I just got my new Mark 8 3.5-25 and now I need some rings. Should I be looking at cantilever style piece rings or will a badger style set work? This 56mm scope is pretty bulky so its going to need to sit up kind of high. There really isnt any place near me to get a look at any of these in person, so personal recommendations are appreciated.
Rifle Scopes 35mm rings for flat top AR?
- Thread starter longrangefool
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The OD of your objective is 2.70", half of that is 1.35". So you will need a ring or ring/ base combo at least 1.35" high to clear your front rail, without BC covers. And with 90 MOA of adjustment in your scope, a canted base like Badgers (22 MOA) AR Riser (0.430" high) is probability not a necessity.
So there are lots of alternatives, here are some:
- Badger AR Riser 0.430" high + Seekins Low 35mm rings 0.95" high will give you a total of 1.38"
- Badger AR Riser 0.430 + Seekins High 35mm rings 1.0" high will give you a total of 1.430" and a bit more clearance.
- Aadland AR 35mm mount 1.45" high
- American Defense Recon 35mm either 0 or 20 moa 1.570" High
- Spuhr SP-5002 Mount 1.46" high
- Larue has a few 35mm 1 piece mounts, all are either 1.44" or 1.50" high
Aadland's mount looks very solid, and the height is great, and if you don't need QD, that's the way I would go, IMHO
So there are lots of alternatives, here are some:
- Badger AR Riser 0.430" high + Seekins Low 35mm rings 0.95" high will give you a total of 1.38"
- Badger AR Riser 0.430 + Seekins High 35mm rings 1.0" high will give you a total of 1.430" and a bit more clearance.
- Aadland AR 35mm mount 1.45" high
- American Defense Recon 35mm either 0 or 20 moa 1.570" High
- Spuhr SP-5002 Mount 1.46" high
- Larue has a few 35mm 1 piece mounts, all are either 1.44" or 1.50" high
Aadland's mount looks very solid, and the height is great, and if you don't need QD, that's the way I would go, IMHO
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Bobro does a 35mm mount
Thanks guys. Think I've got enough leads for now.
I love the aadmount.
Yea put a $3500 optic into a cheap set of chineese rings.................How have you been here since 2001?
Get a good Mount and be done with it.... Something like Badger/KAC/SPHUR and a propper set of borka torque wrenches
Your particular AR will determine if you need a cantilever. If you have a true monolithic rail with no gap/seam between the receiver and forearm (like an OBR) then you can "get away with" rings or a conventional mount. If the rail is interrupted between the receiver and forward rail section, then a cantilever tends to be a better system so you can mount the optic far enough forward for proper eye relief. You do NOT want to straddle that gap in the rail with rings.
ADM would be a good choice for the $$, Uncertain how much height you'd need with that big bell for your personal preference/needs, but the Recon H is pretty tall. The only ?? i'd have is the Cal. of AR (308/commy/300BO/556) vs the clamping 'strength/area' needed. Couldn't imagine the beam style Recons would not be enough, but........
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I have that exact scope in an ADM Recon on an XLR chassied (new word?) Surgeon, but can't remember which mount variant. I bought the scope/mount from a Hide Vendor who hooked me up with the right mount once I told him what I was doing with it. Since Chris with Interstate Guns/Sport Optics has already joined the thread, just shoot him a PM and see what he has for you.
The ADM is a horrible choice for this application... Don't listen to the ignorant.
ADM mounts may well be "horrible" for this application, but you have offered no explanation or support at all for that "opinion". And you've been around since "2006" so you should also know better.
I would love to hear your explanation as to why a quality mount made specifically for his application is a horrible choice. Please, enlighten us ignorant folk.
Love the AADMOUNT as well. I have a Razor 5-20x on my DMR.
Interested in hearing why.... I was actually leaning towards the ADM. Care to explain?
Sorry, was gone for a couple days. I expect someone like redneck to know better than ask such a silly (almost rhetorical) question.
The QD mount debates have been done ad nauseum. I myself, have explained it over half a dozen times in the last year and if anyone cared to search out the issues , they are there.... ripe for the picking.
So please forgive me if I don't write a dissertation explaining every little nuaince and variable. Here is long story short:
1. QD Mounts are SHIT for precision applications. They all exhibit shift (some more than others). Many will shoot themselves loose over time (such as larue). Many will fuck up your rails.
2. ADM is one of the lessor of the QD mounts. For shit like Bipods or other non optic devices, they are fine. For anything requiring optics or lasers... stay away
3. Why would you put a $3500 Optic into a shitty $150 QD mount? If anything atleast step up to a GDI or Bobro QD... they are still a poor choice for this application, but better than the shit ADM.
4. Run a Solid 1 piece mount with propper torque settings. VERY few people have actual QD needs, and even then, they are usualy misguded. QD mounts for ranged optics have a very narrow purpose.
5. QUALITY QD mounts are fine for 1X, 1-4/6x Optics. Anything over that and you will have too much variance to be reliable. Run whatever you want.... KAC, Badger, SPHUR, or even a cheapy and you WILL have better results than using a QD.
You did not explain why or what you are running. For a 5.56 AR... optic is overkill, I would even say for .308... its not worth the money for that application. Running 6.5C/.243/.260 and its a different ball game.... If you only want to make hits and not shoot tiny holes, save yourself some money and get a few lessor $ (not lessor quality) optics than the MK8. I am sure the majority here would argue that for the price of the MK8, there are much better and proven optics out there.
The QD mount debates have been done ad nauseum. I myself, have explained it over half a dozen times in the last year and if anyone cared to search out the issues , they are there.... ripe for the picking.
So please forgive me if I don't write a dissertation explaining every little nuaince and variable. Here is long story short:
1. QD Mounts are SHIT for precision applications. They all exhibit shift (some more than others). Many will shoot themselves loose over time (such as larue). Many will fuck up your rails.
2. ADM is one of the lessor of the QD mounts. For shit like Bipods or other non optic devices, they are fine. For anything requiring optics or lasers... stay away
3. Why would you put a $3500 Optic into a shitty $150 QD mount? If anything atleast step up to a GDI or Bobro QD... they are still a poor choice for this application, but better than the shit ADM.
4. Run a Solid 1 piece mount with propper torque settings. VERY few people have actual QD needs, and even then, they are usualy misguded. QD mounts for ranged optics have a very narrow purpose.
5. QUALITY QD mounts are fine for 1X, 1-4/6x Optics. Anything over that and you will have too much variance to be reliable. Run whatever you want.... KAC, Badger, SPHUR, or even a cheapy and you WILL have better results than using a QD.
You did not explain why or what you are running. For a 5.56 AR... optic is overkill, I would even say for .308... its not worth the money for that application. Running 6.5C/.243/.260 and its a different ball game.... If you only want to make hits and not shoot tiny holes, save yourself some money and get a few lessor $ (not lessor quality) optics than the MK8. I am sure the majority here would argue that for the price of the MK8, there are much better and proven optics out there.
Hmm, thanks for the update...
I wasn't asking for advice on the cheapest mount (or even QD), I was asking for advice on a good mount (or rings or whatever you want to call them). This is going on my (hopefully) soon to be delivered .260 GAP-10, so yes, I obviously care about quality and precision. I think then I probably should stick with something like Badger or IOR rings and a riser? I don't really seem to be able to find any 35mm rings that are high enough on their own (or maybe it is a brand I'm not aware of). And obviously, with a mk8 and a gap-10, I'm not on the cheap, but I'm also not on the bandwagon of "its better because it costs more."
FTR: For You cant even search for "ADM mount" on here (ADM is apparently too short), and "american defense mount" turns up people who say they work well. Sorry if it seems like I didn't do my research...
I wasn't asking for advice on the cheapest mount (or even QD), I was asking for advice on a good mount (or rings or whatever you want to call them). This is going on my (hopefully) soon to be delivered .260 GAP-10, so yes, I obviously care about quality and precision. I think then I probably should stick with something like Badger or IOR rings and a riser? I don't really seem to be able to find any 35mm rings that are high enough on their own (or maybe it is a brand I'm not aware of). And obviously, with a mk8 and a gap-10, I'm not on the cheap, but I'm also not on the bandwagon of "its better because it costs more."
FTR: For You cant even search for "ADM mount" on here (ADM is apparently too short), and "american defense mount" turns up people who say they work well. Sorry if it seems like I didn't do my research...
ADM mounts do work very well. I have been using them for years, and I haven't ever had one shoot loose, and even though most QD mounts should be within one MOA when removed and re-attached...mine have all been dead on. No issues with 5.56 or 7.62 rifles and 1-4x, 2-10x, 2.5-10x, 3-15x, and 3.5-18x, all have been happy.
1. QD mounts don't shift unless you remove them and some won't shift even then, just like any other mount. If they are properly installed they will not shoot themselves loose just like any other mount. They use cross bolts and clamps just like the mounts you're referring too, just a different method of applying friction. Install them properly and they absolutely will not shift, loosen, or mess up your rails. If you experienced any of those issues it's because you don't know how to set it up.
2. ADM's are just fine for optics and as far as the QR system they have one of the better latch and friction designs.
3. People put expensive optics in badger and NF rings both of which cost $150, does that make them pieces of shit? The price tag doesn't dictate quality.
4. Just becuase it's QD doesn't mean you have to use it. Most AR's need a cantilever style mount and most cantilever style mounts are QD. Put it on and don't dick with it. My 4 KAC rifles have left handed features which are there and I don't need or use, should I sell them?
5. Quality QD mounts are fine for any magnification of scope so long as they are proper height and placement.
You're arguments against QD mounts are stupid at best.
