGHT to own one AK per male in that household? All my unit ever did was take the bolts out of the AKs while we were in the area and then give them back after we were done. You swore to defend the Constitution at one time but I guess you forgot that and I really don't want to hear that I wasn't there man. I am doing the job you used to do in Afghanistan and have spent more time in Iraq than I have in the US since 05 and I think your excuses absolutely suck. I would have left right there if I was on a job in the US and my supervisor told me to just confiscate weapons from anyone I see on the street.

 

[Jong]

I was rushing a wounded guy into the green zone with a bullet hole in his throat from Sadr City. Some backwater guys with four suburbans tried to cut us off to get in the gate. They were going to lunch. We told them what was going on and they still wouldn't move. RIP Debo.

That is fucked up beyond anything that I can comprehend. Having been both deployed with the Marines in Iraq and also worked in Iraq I can't believe that happened. All the guys that I have ever worked with are either former military or cops and almost everyone would have went out of their way to have helped rather than hindered you guys and being a medic I would have asked if you needed my assistance at all. You guys must have run into the fucktards that do exist everywhere.

 

[wake.joe]

Don't steal people's civil rights. No matter who tells you it's "O.K."

A little brain power and courage could go a long way.

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[Oakflat]

Your Blackwater Badge wouldn't have been welcome on my front porch.

 

[Flyingbullseye]

Your Blackwater Badge wouldn't have been welcome on my front porch.

That blackwater badge would have probably shot you for that.

Jong, we are a grateful nation for your service and honor. Don't ever change.

 

[EventHorizon]

That blackwater badge would have probably shot you for that.

Are you saying he would not be justified in pushing back against the goons forcing their way into his home but they justified in killing him?

 

[usmc02xx]

tag while popcorn is cooking

 

[Flyingbullseye]

Are you saying he would not be justified in pushing back against the goons forcing their way into his home but they justified in killing him?

Not in the least, he'd be completely justified in pushing back. For standing up for his right he'd most likely get shot for it.

 

[KYpatriot]

Is it funny or tragic that Darkside "liked" the Eichmann quote Cartman posted?

Anyone that thinks that there aren't plenty of federal/local goons willing to violate your rights needs to read this thread since they apparently don't read history.

Since we are exposing the truth I fully expect this to be locked soon to make room for another "which is better, Harris or Atlas" thread.

Fiddle on Hide, while Rome burns. You have the audience we need to reach. God help us if we don't reach them.

 

[GlockBlock]

That statement may have been slightly over exagerated, i've been to a few war zones. I guess what I was trying to say is that it was hard to believe it was actually America when you rolled down the streets. Tons of murders on a day/nightly basis, people robbing other poeple. Yes there were firefights all the time. Dead bodies floating down the street or just laying in the road un covered. There was fucking Alligators floating down the streets eating all the dead bodies.

And yet you didn't shoot the alligators did you? With all that crime going on, don't you think if there were any time to allow people to keep their guns it would be when crime is known to be extremely high?

WE were not their primarly in a policing role.

But you were doing some policing right?

The national guard asked us to hlep them "evacuate" some poeple from a nicer sub-division so we did. Other than that the only people we kicked out of anytign was some squatters held up in an office building owned by Bell South. When the NG asked for our help we olidged but half the guys bitched because we were not suppose to be doing the work of the police.

You put evacuate in quotations, not any of us. You know what you mean by putting it into quotations. I take it to mean it was kinda sorta in a way evacuation, but not truthfully, and you know that. Hence the quotations.


When asked to evacuate their nice neighborhood did they have a choice? I am not sure about this but I have to assume the answer is no. These people couldn't just shut their door and say thanks but no thanks. They were leaving whether they wanted to or not is my guess. Feel free to tell me I'm wrong on this one as I will admit ignorance here.

We didn't storm into anyones house in full force and kick them out, didn't try and confiscate any weapons, just asked them to leave as that is what the Army and police wanted. When we did see people carrying a gun down the street we asked them to hand it over.

Are you fucking retarded or is English your second language? What happened when they said no? You went on your merry way? Yeah, I didn't think so. You can lie to yourself all you want, not to me.

Few of us eve appologized for having to do it. I'm not saying that shit might have went down elsewhere, but the entire time I was there nothing happened the way some of these people are describing, nothing like that that i saw.

Oh it went down where you were, you were even part of it, you're just too stupid to see it.

 

[usmc02xx]

Is it funny or tragic that Darkside "liked" the Eichmann quote Cartman posted?

Anyone that thinks that there aren't plenty of federal/local goons willing to violate your rights needs to read this thread since they apparently don't read history.

Since we are exposing the truth I fully expect this to be locked soon to make room for another "which is better, Harris or Atlas" thread.

Fiddle on Hide, while Rome burns. You have the audience we need to reach. God help us if we don't reach them.

lol, he also liked the one (from sharac) that basically said we should all be happy that hes talking out and letting us see what people in goon-squads think when they come to take part in screwing us over... im really curious as to why the fuck he would like that. When its all said and done i agree that some crazy ass people were running around, but the solution to that doesnt include taking the arms of everyone else. I dont give a flying fuck at a cheerio what agency/authority told DS6 to take away people arms. The only acceptable answer to that request is no. Guard who you want, and if someone attacks you then by all means drop them. But no crime, no arrest, no siezures.

What i find worse thatn ds6's crazy respinse was taht he was asked/told to do it in the first place. I am left wondering what teh response would have been if the person said no. Forceably disarm, lethal force. I got no problems with contractors, but they must also understand that when they stand with a tyrannical leadership that people may not respond so kindly. I'll be damned before another american tells me to surrender my weapons in a time like that. It could possibly turn violent.

 

[usmc02xx]

ok, this is probably a little wrong. i went to the profile and saw this. made me giggle.

 

[Phil1]

lol, he also liked the one (from sharac) that basically said we should all be happy that hes talking out and letting us see what people in goon-squads think when they come to take part in screwing us over... im really curious as to why the fuck he would like that. When its all said and done i agree that some crazy ass people were running around, but the solution to that doesnt include taking the arms of everyone else. I dont give a flying fuck at a cheerio what agency/authority told DS6 to take away people arms. The only acceptable answer to that request is no. Guard who you want, and if someone attacks you then by all means drop them. But no crime, no arrest, no siezures.

What i find worse thatn ds6's crazy respinse was taht he was asked/told to do it in the first place. I am left wondering what teh response would have been if the person said no. Forceably disarm, lethal force. I got no problems with contractors, but they must also understand that when they stand with a tyrannical leadership that people may not respond so kindly. I'll be damned before another american tells me to surrender my weapons in a time like that. It could possibly turn violent.

I was going to quote your "popcorn" reply but I like this one better. I love the "Admit Nothing, Deny Everything, Make counter accusations...." even more.

Finding the person who will say no to an order from his employer, commander, etc. when the order is wrong. When all those around them go with the "consensus" or majority is seldom the norm. It requires an iron will of ethical mind over consequence.

 

[usmc02xx]

I was going to quote your "popcorn" reply but I like this one better. I love the "Admit Nothing, Deny Everything, Make counter accusations...." even more.

Finding the person who will say no to an order from his employer, commander, etc. when the order is wrong. When all those around them go with the "consensus" or majority is seldom the norm. It requires an iron will of ethical mind over consequence.

that is true, but ive often found that when one person speaks up, others that KNOW it is BS tend to back them up. even if they didnt have it in them to say it themselves.

thanks on the quote thing, thats from Class of 1992 - Dam Neck, VA

 

[SuckitTrebek]

That statement may have been slightly over exagerated, i've been to a few war zones. I guess what I was trying to say is that it was hard to believe it was actually America when you rolled down the streets. Tons of murders on a day/nightly basis, people robbing other poeple. Yes there were firefights all the time. Dead bodies floating down the street or just laying in the road un covered. There was fucking Alligators floating down the streets eating all the dead bodies.

As i said above, our role there was to run security for Bell South and it's employees why they worked on getting comunications back online. WE were not their primarly in a policing role. The national guard asked us to hlep them "evacuate" some poeple from a nicer sub-division so we did. Other than that the only people we kicked out of anytign was some squatters held up in an office building owned by Bell South. When the NG asked for our help we olidged but half the guys bitched because we were not suppose to be doing the work of the police.
We didn't storm into anyones house in full force and kick them out, didn't try and confiscate any weapons, just asked them to leave as that is what the Army and police wanted. When we did see people carrying a gun down the street we asked them to hand it over. Few of us eve appologized for having to do it. I'm not saying that shit might have went down elsewhere, but the entire time I was there nothing happened the way some of these people are describing, nothing like that that i saw.

Some motherfuckers don't get it. Maybe your one of them. You don't take away the rights of a person to bear arms. Period. And you did just that for a paycheck, claiming you had to because of orders. You could have walked off the job, but you took the easy pay day. No one has the right to disarm the citizens of this country.

And yeah, I know what BW is all about. Worked for them for a few years. I could have gone to a Katrina when that went down. But I was too busy on the real contracts. From what I saw they were digging up any douchebag they could find to go fill slots for katrina. yeah, I was down there in moyock when it all happened. Bunch of old fat retired cops and guys that didn't have the resume for psd work.

And for the record, most of the guys I worked with were outstanding, honorable men. There's always that 10% wherever you go.


And for the rest of you. You don't know a damn thing about contract work. Or as one tool put it above "mercenary" work.
All you know is what you see on cnn and read in books. So if you weren't there and never worked for a company like BW
keep your yapper shut, your part of the problem.

 

[Darkside-Six]

so, evidently nobody watched the video I posted above huh? I don't see or hear anyone bitching about all them National Guardsman and Police that were told to use "intimidating persuasion" but because I spoke up and said I worked for Blackwater all of a sudden I'm the lowest piece of shit on earth.

When I put the word "evacuate" like that in quotations that is because that is exactly what we were asked to help with by the Army. That's what we were told we were doing...evacuating people out of a dangerous are after a national catastrophy. We "Evacuated" one neighborhood, we didn't go in and asked them to give us all their guns, we didn't give a flying fuck who had guns as long as they were not shooting at us or shooting innocent people in front of us. We knocked on doors politely and told the people that they were evacuating the area. Again as I said above, the only time we took guns from anyone it was outside a building where we were working in from a couple of people that in all honesty looked like a bunch of gangbangers. We told them the police doesn't want anyone walking around with firearms. So, I guess maybe I am guilty of profiling....so be it. And when I say "WE" I mean the group that I was with, I can't speak for the entire company and i'm sure there was possibly some Blackwater contractors somewhere down there fucking something up.

There was a fucking national crisis going on and with all the murders and violent crimes going on maybe we didn't stop and think about things like this, but I guess at the time they were tying to stop ALL the crime.

People act like everyone that works for Blackwater are a bunch of shoot to thrill fast flying wanna shoot a motherfucker kind of people. that is far from the truth. 90% of them were all ex-military and the rest are ex law enforcement. When We were in Iraq, there were countless times we got a call to come to the aid of a military unit, and we did...without hesitation. The military often came to our aid as well.

It may be hard to understand what i'm getting at as it's often hard to understand the context of things written, but everyone is jumping down my throat like i'm the devil so no matter what I say, they're still gonna hate.

I'm going to stand by my original comment in that 90% of the media and people have no real idea what Blackwater actually judge, they don't here about the good, only the bad.

Again, sorry this thread turned away from it's purpose and became a flame war. That's all i'm gonna say.

 

[scharfschutze762]

So what about the law enforcement and National Guard that carried out the same orders?? I'm sure they didn't like it as well yet because I was getting paid to be there and was in the private sector it's all my fault?? Maybe you should watch this.....around the 4:15 mark.


We all claim the blanket of freedom and rights here in America.....but if there was a Terrorist cell with a Nuke or a dirty bomb on U.S soil and the Government had to resort to martial law to prevent a national crisis.......95% of us deep down would be all for it. Just like Gitmo....people bitched and moaned at the harsh treatment and interigation tactics used but the bottom line is the intelligence gathered from it saved many many lives.

you can bitch and moan and call me evil all you want. it was a job, and nothing more. at that time combat was all I knew, just like many guys my age who went into the service right out of high school. We didn't just ride around Baghdad looking for some innocent civies to shoot so don't judge an operation from an armchair.

I'm done, this thread has gotten way off topic, sorry to the OP.

I took my first post down but I cant get over of the fact you and I wore the same uniforms and took the same oath. You could have passed up or even walked off the job like many others did including L.E. but i guess the dollar guided your judgement. You had no fucking right or authority to disarm any fucking american and you spew shit out of your mouth with justifications for martial law and disarmament and how deep down how most american would support it.

 

[Darkside-Six]

Some motherfuckers don't get it. Maybe your one of them. You don't take away the rights of a person to bear arms. Period. And you did just that for a paycheck, claiming you had to because of orders. You could have walked off the job, but you took the easy pay day. No one has the right to disarm the citizens of this country.

And yeah, I know what BW is all about. Worked for them for a few years. I could have gone to a Katrina when that went down. But I was too busy on the real contracts. From what I saw they were digging up any douchebag they could find to go fill slots for katrina. yeah, I was down there in moyock when it all happened. Bunch of old fat retired cops and guys that didn't have the resume for psd work.

And for the record, most of the guys I worked with were outstanding, honorable men. There's always that 10% wherever you go.


And for the rest of you. You don't know a damn thing about contract work. Or as one tool put it above "mercenary" work.
All you know is what you see on cnn and read in books. So if you weren't there and never worked for a company like BW
keep your yapper shut, your part of the problem.

Oh, I get it. Maybe I didn't think about it at the time.....under the circumstances, but I guess if someone would have spoke up about disarming Americans then it would have made better sense then. I was honestly just there running private security work, when we were asked to help, we did....and that's what we thought we were doing at the time. And I do hold the Resume for the "real contracts" Worked plenty of PSD before Katrina and after.

I took my first post down but I cant get over of the fact you and I wore the same uniforms and took the same oath. You could have passed up or even walked off the job like many others did including L.E. but i guess the dollar guided your judgement. You had no fucking right or authority to disarm any fucking american and you spew shit out of your mouth with justifications for martial law and disarmament and how deep down how most american would support it. Your fucking a traitor and perfect canidate for a brown shirt.

You know, out of all the bashing comments this is probably the only one that gets to me brother. No matter how I try and describe it, it all comes out wrong and makes me sound like a bad buy, but to be called a traitor.....that's deep. Every male in my family has served. I spent 8 years and 3 deployments.....got injured, lost friends in my arms and bled for my country. I guarantee you the last thing I am my friend is a traitor.

 

[Phil1]

Oh, I get it. Maybe I didn't think about it at the time.....under the circumstances, but I guess if someone would have spoke up about disarming Americans then it would have made better sense then. I was honestly just there running private security work, when we were asked to help, we did....and that's what we thought we were doing at the time. And I do hold the Resume for the "real contracts" Worked plenty of PSD before Katrina and after.



You know, out of all the bashing comments this is probably the only one that gets to me brother. No matter how I try and describe it, it all comes out wrong and makes me sound like a bad buy, but to be called a traitor.....that's deep. Every male in my family has served. I spent 8 years and 3 deployments.....got injured, lost friends in my arms and bled for my country. I guarantee you the last thing I am my friend is a traitor.

You probably aren't a bad guy but this thread is like many involving LE where they for whatever reason infringe on gun rights. Heaven help the cops involved or those who defend them.

This is a gun forum after all and those rights are above... well they are defended with vigor.

 

[scharfschutze762]

Bro what youve done and sacrificed for this country is over the top of whats expected of any American so yeah the traitor label was very out of line but please use the right judgement while operating on american spoil. And in no way was I bashing BW. I think they were some of the best contractors in Iraq.

 

[EventHorizon]

Some motherfuckers don't get it. Maybe your one of them. You don't take away the rights of a person to bear arms. Period. And you did just that for a paycheck, claiming you had to because of orders. You could have walked off the job, but you took the easy pay day. No one has the right to disarm the citizens of this country.

And yeah, I know what BW is all about. Worked for them for a few years. I could have gone to a Katrina when that went down. But I was too busy on the real contracts. From what I saw they were digging up any douchebag they could find to go fill slots for katrina. yeah, I was down there in moyock when it all happened. Bunch of old fat retired cops and guys that didn't have the resume for psd work.

And for the record, most of the guys I worked with were outstanding, honorable men. There's always that 10% wherever you go.


And for the rest of you. You don't know a damn thing about contract work. Or as one tool put it above "mercenary" work.
All you know is what you see on cnn and read in books. So if you weren't there and never worked for a company like BW
keep your yapper shut, your part of the problem.

If you'd prefer to be called "private military contractor' or some other euphemism then that's up to you. My distaste for politically correct bullshit labels that seek to gloss over an uncomfortable truth or obvious fact doesn't just apply to gender/race so I'll use mercenary. If somehow you suggest my doing so is 'part of the problem' then I guess you have the broadest definition of problem possible in which case by virtue of being alive we're all part of the problem...

This meme of 'if you weren't there, then you don't have the right to an opinion' is just plain silly. I'll wager you have views on things you have no direct first hand knowledge of.

 

[EventHorizon]

I was going to quote your "popcorn" reply but I like this one better. I love the "Admit Nothing, Deny Everything, Make counter accusations...." even more.

Finding the person who will say no to an order from his employer, commander, etc. when the order is wrong. When all those around them go with the "consensus" or majority is seldom the norm. It requires an iron will of ethical mind over consequence.

With a previous employer I was asked to assist in the technical/commercial proposal to a foreign government for data capture capabilities. This is/was a deeply unethical government with a recent reputation of mass murder of protesters. I declined to either be part of the presentation team or to work on the proposal in anyway. I was told in no uncertain terms that given the size of the contract involved it would not look good for me.

In no way is what I did the same as denying an illegal order in a 'hot' situation, but we can all make our stand where and when the opportunity presents itself. I'm not typically a brave person, but that's one of the moments I look back on with some satisfaction.

 

[Slapchop]

I try not to speak for others but I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that what I think Darkside six is trying to say is that he wasn't down there kicking in doors, disarming old ladies and law abiding folks. Something that many, myself included would have a problem with. Seems to me like he was taking guns off the hands of people who were using them for no good and to commit crimes (read criminals/savages). Something I have zero problems with.

Feel free to confirm my thoughts DS6.

The 2nd Amendment and the protection of those rights is a very sensitive subject here and any action that is even remotely seen as an attempt to strip those rights will be met with overwhelming and fierce opposition and rightfully so.

I can't even begin to imagine some of the unprecedented horrors that some of these guys saw while down there during the aftermath of Katrina. What DS6 and others witnessed I'm sure was magnified ten times worse because it was happening on modern day American soil. Needless to say, those who've been around for a bit know that during extreme times, sometimes you need to take extreme measures. I have no problems with him, the Army, feds or local cops going into harms way and confronting/disarming the marauding bands of criminals who were exploiting the situation and preying on the weak.

The shit that was being perpetrated on law abiding Americans is a whole different animal and it's easy to see why, if people misconstrue what you say, you're getting the wrath of the Hide.

 

[Darkside-Six]

I try not to speak for others but I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that what I think Darkside six is trying to say is that he wasn't down there kicking in doors, disarming old ladies and law abiding folks. Something that many, myself included would have a problem with. Seems to me like he was taking guns off the hands of people who were using them for no good and to commit crimes (read criminals/savages). Something I have zero problems with.

Feel free to confirm my thoughts DS6.

The 2nd Amendment and the protection of those rights is a very sensitive subject here and any action that is even remotely seen as an attempt to strip those rights will be met with overwhelming and fierce opposition and rightfully so.

I can't even begin to imagine some of the unprecedented horrors that some of these guys saw while down there during the aftermath of Katrina. What DS6 and others witnessed I'm sure was magnified ten times worse because it was happening on modern day American soil. Needless to say, those who've been around for a bit know that during extreme times, sometimes you need to take extreme measures. I have no problems with him, the Army, feds or local cops going into harms way and confronting/disarming the marauding bands of criminals who were exploiting the situation and preying on the weak.

The shit that was being perpetrated on law abiding Americans is a whole different animal and it's easy to see why, if people misconstrue what you say, you're getting the wrath of the Hide.

Thank you!! yes, that is the point I was trying to get acrossed this whole time. Sometimes my mouth is faster than my brain and I jump in peoples shit when they have the wrong opinion of things i'm very passionate about. Case in point, the fact that so many people think that everyone who works for a private contracting service is just a bunch of no brain, kill hungry douche bags, and that can't be farther from the truth.

Thanks for elaborating on this shit, sometimes I know what I want to say in my head....how to get it acrossed, but can't seem to write it out. Good thing I gave up on my writing career many years ago.

and for the record, I am very pro gun, and pro 2nd amendment.