Who here has given up....

[garandman]

Methinks you are seeing what you want to see.

No one here cares what you shoot, or what you want to shoot, only folks refuting the statement that the round is useless. .

Show me where I said the round is "useless." You can't.

I said its good for combat, and 3-gun.

How about you not put words in my mouth, and then get "bent" at me about what I never said? Deal?

And how about not trying to tell me what I saw, when you weren't there? Just trying that you destroy your own credibility.

 

[garandman]

As for the leaf incident, persons who have even the slightest grasp of external ballistics don't need to witness it, as they understand that its not possible, regardless of what you think you saw.


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Actually, anyone who has even the slightest grasp of ballistics knows that once a bullet hits something, were no longer dealing with external ballistics, and just about everything becomes possible.

 

[Deadshot2]

The OP has several threads that can best be described as the internet equivalent of the woman who wears skimpy clothes and then complains about attracting too many lingering stares.

I've kind of come to the same conclusion. If it weren't for the fact that he keeps responding one might just think of him as a Troll.

Right now I'm leaning more to "Post Whore" or "30 year old still living in his mother's basement who loves controversy".

 

[garandman]

I've kind of come to the same conclusion. If it weren't for the fact that he keeps responding one might just think of him as a Troll.

Right now I'm leaning more to "Post Whore" or "30 year old still living in his mother's basement who loves controversy".

Can't discuss facts, so yer gonna go the name calling / insult route?

I'm done here. Its been fun.... out.

 

[Delta4-3]

Show me where I said the round is "useless." You can't.

I said its good for combat, and 3-gun.

How about you not put words in my mouth, and then get "bent" at me about what I never said? Deal?

And how about not trying to tell me what I saw, when you weren't there? Just trying that you destroy your own credibility.

How is it not good for combat? I posted pictures of combat results last time this topic came up, but they got deleted promptly. It works fine for combat, hence the reason that it is used by people that have a choice.

 

[garandman]

I said it is good for combat... .

How is it not good for combat?.

Just...wow.

 

[Delta4-3]

It has been brought to my attention that I have poor reading comprehension skills. My apologies to Garandman.

 

[elfster1234]

I think BM11 stated it best here:

I find it incredible how much the 5.56's dominate this challenge.

.224 bullets are stupid cheap & 5.56 ammo is actually rather accurate up to 300yards / pushing up to 600yards & if all you're doing to punching holes in paper up to 600yards = why the hell not??? especially if money and components availability is important to you such as myself... To give you an idea with the last 3 shootout threads & the 300yard thread, the 5.56 round usually comes out on top or damn close to it & you will see that 7.62 rounds usually creeps more towards the bottom of the list... yes, yes, I know shooter skills has some involvement in these stats, but it does give a good idea on the importance of the 5.56 round:

((((( 100 YARD !!! )))))SNIPER'S HIDE SEMI-AUTO BEST AVERAGE (TOP TEN) (average# is what really counts!):
*** #1 place: Overkill, 24" KREIGER BULL DPMS REPR .260 REM, (.31983" average), shot on (10/15/12), post on page#13
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#2 place: dmpowder, 16" BULL DPMS SWEET 16 5.56, (.459" average), shot on (10/04/12), post on page#12
#3 place: Victory, 18" SPR NOVESKE 5.56, (.515" average), shot on (10/03/12), post on page#12
#4 place: Squin, 24" BULL GRENDEL LBC-AR .264 LBC-AR, (.5317" average), shot on (09/15/12), post on page#8
#5 place: Boone3380, 24" BULL RRA VARMINT 5.56, (.601" average), shot on (09/24/12), post on page#13
#6 place: Hunt1, 24" BULL DPMS 5.56, (.659" average), shot on (10/06/12), post on page#12
#7 place: Mcarnell82, 20" BULL RRA VARMINT 5.56, (.7173" average), shot on (09/10/12), post on page#5
#8 place: Jon Lester, 23" GAP 10 6 CREED, (.723" average), shot on (09/21/12), post on page#8
#9 place: Crashnrando, 18"MID BHW AR YHM UP&LOW 6x45, (.736" average), shot on (09/28/12), post on page#10
#10 place: Elfster1234 , 20"CL LMT MWS 7.62 , (.749" average) , shot on (08/26/12), post on page#1

((((( 100 YARD !!! ))))) past leaders for average(what really counts):
- Nakas , 20" OBR 7.62 , (.795" average) , shot on (08/29/12) , post on page#2
- Heydogman, 24" BULL DPMS LR 6.5 CREED, (.815" average), shot on (09/22/12), post on page#8
- Nakas, 24"match KAC/KMC SR25 7.62, (.83" average), shot on (09/09/12), post on page#4
- Crashnrondo, 16" RRA MID w/YHM LOWER 5.56, (.842" average), shot on (09/03/12), post on page#4
- Line-of-Departure, 18" GAP-10 7.62, (.8534" average), shot on (09/07/12), post on page#4
- Temp9, 16" SPR BUILD AR-15 5.56, (.8735" average), shot on (09/12/12), post on page#5
- KevinB-KAC, 20" M110 SASS 7.62, (.9033" average), shot on (09/15/12), post on page#6
- JWP6114, 20" RRA 5.56, (.9165" average), shot on (09/07/12), post on page#4
- Lennyo3034, 22" M25 7.62, (.9848" average), shot on (09/14/12), post on page#6
- KevinB-KAC, 16"CL KAC SR-25 ECC Carbine 7.62, (1.0156" average), shot on (09/09/12), post on page#5
- CanSniper , 18"SS LMT MWS 7.62 , (1.05" average) , shot on (08/31/12) , post on page#2
- Cox380, 18" SPR AR-15 BUILD 5.56, (1.07" average), shot on (09/02/12), post on page#3
- USMAGator , 18" OBR 7.62 , (1.1386" average) , shot on(09/09/12) , post on page#4
- Robinc, 18" WOA SPR AR-15 5.56, (1.1968" average), shot on (09/03/12), post on page#4

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ROUND2((((( 100 YARD !!! )))))SNIPER'S HIDE SEMI-AUTO BEST AVERAGE (TOP TEN) (average# is what really counts!):
***#1 place: HEYDOGMAN, DPMS LR 24" SS BULL 6.5, (.506 AVERAGE), shot on (09/01/13), post on page6***
#2 place: THEBELLY, PREDATAR 16'' 7.62, (.536 AVERAGE), shot on (08/03/13), post on page6
#3 place: BOONE3380, RRA VARMINT 24" SS BULL 5.56, (.552 AVERAGE), shot on (05/03/13), post on page2
#4 place: TWITCHY, BUSHMASTER VARMINT 18" SS SPR 5.56, (.6233 AVERAGE), shot on (07/15/13), post on page5
#5 place: WAGONPILOT, RRA W/JEWEL TRIGGER 24" SS BULL 5.56, (.653 AVERAGE), shot on (05/27/13), post on page3
#6 place: SEANHAGERTY, BCM/STAG 20" SS BULL 5.56, (.693 AVERAGE), shot on (05/22/13), post on page3
#7 place: ELFSTER1234, RRA EOP VARMINT 18" SS BULL 5.56, (.7086 AVERAGE), shot on (05/26/13), post on page4
#8 place: ELFSTER1234, LMT MWS 20" CL 7.62, (.7258 AVERAGE), shot on (09/08/13), post on page6
#9 place: ELFSTER1234, RRA ATH 18'' SS HEAVY MATCH 5.56, (.7285 AVERAGE), shot on (08/18/13), post on page6
#10 place: BLUTO77, LARUE OBR 18'' 5.56, (.802 AVERAGE), shot on (08/10/13), post on page6

((((( 100 YARD !!! ))))) past leaders for average(what really counts):
- ELFSTER1234, DPMS 3G1 18" SS 5.56, 1-4 VORTEX PST SCOPE, (.8326 AVERAGE), shot on (08/10/13), post on page6
- WFJAMES22, LMT MWS 20" SS 260REM, (.834 AVERAGE), shot on (06/03/13), post on page4
- NAKAS, KAC SR25 EMR 20" 7.62, (.854 AVERAGE), shot on (07/19/13), post on page5
- JOHN_M44, DPMS/FULTON 22" BULL 7.62, (.879 AVERAGE), shot on (05/21/13), post on page2
- COACH4CHRIST, BRAVO/SPIKES LOWER 5.56, (.8975 AVERAGE), shot on (04/28/13), post on page1
- BLUTO51, RRA UPPER / LOKI NICKLE BORON BCG 16" HEAVY MATCH 5.56, (.904 AVERAGE), shot on (06/06/13), post on page4
- USMAGATOR, OBR 18" SS 7.62, (.999 AVERAGE), shot on (04/27/13), post on page1
- RG IN IDAHO, LMT MWS 20" SS 7.62, (1.06 AVERAGE), shot on (04/26/13), post on page1
- SCRATHTHEJEEPGUY, CUSTOM BUILD 24" SS BULL .223, (1.036" AVERAGE), shot on (05/17/13), post on page2
- BM11, LMT MWS 16" CL 7.62, (1.116 AVERAGE), shot on (04/25/13), post on page1
- PMCLAINE, LMT MWS 16" CL 7.62, (1.65 AVERAGE), shot on (04/30/13), post on page2


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ROUND3((((( 100 YARD !!! )))))SNIPER'S HIDE SEMI-AUTO BEST AVERAGE (TOP TEN) (average# is what really counts!):
***#1 place: HEYDOGMAN, DPMS / 23" SS BULL / .243, (AVERAGE = .5575), SHOT ON 10/27/13, POST ON PAGE1***
#2 place: FLYBOY22, DD / 16" CL / 5.56, (AVERAGE = .676), SHOT ON 10/28/13, POST ON PAGE1
#3 place: ELFSTER1234, RRA VARMINT / 20" SS BULL / 5.56, (AVERAGE = .8198), SHOT ON 10/13/13, POST ON PAGE1
#4 place: DAVE102269, MEGA / 20" WOA VARMINT / .223, (AVERAGE = .933), SHOT ON 12/03/13, POST ON PAGE1
#5 place: DRIFTO808, LMT MRP / 18" SS BARREL / 5.56, (AVERAGE = .945), SHOT ON 11/17/13, POST ON PAGE1
#6 place: ECHODELTASIERRA, JP LRP 07 / 20" BARREL / 7.62, (AVERAGE = 1.005), SHOT ON 11/20/13, POST ON PAGE1
#7 place: RONNL001, KAC SR25 / 24" / 7.62, (AVERAGE = 1.126), SHOT ON 11/29/13, POST ON PAGE1
#8 place: PTRLCOP, JP LRP 07 / 16" BARREL / 7.62, (AVERAGE = 1.336), SHOT ON 10/25/13, POST ON PAGE1
#9 place: your name here!
#10 place: your name here!

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((((( 300 YARD !!! ))))) SNIPER'S HIDE SEMI-AUTO BEST AVERAGE (TOP TEN) (average# is what really counts!):
*** #1 place: SD26, 24"BULL / DPMS LR-65 / 6.5 CREED, (average = 2.496" , MOA = .7947), shot on (10/05/12), post on page1***
#2 place: ELFSTER1234, 18"BULL / RRA EOP VARMINT / 5.56, (average = 2.6575" , MOA = .8461), shot on (06/03/13), post on page1
#3 place: ELFSTER1234, 18" SS HEAVY / RRA ATH / 5.56, (average = 2.7282" , MOA = .8686), shot on (08/28/13), post on page2
#4 place: BLUTO51, 16" SS HEAVY / RRA / 5.56, (average = 2.729", MOA = .869), shot on (09/17/13), post on page2
#5 place: GOOSEKILLER101, 24"BULL / DPMS / 5.56, (average = 2.755" , MOA = .8771 ), shot on (10/15/12), post on page1
#6 place: ELFSTER1234, 20"CL HEAVY / LMT MWS / 7.62, (average = 2.7795" , MOA = .8849), shot on (06/15/13), post on page1
#7 place: BLUTO51, 22" KRIEGER MATCH / MIA M21 / 7.62, (average = 3.037", MOA = .967), shot on (06/17/13), post on page1
#8 place: BLUTO51, 20" SS HEAVY / 1993 COLT COMP / 5.56, (average = 3.115", MOA = .992), shot on (08/02/13), post on page2
#9 place: BLUTO77, 18"HEAVY / OBR / 5.56, (average = 3.419", MOA = 1.14), shot on (08/25/13), post on page2
#10 place: SEANHAGERTY, 20" SS BULL / STAG LOW BCM UP / 5.56, (average = 3.530", MOA = 1.124), shot on (07/03/13), post on page2

((((( 300 YARD !!! ))))) past leaders for average(what really counts):
- ELFSTER1234, 18"HEAVY / DPMS 3G1 / 1-4 VORTEX SCOPE / 5.56, (average = 4.47433", MOA = 1.4245), shot on (07/20/13), post on page2

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there is no "giving up" on the 5.56 round for this kid..... I actually prefer it as it's soooo darn cheap to reload & is crazy accurate up to 600yards no problem.... kick in a heavy 68grn plus bullet with an extra powder drop load and you can easy take down deer in my next of the woods in Wisconsin as shots rarely ever go over 100yards.

 

[Deadshot2]

Can't discuss facts, so yer gonna go the name calling / insult route?

I'm done here. Its been fun.... out.

We've all been discussing facts. Facts you continually dispute with no evidence. Can we hold you to your last statement?

 

[lancetkenyon]

I have actually just recently been drawn into the .223/5.56 crowd. I was a firm believer prior to a year ago that a .224 caliber bullet needed to travel FAST (my .22-250 shoots a 52 SMK at 3700fps at .338" 100 yd. 5 shot groups) and out of a bolt gun to be worth shooting a light bullet.

I have, since the last year, picked up two ARs. A 16.5" basic M4, and more recently (since my 11 year old daughter has taken over the first AR) a Bushmaster Varminter 24" AR.
We have also just started shooting them at longer distances, out to 700 yds. so far, but plans hold a 1000 yd. contest in our families future. My brother was also a .223/5.56 novice, and he now has two ARs also. One within the past month after I was schooling him with my original off the shelf M4 while varmint/rabbit hunting. Two weeks ago we got him zeroed and went to shoot some steel at 500+/- yds. After zeroing and gaining ballistic information, he made a first round hit on 12"x16" steel at 497 yds. with a 3-9 scope with only a standard crosshair and no dialing by just holdover. He made 7 out of 10 hits with this method. I went 10 for 10 at 502 yds. as well as 8 for 10 at 613 yds. with significant wind. I then took my M4 and went 5 for 5 at 497 yds. with factory ammo. All shooting 50 gr pills. I now shoot 69gr. SMKs in my Varminter exclusively.

The .223 has put a hurting on coyotes out to 400 yds. for me so far. I am hoping to extend that range this winter. My daughter has shot rabbits at 258 yds. with the M4.

If nothing else, the .223 is a very inexpensive training round for larger calibers, and allows my 11 year old daughter to comfortably shoot all day long with me. I am a new .223 fan.

 

[Thumper580]

Question.... In the big scheme of things why single out the .223 from the hundreds of other calibers out there that the same question could be posed.....

 

[lclement]

Hard to give up on a 556 / 223 while the military is still using it as much as they are. I am eying. A 6.5 Grendel upper though but will keep the 556/223 upper for others reasons.

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[RTH1800]

I use my rifles in the field almost daily. Very seldom does a week pass that I do not fire them. Predator control, deer culling, varmints etc. I carry the rifle, walk miles. The AR 5.56 is the best I have ever used. I seldom pick up another rifle. MK 12 Mod 1 is the current favorite. Weight of rifle and ammo are important to me. If I sat at a bench, might be different. I can say that I have sold every AR 10 platform I have ever owned. That is several. Too much weight. Mostly shoot 77 grain SMK. Normally about 3K per year. Just sighting, verifying come ups and wind drift. And hunting. I really like being familiar with one rifle and load. Just makes a difference in the field. Cost of rifle or ammo has little to do with it. Weight has a huge amount to do with it.

 

[Desert_Racer]