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Rifle Scopes 1-500 Yrd AR Scope

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I dont like to dial but want man sized person percision out to 500 yards (ish)

I Have 2 HDMR scopes with H58 and H59 reticles and like them.

I will be mounting this optic on a PWS 16" AR (223/5.56)

I have not found many (only 1) option that fits what I am looking for and I don't see alot of love for it on the net.

This is what I have found

Horus Vision

Bushnell seems to have some nice scopes along with USO but no windage hold overs that I can see.

Imput would be great!
 
Have you looked at the SWFA SS 3-15x42? The Mil-Quad reticle might be what you're looking for: SWFA SS 3-15x42 Tactical Rifle Scope

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If a Horus reticle on a low powered scope is what you what, and Horus the only one that makes them, then buy one. There are lots of reasons why there is little love for Horus scopes in general around the net, and the 1 year warranty is a major one, but their reticles have gotten very popular.

Not so much with the AR crowd, as there is little need for such a reticle for under 500 yd targets, IMHO, but if they are your thing, give it a go...it's only money.
 
Have you looked at the Vortex Razor HD II 1-6?

Vortex Optics - Razor HD Gen II Riflescopes

It's an MOA ballistic reticle, but once you work out ranges for your load, its VERY fast and on 1X is phenomenal for CQB distances.

For 1-600 yds on torso plates, I've found nothing as flexible and useful in the price range.

John
 
what is your task? what is your budget? how is your vision? there are a lot of options, but many of them are dependent on the shooter.
 
Since you said man size targets at 500 I am going to presume you are looking for a 1-x powered scope.

I love my Meopta 1-4 ZD
fast at close range with the ability to put rounds on steel 18"plates at 500 easily.



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I don't want to spend more then 1k.....I am 30 yrs old and have great vision. My task is 1 to 500 yds man sized targets with some speed...no clocking just hold overs.
 
For minute-of-man, a BDC reticle can't be beat for speed. There are several really nice bcd scopes out there that are plenty accurate for torso hits out past 500y.

BDC doesn't get a whole lot of love on this site, because they are not a precision setup. But, for a battle rifle they are super fast. The Pride Fowler scopes have great glass and there are several happy campers out there with them.
SWFA Riflescopes Pride Fowler Rifle Scopes

The Bushnell Elite 3-12x with G2 reticle (not bcd) gets great reports from guys who own them. Bushnell 3-12x44 Elite Tactical 30mm Rifle Scope, and I know several guys who prefer the G2 reticle to Horus'.

If you want a true 1x with nice illumination that won't break the bank, the Burris MTAC's BDC reticles are among my favorite and have proven spot on with my XM855 loads: Burris 1-4x24 MTAC 30mm Rifle Scope
 
You might get so many opinions that you head will spin.
Man size targets at 500 yards you can do with a huge variety of glass with little magnification w/o sacrificing field of view.
Assuming you are using std. military ball if you zero at 300 yards you have a range of 12" on plate out to 400 yards. (within kill zone)
At 100 and 200 is 4 and 5 inches. Out to 500 yards you hold a tad less x3 that (31" or a tad below 3ft)
With 10mph full value wind at 9 or 3pm then you will have to hold 1.5ft at 400 yds and a tad below 3ft at 500.
For a 5mph wind just half that. You can do this with a number of 1st or 2nd focal plane optics.
Among others I use a little burris timberline 2-7 in some piston carbines because it is small foot print and only 12oz.
This is good to 800 yards with 75gr TAP. But any of the above will work too.
For a light carbine for me having the variable magnification on a super light glass is something I like.
Now if you are going to be alternating targets at unknown distances or do ranging I suggest a 1st focal
and spend a bit more in something with consistent units of measure between stadia and adjustment
but it is not really necessary unless you want to be more accurate at longer distances and provide accurate ranging.
Also keep in mind ACOG provide amazing field of view that is something very desirable too.
It makes things a lot easier but in reality you could map your stadia in any scope to your loads and then work it out.
The key thing is to know what your loads are doing and what to expect at those distances and see what method
of correction seems more acceptable for you.
If you do not have ballistic software go to this from winchester and see if you can simulate your load and then
try to see how that would work with the stadia and formula you like.
Winchester Ammunition ? Ballistics Calculator
Pride and Fowler (rapid reticle) also have some good ones maped to std. service loads but anyone will work given that you understand
the correction on that given design. I would keep it simple and not too busy. Horus are nice but seem a bit cluttered
for the given purpose plus when mapped in the field they are not 100% accurate but they are pretty close though.
I prefer mil-mil or moa-moa because then I can do precise adjustment faster in consistent units should that be needed.
BDCs like ballistics turrets do not really work because if you move to a higher or lower altitude you need to convert the designated
drop in the comp to a meaningful correction.
But again for a man sized steel target at 500 yards even a BDC comp with some knowledge of how to map the stadia to std
units you could adjust. Slower in some cases but in most average ranges will be as rapid as the most sofisticated scopes.
Decent eye relieve and fast adquisition is something I look for when working at the lowest magnifications and close ranges.
 
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man sized person & precision don't really mix, but if:

"man sized" quick and fast = 1-6 power

"precision" slow group shots = 3-15 plus

I dont like to dial but want man sized person percision out to 500 yards (ish)

I Have 2 HDMR scopes with H58 and H59 reticles and like them.

I will be mounting this optic on a PWS 16" AR (223/5.56)

I have not found many (only 1) option that fits what I am looking for and I don't see alot of love for it on the net.

This is what I have found

Horus Vision

Bushnell seems to have some nice scopes along with USO but no windage hold overs that I can see.

Imput would be great!
 
I shoot the USO 1.5-6 out to 600yds w/ no problems hitting 12" steel. My eye is 20/12 after LASIK and we're roughly the same age. That said, I agree w/ the comment on a BDC reticle for fast acquisition. The other way would be to develop your own load and then run the numbers to find your holdover on a mil-dot. Commit to memory. And after a few hundred rounds, it should be second nature.

I also agree that the Horus may be a little busy for these distances.
 
thanks for the extra info

stand by my recommendation
I get to test a lot of 1-4 / 1-6 / 1-8 scopes

You won't find a scope that has better glass in it's price range

In personally don't like FFP scopes in 1-4 scopes but 1-6 can be useable (to me) if the reticle is done right.
The SWFA 1-6 would be a good option as well of course.
 
For minute-of-man, a BDC reticle can't be beat for speed. There are several really nice bcd scopes out there that are plenty accurate for torso hits out past 500y.

BDC doesn't get a whole lot of love on this site, because they are not a precision setup. But, for a battle rifle they are super fast. The Pride Fowler scopes have great glass and there are several happy campers out there with them.
SWFA Riflescopes Pride Fowler Rifle Scopes

The Bushnell Elite 3-12x with G2 reticle (not bcd) gets great reports from guys who own them. Bushnell 3-12x44 Elite Tactical 30mm Rifle Scope, and I know several guys who prefer the G2 reticle to Horus'.

If you want a true 1x with nice illumination that won't break the bank, the Burris MTAC's BDC reticles are among my favorite and have proven spot on with my XM855 loads: Burris 1-4x24 MTAC 30mm Rifle Scope

Thanks for mentioning the Pride Fowler, I like that scope, wish it was a 1x6 for the same price. I had thought the Horus was a little to busy for a 1x4 scope..... I don't need 12 mills of elevation for a 16" gas gun with non match ammo.
 
ACOG, Specter DR, M145 are capable od doing what you want, and all have been combat proven.


Also:
Burris M-TAC 1-4x or Tac-30 1-4x to name a few.
 
Built in drops all the way out to 800 and illuminated. I've only had mine to 200 so far and I had no problems keeping my stock M&P carbine under MOA. If I was shooting out to 500 I would want more than 4x on the top end if I were shooting for precision. Minute of man, this combo would have no problem. 1-6 or 1-8 would be ideal but the price climbs pretty quickly.

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If inside of 100 yards matters a good bit to you, then look at something like a 1-x optic.

If the several hundred yards+ is more important, look at something with a little higher magnification.

As for ARs, I like to run a 1-4x on closer range shooting where I may poke a few it every once in a while (3-gun and defensive type carbines), but like a 2.5-10x for a Recce/SPR type.