Hi everyone, I'm new to the forum, and I'm sure it's been beat to death, but I'm looking to get into 600-1000yd target shooting and an trying to decide on which rifle would be best for me. First off, I have been leaning towards a 300win mag, but I can't decide on the rifle. I like remingtons, but fear they're quality has declined over the years, and have found savage to be an excellent value, so I'm torn between buying a remington 700 police or building off of 700 action and buying a savage 110fcp hs precision or building off of an 110 action or stevens 200 action. The things I don't like About the 110 fcp hs percision, are the short barrel, no brake, no cheek piece. In order to qualify to shoot on the 600-1000 range it needs to group .5-1 moa at 100yd. Thanks for your help
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Savage 12 LRP... that is all you need to know. I don't know your budget, but that is what I would do. I am saying the LRP, because I am not a fan of the 300WM. Any of the LRP calibers are enough rifle to get you to the magical 1000 yard mark, with great accuracy, and NOT beat the snot out of you... carry on.
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Thisis the only gun I know of (under $1k) that can do what you are looking for without any additional pieces. Obviously scope would be needed, but you could shoot off bags and eliminate the need for a bipod too.
Good advice given already. For every one of us shooting a $7k (or more) rifle/optic setup to 1000 or farther, there's at least one guy doing the same thing with a sub $2k Savage setup.
That LRP in 6.5CM would have been a VERY appealing option to me had it been available years ago. You may need a stock-pack with some padding under it to get a cheek weld with a large objective scope until you figure out if you want to upgrade the stock, but that's a hell of a starting point on a budget.
That LRP in 6.5CM would have been a VERY appealing option to me had it been available years ago. You may need a stock-pack with some padding under it to get a cheek weld with a large objective scope until you figure out if you want to upgrade the stock, but that's a hell of a starting point on a budget.
I debated between a Remington and Savage 12 LRP for my first rifle and after shooting a LRP for the first time recently I wish that is the route I had taken. I've already had to buy a new stock for my AAC-SD and still want to replace the trigger. It's still very sensitive to small load changes whereas I saw a 12LRP shooting a wide range of loads at under an inch during load development.
To make my rifle what I would really want I'm also looking at more money to switch to a 6.5CM or 260. All of this will blow it so far past the price of a LRP and I doubt it would be as accurate.
Have barrel threaded on Savage for when I get suppressor and optics and I would have been finished with it.
To make my rifle what I would really want I'm also looking at more money to switch to a 6.5CM or 260. All of this will blow it so far past the price of a LRP and I doubt it would be as accurate.
Have barrel threaded on Savage for when I get suppressor and optics and I would have been finished with it.
yes it has, but ask it again anyways, it gives others the chance to practice their keystrokes, And regurgitate the same answers they got a few weeks/months ago.
I appreciate everyones responses. I know a lot of people that have been preaching about the 6.5 and .260, but other than recoil, what are its advantages over the .300wm. The reason I was leaving toward the .300wm was because I originally wanted a .338 but then started researching quality ammo and figured I could shoot the .300 2-3x as much but still feel like I was shooting a powerful gun. Also I haven't seen much in the way of 6.5 or .260 ammo locally or online. Do you have problems finding it?
6.5 Creedmoor is not hard to find. Hornady makes it as a factory load and its even in stock right now at midway.
I recently sourced 700 rounds for myself at $1.20 shipped. Thats the 140 Amax.
I recently sourced 700 rounds for myself at $1.20 shipped. Thats the 140 Amax.
Is another reason needed? I don't know about you but I like to shoot more than 5 rounds when I find the time. The 300WM is a serious round and awesome for long range hunting whether for 2 or 4 legs. But as a target caliber it's horrible with much better options. The 6.5's will get you to 1K with no issues and will be easier on you, your rifle and your wallet. Visit any long range club and you will not see many (if any) magnum calibers on the line. They are just not needed. Shoot 10 rounds in a row and see how well your "flinch" develops.
I'm a Savage nut. The LRP is an awesome factory rifle that as stated above will do the job for a great price. If your into tweaking, build what you want. Savage undesignated Target or Varmint action with the barrel and stock of your choice. I assembled mine with a SS Varmint Action, Shilen barrel in an XLR chassis. It shoots with the best of them.
Even with a brake or can the 300wm will beat you down if its not in a boat anchor stock. 6.5cm will have dang near the same ballistics as 300wm but have less recoil and be cheaper to shoot.
AI AX you get what you pay for
He said "for the money", the $900 lrp 6.5cm will run right along with the AX for 1/6th the price. An AI wont make your wiener any bigger but the lrp will make all the guys who have 10k into their guns look like fools.
I had a stock factory Remington 700 XCR Compact Tactical 20" in 308 that was pretty accurate out to 1,000- 1,200 yards.
On the cheap, Rem 700 5r or Sendero II.
I definitely like the 12 lrp, let's say I go that route, 6.5 vs .260 for any practical uses, groundhog, 2 legged animal etc... also can you get larger mags for those?
Academy here locally sometimes has 6.5 ammo on the shelves.
6.5 and 260 is debated a ton on here, plenty of threads to search and make up your own mind. In one of the other lrp threads some posted a link to a guy who makes 10rd mags for the factory savage dbm.
I see those guys all the time at the range too. I chug along with my lowly 308 5r and handloads printing sub half inch groups pretty easily and the guys with custom rifles shooting 2" groups. I think some people buy the pretty guns just as a bragging talk piece instead of learning to outshoot a factory gun and actually need a custom gun.Sure it will...don't you read the internet shooting forums?
Ya, I seen those types too, sit at the 100yd range all day, printing one 1/2" group after another. Get em out into the real world, no paper, no bench, no berms, just you, the dirt, the wind, and a target. Make it count.
Ok, I guess that kind of pushes me towards the .260. Now optics, anybody have experience with Zeiss conquest and suggestions for mounts and rings
This made me chuckle. I have loan guys with custom built rifles my AW so they could finish a match after there rifle went down. I didn't mind and didn't look foolish.
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Nutt
Out of all the different kinds of shooting I've done setting up on a prairie dog town from 500ish yds away was the most demanding shooting I've done. Varying distances, small targets and having to shoot quick while they move. Especially with the slower loads like my 223 77gr and 308 178gr load. 22-250s make it too easy.
Cool story bro, tell me more stories justifying you spending twice the money over a match proven custom rifle from any of the top tier builders on here and not getting any better of a rifle. Congrats on your status symbol, maybe one day the guys on the podium shooting GAPs, Longrifles, PCRs etc will give a shit about spending twice the money for a bling rifle.
This seems to me like a decent value. ARMSLIST - For Sale: .260 Custom build
I like how people get pretty arrogant about what they decide to shoot.
I have an FN SPR that I got from Tactical Coordination. It's probably the best value out there right now as far as an entry level rifle.
It's definitely made with the idea of being a field rifle though.
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I have an FN SPR that I got from Tactical Coordination. It's probably the best value out there right now as far as an entry level rifle.
It's definitely made with the idea of being a field rifle though.
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I have everything from a Savage 10FP to an AI and my wiener is the same size. I don't have 10K in my AI but close, and I don't feel like a fool, even a little bit. I have them for the same reason that rock stars date super models, because they can. For the "money", it is tough to beat a Savage, because when you're pickin' fly shit out of pepper, the wind call will win at distance.
My comments were in reference to the guy that said " you get what you pay for" when the AI rifles are well past the point of diminishing returns and shouldnt be mentioned in a thread where bang for the buck is mentioned. If you got 10k to blow just necause then let her rip tater chip.
savage or remington either way you go i don't think a 300 win mag should be your choice. I've had a ton of fun with my 7-08 and my 7mag. during the ammo scare i still didn't have a problem finding rounds, factory or reloading components except primers. as far as what action to start with it seems to be very divided between remington and savage. i have and shoot both all the time they have there pros and cons one thing i
like a lot is the barrel nut on the savage so you can change calibers easily and they are easy to bold upon the remington 700 has and amazing amount of aftermarket parts but unless you know what your doing changing a barrel change should be done by a gun smith. this is just my opinion but i hope it helps
like a lot is the barrel nut on the savage so you can change calibers easily and they are easy to bold upon the remington 700 has and amazing amount of aftermarket parts but unless you know what your doing changing a barrel change should be done by a gun smith. this is just my opinion but i hope it helps
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As mentioned, there are several threads discussing 260 vs 6.5CM. The internal search here on the forum can be a lot like my ex-wife where it puts out when it wants to and not always for ME. If you Google it then it will direct you to a number of good threads here on the Hide.
As I've been re-hashing all this myself while I debate a caliber change on one of my rifles, I'll summarize for you that in terms of ballistics the 260 and 6.5 are essentially identical. The difference is that the 260 isn't really supported with available match ammo (outside of some boutique ammo shops) whereas Hornady produces factory match ammo for the 6.5CM at a reasonable price (in the area of $1.25 a round). If you're a reloader, then it's a total push. If you're NOT reloading yet, like me, then the 6.5 is the way to go.
If you reload then take your pick, shoot it out and rechamber into one of the even newer cooler 6-6.5 calibers that are out there now.
As long as youre happy thats all that matters.
The biggest thing I like about the 6.5cm is it shoots 140 amaxs awesome and theyre cheap as well as being good for animals. Essentially develop one load and youre done. An lrp in 6.5cm is next on my buy list after I finish a couple of other builds and loads for them.
I started with a Remington 700 PSS in .308.
Put good glass on it (Vortex Viper PST) and then a good trigger (Timney). It came with an HS Precision stock. Worked well.
Since then, I have added a Manner stock (T4A) and muzzle brake.
It works fine out to 1200 yards.
The Remington may have the slight edge on available aftermarket upgrades. But from everything I have held/seen, Savages shoot VERY well.
You can't go wrong with either one.
Put good glass on it (Vortex Viper PST) and then a good trigger (Timney). It came with an HS Precision stock. Worked well.
Since then, I have added a Manner stock (T4A) and muzzle brake.
It works fine out to 1200 yards.
The Remington may have the slight edge on available aftermarket upgrades. But from everything I have held/seen, Savages shoot VERY well.
You can't go wrong with either one.
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