That's cheaper than online. Bottom metal is 129 and the mag is 71 according to their site.
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I noticed that too. Its $213.16 all together with shipping online. Maybe its because he called and said he was on the hide?
Just bought one from the website with the 5 round mag. ($213.16 with shipping) Ill have pictures up with it in a b&c light tactical stock sometime around next Wednesday.
I didn't say I was on the Hide( didn't think to tell her). She didn't give me an exact number she said about. And actually I called back on Friday since my card had not been charged and spoke with I believe Ashley and she gave me a price of around $160. So I don't know what they will charge me. As of Friday it had not shipped yet due to no AICS mags in stock.
I guess Ill wait and see what they charge my card. lol
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I guess Ill wait and see what they charge my card. lol[/QUOTE]
Well if its more than $214 you may have a problem
lol
Im just keeping my fingers crossed that ill get mine before deer season!
Well if its more than $214 you may have a problem
lol Im just keeping my fingers crossed that ill get mine before deer season!
Combo price now on website as of Tuesday November 19th. Listed at $145.66 plus shipping.
Gonna call and see if they'll help me out because when I talked to the girl (Melissa I think?) on monday she told me the didn't have a combo for the bdl so I paid about $50 more.
Gonna call and see if they'll help me out because when I talked to the girl (Melissa I think?) on monday she told me the didn't have a combo for the bdl so I paid about $50 more.
Anyone actually got it installed and do some shooting yet? I'm on the fence whether to order the stealth and have my stock inletted since I have plenty of AICS mags or just get one of the drop on units and a couple mags. Either way it will be about the same price, just not sure what route to go on my 5r.
Just saw one of these that my neighbor ordered (based on this thread actually), and it looks nice! We were both surprised that is was not for the "standard AI 308 mag" but uses the AE mag (not a big deal to me except general availability, as the standard ones are fairly common these days but the AE versions tend to not be, a lot like when AI mags first started to trickle into the states). At any rate, my neighbor will be ordering some mags soon and we'll be running his bottom metal through it's paces; I'll post the results ina few weeks.
Installed mine, works great. If I could figure out how to post a picture from my phone I would post that picture.
Here it is.
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This one is a single stack mag.
Any chance for some 10rd mags? Really thinking hard about getting this setup for my 5r.
I seem to be having a bit of a problem with mine. The screw holes don't seem to align with the inlet. The front screw hole leaves a gap in front and the rear screw hole can't get inside the inlet. Almost like if the magwell (what would be the internal mag in the original bdl) is a couple of thousands of an inch too forward with regards to the inlet (thus the body of the bdm being pushed a bit backwards). This is on a 5R HS-precision stock. Bummer, I was so stoked thinking I was going to give it a try during the long weekend . Kiff any suggestions I could try? Thx
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I have 4 stocks here one from Stocky's, a Bell & Carlson and it bolts in , now I have a Green Bell and Carlson from Remington and I had to take .030 out of the very front of the inlet to get the proper fit . The McMillan stock lets it drop in like the Camo stock mnsheephunter has . One of my customers said his two Remington BDL's were different, one bolted in nice and snug and the other had the correct length but the corners of the inlet where the hing was on his floor plate had to be trimmed out .015 to .025 . I will start putting a Remington stock inlet min to max print overlay in the box with the Units . Accuracy international is producing 5000 more magazines for us . They said they plan on running them now that we are using them for stock bolt in units for 6 different short action rifle makes . We are machining Model 7 and XR 100 units that use a steel Mini 14 Magazine. Mile high, Stockys, Midway, and Grizzly will be handling all our Bottom metal . Keep a eye out for the black Friday Sale We are going to have some Killer deals on Trigger guards and Other parts. Thanks Dave
The DBM fits my Manners inlet fine but the mags as shipped will need a slight modification to seat properly on my stock/receiver combination. They are shipped notched at the top front of the mag for receiver clearance but its not quite enough on my setup to keep it from seating properly. The flat notch will need to be radius-ed or lowered a touch more to function properly. The feed lips will probably have to be opened up at the front to feed properly as well. Also this being a 2.950" length mag they like other 2.950" AI style mags and DBM combinations will need the bottom of the receivers feed ramp notched to allow for the longer OAL. I was charged the per piece cost and not the "Short Action Bottom Metal + Mag Combo Sale" price. I believe I ordered it one day before the combo sale was listed.
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Thanks Kiff, I just finished taking some material from the front and got the dbm installed but now I'm experiencing issues with feeding. When I push the bolt forward the round starts engaging the feed ramp but then gets stuck half way. Not sure if the issue is with the magazine's feed lips being too tight.
Mine is most likely the same. As the bullet nose starts up the feed ramp the case pivots on the front of the feed lips causing the bolt to ride over the rear of the case. The mag may be a little low overall and the feed lips will need to be adjusted.
That may be it. The mag may be sitting a bit low. Here's a pic of where the mag feed lips end with regards to the action:
On a separate note is it normal for the dbm's lower side (the wider part) to not sit flush with the stock's body? The screws holes sit perfectly flush, though.
It's almost like if this gap matches the gap between the mag's feed lips and the action in the previous pic.
On a separate note is it normal for the dbm's lower side (the wider part) to not sit flush with the stock's body? The screws holes sit perfectly flush, though.
It's almost like if this gap matches the gap between the mag's feed lips and the action in the previous pic.
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That may be it. The mag may be sitting a bit low. Here's a pic of where the mag feed lips end with regards to the action:
On a separate note is it normal for the dbm's lower side (the wider part) to not sit flush with the stock's body? The screws holes sit perfectly flush, though.
Yes, the mag sits low just like your picture. I don't know what will be the best to get this fixed, either modify the front of the mag more and extend the mag catch so it sits higher in the action or modify the feed lips to get it to feed. Either way it's not a drop in for me. If I have to modify an action to get a mag to work for the extended OAL (notch the feed ramp in this case) I would prefer to modify the action like a Wyatt's extended mag box install and have the DBM setup with the mag rearward so the feed ramp doesn't have to be notched and in this case the mags wouldn't have to be notched either. All that would require major rework of the DBM by PTG. Dave, any comment? I'll be in contact soon.
I only have a LA HS stock right now but it has a belly exactly like that in the floorplate area so it looks like that would be normal. Edit: I slipped the SA DBM in the LA stock and it's the same as yours.
Headed off for a hunt so I won't have time to deal with this anymore until I get back, good luck with your setup.
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I had feeding issues at first, figured out I needed to tighten the back screw before the front screw. Mine feeds fine now. I put mine in a manners t4.
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Got mine in today, Had to open up front of B&C A3 inlet to get to fit.
I am having the same feed issue. Wont work, The bolt rides over the case after about an inch of travel. The lips on the mag do not meet the feed ramp on the receiver. Looks the same as the pictures above. I will call Friday or Monday and see if the have a fix.
I am having the same feed issue. Wont work, The bolt rides over the case after about an inch of travel. The lips on the mag do not meet the feed ramp on the receiver. Looks the same as the pictures above. I will call Friday or Monday and see if the have a fix.
We have longer and shorter latches to move the magazine up or down in the stock for proper feeding , some stocks are thicker in depth than others so ether the latch change or deepening the inlet is necessary also a AI-2467-R magazine is used . The Standard AI 2467 or 2467 -W will need notched on the very front on some some Remington receivers, our combo units come pre fit or we sell the Magazines on line . Now if you would like to use the complete length at 2.950 you must alter the receiver feed cone on some actions . The stocks that have the belly inset around the inlet are a going to show a gap with the Stealth Because we make them to the Remington Print . For unsightly puckered inlets I recommend ether our 2.950 BDL flush cut , Or the shorter Bolt in BDL we make for Wyatt Outdoors . The Wyatt Out Doors is designed to just fit at flush stock with 2.860 mag length with little or no work to the stock, They can be purchased from Wyatt Outdoors for around $304.00 Either that or open it up for our M5 double stack Stealth . We have the colt Tactical M5 design or the Standard Remington style Stealth on sale today for $75 .... Out of the 500 units of the 2.950 BDL bolt-in, we have only had 7 folks with feeding or inlet fitting problems and they are usually remedied with minor alterations . Also , We have a black Friday Sale going on on all Trigger Guard and Detachable units, Remington Bolts also Magazines. Thanks Dave
The odd thing is that the stock I have came standard with rem 700. I gave a hogue overmold I had laying around a try (take-off from my AAC-SD; both stocks are SA) but had similar issues. Looking at the other pics posted here, it looks like for the gap between the Stealth and the stock belly to not happen the front and rear inlets where the screws holes go need to be deeper (dbm would need to hide inside the stock on those areas). In my case these areas end up perfectly flush between the Stealth dbm and the stock, thus the gap around the dbm shows off.
BDW, thanks for helping us try to fix this issue Dave. Let me know if you need me to send the stock your way.
BDW, thanks for helping us try to fix this issue Dave. Let me know if you need me to send the stock your way.
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Otero What did you do to get yours to sit flush? I am having the same fitment issue you had.
I slowly took material off the front side (inside the stock's inlet where the internal mag goes as shown in picture) with 150 sandpaper. This is the area near where the original bdl's hinge would be located. To keep the round corners I used a pencil covered in sandpaper and slowly sanded inwards to prevent paint from chipping off (not that would but just in case). Most of what I ended up removing was excess paint and composite material (hardest part was sanding the actual aluminum body). Didn't had to touch the sides or the rear of the inlet as Dave suggested. The screw holes ended up flush (same as my original bdl) but the wider part of the Stealth bottom has about .114in gap from the stock's belly (as shown on previous pics). Sorry for the fuzzy picture, it looks like I'm pointing to the actual Stealth DBM but it is the stock what I wanted to point out with the yellow arrows.
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PTG "bolt in" BDL DBM for Remington SA?
I have a B&C M40 pattern stock from Stockys that needed quite a bit of grinding to get a good fit with the BDL drop in DBM and I have the unsightly gap because my inlet area is thinner.
I also had to grind on the front of the mag for receiver feed cone clearance and then had to grind the rear of the mag for receiver clearance so much that when inserting rounds into the mag they will slide out the back of the mag if I'm not careful. The upside is with the mag inserted the round is practically aligned with the chamber so it feeds very well.
I have a B&C M40 pattern stock from Stockys that needed quite a bit of grinding to get a good fit with the BDL drop in DBM and I have the unsightly gap because my inlet area is thinner.
I also had to grind on the front of the mag for receiver feed cone clearance and then had to grind the rear of the mag for receiver clearance so much that when inserting rounds into the mag they will slide out the back of the mag if I'm not careful. The upside is with the mag inserted the round is practically aligned with the chamber so it feeds very well.
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I called and ordered one of these bdl dbm bottom metal's and a mag to go with it.
When I called in to order, I was told the price for both would be $180. I received the package
and the packing slip states I was billed $212.01
Now, a week later the price is $145.66 for a combo.
Guess I should have waited.
When I called in to order, I was told the price for both would be $180. I received the package
and the packing slip states I was billed $212.01
Now, a week later the price is $145.66 for a combo.
Guess I should have waited.
Well shucks I just ordered on of these to drop in to my 5r before seeing this thread. I sure hope I don't run into the same issues!
Dave, I need a longer latch for two R700 DBM's and also a longer latch for the winchester DBM I got a while back. What is the best way to order these? is there a online part number or do I need to call and explain what I need...
Thanks
Jon
Well just got mine in the mail and tried it on the take off houge stock I have sitting around and it didn't fit. Then tried it on my B&C A3 and i haave to remove alot more material from the front than I thought. So much for getting this in tonight to use for deer this weekend. Ill have to toss my stock on the mill when I get some free time
Dave (kliff), Ashleigh is taking care of it for me... fast and friendly service... I think she needs a raise
Sounds like I might as well go M5 flush then since Id rather have it anyway but was trying to stay away from having to cut up my stock.
What benefit does the M5 have over this bolt in BDL? Obviously the bolt in saves you from inletting the stock but as far as I can tell the only advantage the M5 system gets you is youre able to use off the shelf regular mags and get 10rd capacity for both SA and LA. Ive got a 308 5R and 300WM 5R that I want to order DBMs for and am trying to decide now that it seems the BDL may require some fitting seems like I might as well go all the way and get an M5 setup since the 10rd capacity would be nice.
What benefit does the M5 have over this bolt in BDL? Obviously the bolt in saves you from inletting the stock but as far as I can tell the only advantage the M5 system gets you is youre able to use off the shelf regular mags and get 10rd capacity for both SA and LA. Ive got a 308 5R and 300WM 5R that I want to order DBMs for and am trying to decide now that it seems the BDL may require some fitting seems like I might as well go all the way and get an M5 setup since the 10rd capacity would be nice.
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Will the Rem 700 short action BDL bottom metal fit shortmags, or just .308 based cartridges? Thanks
well, mine just came fro my 40x and bolt right in? not a chance. I had to file the front of the mag well to get to fit, then the front screw is too long so no the bolt wont open, not that big of a deal I could just cut the bolt shorter. now the mag wont lock into the bottom, metal it looks like the whole thing has to go forward now. I am too mad to play around anymore today so back to the old bottom metal for now. good luck..
Well got my stock on the mill and removed enough to get the dbm to fit.
Only downside is the gap.
Im also have a problem that my front screw locks my bolt up when torqued at all. I fixed this with a washer shim in the front. But then it messes up my feeding. I dont know if its just me but my magazine seems to be fairly loose and not a snug fit. If I load the mag with the bolt closed it doesn't pick up the first round unless I open the bolt and tap the mag up. It almost always fails to pick up the last round unless I hold the bottom of the mag up.
Very very frustrating. Anyone have any ideas or atleast having similar problems? I know I can just cut the bolt (screw) but id rather order another one first before I cut the only one I have if it doesn't work.
Only downside is the gap.
Im also have a problem that my front screw locks my bolt up when torqued at all. I fixed this with a washer shim in the front. But then it messes up my feeding. I dont know if its just me but my magazine seems to be fairly loose and not a snug fit. If I load the mag with the bolt closed it doesn't pick up the first round unless I open the bolt and tap the mag up. It almost always fails to pick up the last round unless I hold the bottom of the mag up.
Very very frustrating. Anyone have any ideas or atleast having similar problems? I know I can just cut the bolt (screw) but id rather order another one first before I cut the only one I have if it doesn't work.
http://www.pacifictoolandgauge.com/remingtonperf.htm
Scroll down to bottom metal and you'll find the combo price one in stealth and flush.
Scroll down to bottom metal and you'll find the combo price one in stealth and flush.
Got my bdl dbm and "dropped" it in my rifle stock. Fit was a tad tight but didn't need any modification to the stock. I found that the magazine wouldn't seat due to it catching on the bottom of the feed ramp. So do I take down the feed ramp to accept the mag properly or just say screw it and go with the m5 inlet? I was trying to avoid Inletting the stock since at some point I planned to sell it and my concern with altering the feed ramp to accepting the mag is that in the future if I go to a chassis system that utilizes a different mag and OAL could it result in feed issues?
Yes imo the latch is too short and the modification cut on the front of the mag is not deep enough. The latch needs to be longer and the cut at the front of the mag needs to be deeper so the mag sits higher for proper feeding. On my combination the DBM is as high in the stock as possible (the inlet is as deep as possible). The top of the DBM touches the action so I cannot inlet any deeper. PTG is making a run of longer latches (that are weeks out) that they will sell you at additional cost.
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Well thats pretty chicken shit that theyre making you buy something to make your item work like it should from the beginning. Really glad I didnt buy these now.
Be patient guys, this is a brand new design Kliff is bringing to the market... At a very discounted price compared to the alternative that almost requires a mill to DIY install and make work properly or pay anywhere from 75-200 hundred more dollars plus the shipping of your firearms to have installed professional. I know from using chassis’s that not all R700’s are the same size as some fit higher or lower in stocks and one can run into problems with the AICS mags and the latch length there as well. We don’t hear about it much anymore because a lot of the growing pains have been ironed out over the last 10-15 years with the AICS mags and its relationship with the action. This DBM is new and were going full circle again, only we are not paying 200+ for the DBM.
I managed to get one of the longer latches and am waiting on two more, one for a R700 and one for a M70. Install on the one I did get went easy.
Now to address the R700 mags.
I had already altered one from my M70 purchase not realizing that the ones that came with the R700 had been cut. A little time on that one with a dremmel and a cut off wheel and stone got it working. On the mags that came with the R700 DBM I did need to deepen the cut going down the mag body toward the removable base plate and now they are working. I didn’t need to deepen it much. Now it is working on all my mags in both the M70 and R700 rifles.
So... with a spare short latch (the one I replaced in the R700 DBM) I decided to attempt to lengthen the latch so it would fix my frequent miss feeds in the M70. IIRC, the short latch (R700) is 1.912ish and the long latch is 1.96ish... just so happens that the latch in my M70 is also 1.961ish... So in an effort to get the M70 up and running 100% I needed to extend it. Probably the best way to do this is to put a bead of weld on the end of the latch like smiths do to get the AW mags to run in custom and/or altered R700 actions. The only problem is I don’t have a welder. So I decided to head out to my garage and look to see what tools I had that may work. Going from tips when I was working on my AW system I know another way is to peen the steel (compressing it to grow in length). I found a torch, and two sledge hammers, one that has a tapered end. A little time heating and hammering and I had added a latch a little over 2.1 inches. I test fit this into the M70 and it was too long. A file came to the rescue and once I was down to 1.99 most of my mags would work. Taking .005 more off or 1.985ish OAL, all the mags work in the M70.
So both rifles are up and running with a DIY install.
I managed to get one of the longer latches and am waiting on two more, one for a R700 and one for a M70. Install on the one I did get went easy.
Now to address the R700 mags.
I had already altered one from my M70 purchase not realizing that the ones that came with the R700 had been cut. A little time on that one with a dremmel and a cut off wheel and stone got it working. On the mags that came with the R700 DBM I did need to deepen the cut going down the mag body toward the removable base plate and now they are working. I didn’t need to deepen it much. Now it is working on all my mags in both the M70 and R700 rifles.
So... with a spare short latch (the one I replaced in the R700 DBM) I decided to attempt to lengthen the latch so it would fix my frequent miss feeds in the M70. IIRC, the short latch (R700) is 1.912ish and the long latch is 1.96ish... just so happens that the latch in my M70 is also 1.961ish... So in an effort to get the M70 up and running 100% I needed to extend it. Probably the best way to do this is to put a bead of weld on the end of the latch like smiths do to get the AW mags to run in custom and/or altered R700 actions. The only problem is I don’t have a welder. So I decided to head out to my garage and look to see what tools I had that may work. Going from tips when I was working on my AW system I know another way is to peen the steel (compressing it to grow in length). I found a torch, and two sledge hammers, one that has a tapered end. A little time heating and hammering and I had added a latch a little over 2.1 inches. I test fit this into the M70 and it was too long. A file came to the rescue and once I was down to 1.99 most of my mags would work. Taking .005 more off or 1.985ish OAL, all the mags work in the M70.
So both rifles are up and running with a DIY install.
Well I hate for this to be my first post, but I am sorely disappointed in the customer service at PTG. I purchased the "bolt-in" DBM around Thanksgiving and received it last week. It was immediately apparent that the bottom metal was not going to fit at all without grinding part of my brand new B&C M40. Rather than make permanent modifications to my stock for a single stack system, I reached out to PTG to return the product for a refund. I was told I am stuck with a 15% restock fee even though I believe the product is mislabled as bolt-in. The customer service rep told me that it is not stated bolt-in ready and then attached a screen shot with a disclaimer saying you will have to modify some stocks.
If I order something without reading the fine print and get something I didn't want or ask for then I will admit I'm an idiot. However, there is NO disclaimer that advertised "bolt-in" parts require fitting, grinding, buying additional parts (as stated by other posters).
Am I wrong?? Here is a screen shot I just took from the Combo Sales product page.
If I order something without reading the fine print and get something I didn't want or ask for then I will admit I'm an idiot. However, there is NO disclaimer that advertised "bolt-in" parts require fitting, grinding, buying additional parts (as stated by other posters).
Am I wrong?? Here is a screen shot I just took from the Combo Sales product page.
I tried but had to return it. It was too long for both my B&C A3 stock and the original tuperware stock on a R700 SA Varmint. I ordered before the bundle price showed up (not too anxious about the dropin BM potential, huh). Sheila was nice enough to offer the bundle discount after the fact. Measuring with my calipers, it was 0.035 too long. I don't have the tools or experience to try and inlet it myself. I could not find any local shops that could do it either. I haven't heard back about the credit either (it was received a week ago). I am hoping I am not stuck with shipping two ways and a restocking fee too.
