I am looking at purchasing a Bushnell Elite 3.5-21 with G2DMR reticle for my SR25. I am new to precision shooting so my question is am I better suited with the DMR model with no zero stop and .5 turrets or the HDMR XRS with zero stops and .10 turrets? I plan on shooting mainly out to 500-600 yds but occasionally stretch to 1000yds to ring steel. I am ready to pull the trigger on one of these scopes and looking for some input so I get the right scope for my needs. Thanks
Rifle Scopes Bushy DMR or HDMR?
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Just to clarify,
DMR 3.5-21 is the 5 mil per turn non Zero Stop
ERS 3.5-21 is the 10 mil per turn with Zero Stop
XRS is the 4.5-30 10 mil per turn with Zero Stop
The "G2" prefix in the G2DMR is the G2 Reticle
The "H" prefix in the "HDMR" is the Horus Reticle
I believe each click is .1 mil regardless of the 5 mil per turn as on the DMR or 10 mil per turn on the ERS and XRS.
That being said, if price point is an issue, DMR is the lowest of the three. If price point is not a factor, then really it comes down to your preference of magnification range i.e. ERS 3.5-21 or XRS 4.5-30.
Good luck in your decision.
DMR 3.5-21 is the 5 mil per turn non Zero Stop
ERS 3.5-21 is the 10 mil per turn with Zero Stop
XRS is the 4.5-30 10 mil per turn with Zero Stop
The "G2" prefix in the G2DMR is the G2 Reticle
The "H" prefix in the "HDMR" is the Horus Reticle
I believe each click is .1 mil regardless of the 5 mil per turn as on the DMR or 10 mil per turn on the ERS and XRS.
That being said, if price point is an issue, DMR is the lowest of the three. If price point is not a factor, then really it comes down to your preference of magnification range i.e. ERS 3.5-21 or XRS 4.5-30.
Good luck in your decision.
I have an ERS on my bolt gun and I love it.
The ERS is a pricey upgrade to the DMR... $400 or so for 10 mil/rev turrets and a zero stop.
Other than that they are identical glass and specs.
I've had DMRs (and an HDMR w/H59 for a few weeks) and the XRS.
Because of the locking mechanism, there is inherently a little play in the turret knobs... with the closer clicks of the 10 mil/rev ERS and XRS, it was at times difficult to see what .1 mil elevation click I was on.
For that reason the DMR turrets may have an edge for some people.
The XRS, having the same exact glass as the DMR, couldn't deliver really good performance at 30x. Under ideal conditions it was useable, in lower light conditions, it was a bit dark at 30x.
The DMR, selling new for $1160 with the G2DMR reticle at Liberty Optics (last I looked), is a very good value in my experience.
If you want a Horus reticle, HDMRs show up used here sometimes, otherwise they're closer to $1500 new.
The Horus reticle wasn't for me.
Dunno if any of that is helpful, but that's my 16 cents (adjusted for inflation)
Joe
Other than that they are identical glass and specs.
I've had DMRs (and an HDMR w/H59 for a few weeks) and the XRS.
Because of the locking mechanism, there is inherently a little play in the turret knobs... with the closer clicks of the 10 mil/rev ERS and XRS, it was at times difficult to see what .1 mil elevation click I was on.
For that reason the DMR turrets may have an edge for some people.
The XRS, having the same exact glass as the DMR, couldn't deliver really good performance at 30x. Under ideal conditions it was useable, in lower light conditions, it was a bit dark at 30x.
The DMR, selling new for $1160 with the G2DMR reticle at Liberty Optics (last I looked), is a very good value in my experience.
If you want a Horus reticle, HDMRs show up used here sometimes, otherwise they're closer to $1500 new.
The Horus reticle wasn't for me.
Dunno if any of that is helpful, but that's my 16 cents (adjusted for inflation)
Joe
I have a bushy eluite 3-12x44 g2dmr ffp on my 556 now, and because i love that reticle so much and equally impressed with the glass, I will be purchasing a new ERS for my FN SPR A2/A4 (Tac-Cord).
Have been shooting with 6-24x50 Sightron SIIIs & Vortex PSTs. Both scopes had excellent tracking, usable reticles, and good enough optical quality for the shooting I've been doing, which is mainly steel out to 1400yds.
However, these were all SFP scopes, and that was messing with me while shooting movers. So we're now in the off season, and I decided to buy a FFP scope, preferably with a zero stop, since I'd managed to lose track of elevation a couple of times while shooting with the SIII on my 284. Zeroing a stage due to this particular brain fart isn't on my list of 'fun' things to do at a match, so I machined out some black delrin zero stops for my SIIIs, but that still left me with the issue of figuring changes of reticle hashmarks with magnification changes.
I had a budget of $1700, and in researching scope threads here, the Bushnell ERS 3.5-21x50 looked like the most bang for the buck, so that's what I bought. I put it on my M700 260 Imp 30*, and it finally warmed up enough to get out and get some trigger time with it. Very pleased with the results, though seeing all the photos & specs of the 4.5-27x56 Gen II Vortex Razor is making me wonder how long it'll be before they're available - I really like the proportions of these new Gen II scopes, and am very curious as to how much better quality glass they may have over my new Bushy.
ETA - Not sure how necessary a zero stop is with the 10 mil turrets of the ERS, but it's there, and if nothing else, it'll provide peace of mind, and one less chance to totally screw a match up.
However, these were all SFP scopes, and that was messing with me while shooting movers. So we're now in the off season, and I decided to buy a FFP scope, preferably with a zero stop, since I'd managed to lose track of elevation a couple of times while shooting with the SIII on my 284. Zeroing a stage due to this particular brain fart isn't on my list of 'fun' things to do at a match, so I machined out some black delrin zero stops for my SIIIs, but that still left me with the issue of figuring changes of reticle hashmarks with magnification changes.
I had a budget of $1700, and in researching scope threads here, the Bushnell ERS 3.5-21x50 looked like the most bang for the buck, so that's what I bought. I put it on my M700 260 Imp 30*, and it finally warmed up enough to get out and get some trigger time with it. Very pleased with the results, though seeing all the photos & specs of the 4.5-27x56 Gen II Vortex Razor is making me wonder how long it'll be before they're available - I really like the proportions of these new Gen II scopes, and am very curious as to how much better quality glass they may have over my new Bushy.
ETA - Not sure how necessary a zero stop is with the 10 mil turrets of the ERS, but it's there, and if nothing else, it'll provide peace of mind, and one less chance to totally screw a match up.
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