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KMW Sentinel Rifle Eye Candy

jelrod1

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I took delivery today of two additional barrels for my KMW Sentinel rifle. The barrel that has been on it is .308 and the new ones are another .308 24" and a 6.5x47 Lapua 25". Both Krieger. 308 is 11 twist light varmint and the 6.5x47 is 8 twist heavy palma. Got the barrel vise and Surgeon action wrench out tonight and switched out. Can't wait for load development. Hopefully do some of that this coming weekend. Will start out with 130 grain Berger VLD/Varget/CCI 450.






Engraving lines up as well as indicator mark at 12:00



 
Terry keeps all dimensions related to chambering a new barrel per serial number for that purpose. Great that you don't have to send the gun in. He's been great to deal with. I just used a Brownells barrel vise and a Surgeon action wrench. I put an index card on each side of the vise to make sure I didn't mark up the Cerakote. Headspace is set by bottoming out to the shoulder since it is properly machined. Don't have to set with gages like Savage.
 
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Terry keeps all dimensions related to chambering a new barrel per serial number for that purpose. Headspace is set by bottoming out to the shoulder since it is properly machined.


Are you just snugging it up, or does he suggest torqueing to 100 pounds...or whatever?
 
Very nice setup. Great choice of starting loads for the 6.5x47. Mine came together nicely with that combo. Looking forward to a range report.

Regards,

paul
 
In the last pic you can see the mark at 12:00. I believe it's something he does after chambering to aid in marking the barrel in the proper place. Terry would have to confirm that I'm just guessing. All I know is that it ends up at 12:00 after the shoulder bottoms out and the lettering ends up in the correct spot and it's on every barrel.

I guess it could also be used to aid in timing the grooves, but I'm not sure he's doing that.
 
Very nice setup. Great choice of starting loads for the 6.5x47. Mine came together nicely with that combo. Looking forward to a range report.

Regards,

paul

Out of curiosity what Oal did you end up with on this combo? Found the lands on mine and it ends up at 2.781 for a square mark. Feeds through the mag good and seems to be plenty surface in the neck, just wondering what others get.
Thanks
 
Out of curiosity what Oal did you end up with on this combo? Found the lands on mine and it ends up at 2.781 for a square mark. Feeds through the mag good and seems to be plenty surface in the neck, just wondering what others get.
Thanks

My load came in at 2.742 OAL. This is .012 into the rifling with my load.

Regards,

Paul
 
How difficult is it to switch barrels? Go and No Go gauge?

When I build rifles or rebarrel in the shop, I torque to 80 ft/lbs on standard size actions and 100 ft/lbs. on XL type actions with 1.350" breech dia.
These aren't magic numbers, just a way of being consistent. I honestly think the guns would shoot fine with half that. As long as you are not over torqueing, you can swap barrels onto the receiver 100 times and not change headspace. Each barrel is serial numbered to the host receiver. When it is tight, it is headspaced correctly. No gauges needed on each change out.

NOTE: While I triple check the headspace of the replacement barrel before shipping, I would not blame any customer for checking the headspace with a gauge before firing the first shot regardless of where the barrel came from.

Records are kept on every rifle built. Extra barrels can be built with correct thread wire gauge, headspace, breech clearance, etc. for the original host action. I have repeatable fixture that I can use to record exactly how the barrel should clock to the original host action also. This allows all barrel markings to line up on the rifle when installed.

The TDC mark on the barrels is simply my way of timing the bore curvature while in the lathe. The same mark is used as an index to accurately align the marking on extra barrels also.

Basically you ignore the punch mark when installing the replacement barrel. Make sure that all of your threads and both shoulder surfaces are clean and then torque. There is no matching index mark on the receiver and using a torque lighter or heavier than mentioned will not vary the headspace over half a tenth if that. NOTE: You can certainly over tighten a barrel and compress the shoulder a little. Barrel steels are soft and especially when using barrels with smaller breech diameters (that result in very small shoulder areas) the smaller contact area is more prone to compression. Just no need to go that darned tight and nothing at all good to gain from it.

Jelrod1, I am glad you got them in and are pleased. Thank you for your patience and your business.
 
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I know you hear it all the time Terry, but your work is truly impressive. Thanks for sharing some info on your process.

Congrats to the OP on the new addition.
 
Thanks Terry for the explanation. Besides the quality of components and quality of work, it is great that the gun doesn't have to come in for a rebarrel and can shoot the other while waiting. Truly happy with every aspect of this rifle.
 
Thanks Guy.

My best warm fuzzies are when I get a short text or email from a customer or officer after training or competing or work related business. Can snap me right out of a bitchy, grumpy mood when I think I'm buried. Keeps my focus sharp on the guys counting on them for recreation or other stuff.

I am super fortunate to work in this community.
 
You're very welcome jelrod1.

BTW, I noticed a very slight tone difference between the receiver and new barrel in your posted pictures. If you haven't done it already, you can wipe down the exterior of the 2 new barrels with RemOil or similar. I usually do that before packing them up for shipping but think yours went out dry on the outside and a light film of ShootersChoice in the bore. The CeraKote will get a little less matte and darken just a smidge after you wipe it down the first time. That would help adjust a little closer to your receiver CeraKote.
 
I too have often wondered about bbl torques and what is the go to standard when switching bbls.
Thank you for the very nice explanation...
 
WOW. That is one heck of a setup! Love the McCamo Stock. If I had any self-discipline I'd start saving my pennies. Congrats on a crazy nice build. I'd be interested to see a range report and hear what caliber you end up preferring between the two, if any.
 
Thanks again Terry. The color difference was not as bad as it looked in these pictures looking at it in the daylight. After cleaning everything up to get ready for shooting its a perfect match.

Work and family obligations seem to be getting in the way of me shooting it this weekend but I may load several up tonight and get to shoot them tomorrow for a pressure test. Next weekend will be load development with 130 VLD's. Hope to work up to 37.5 or so Varget.

I've got around 1100 rounds on the first .308 barrel and if the 6.5x47 barrel is anything close to it, it will be a shooter. I've been shooting at much longer distances lately and have been feeling the limitations of .308 for first shot hits so am looking forward to the 6.5 and it's ballistics. If I limit myself to 750 and under the .308 serves me well.
 
Terry are you still able to build off of Surgeon receivers or have you had to move on to others? Any other particular receivers you personally like?

One day I will own a full KMW build!
 
When I build rifles or rebarrel in the shop, I torque to 80 ft/lbs on standard size actions and 100 ft/lbs. on XL type actions with 1.350" breech dia.
These aren't magic numbers, just a way of being consistent. I honestly think the guns would shoot fine with half that. As long as you are not over torqueing, you can swap barrels onto the receiver 100 times and not change headspace. Each barrel is serial numbered to the host receiver. When it is tight, it is headspaced correctly. No gauges needed on each change out.

NOTE: While I triple check the headspace of the replacement barrel before shipping, I would not blame any customer for checking the headspace with a gauge before firing the first shot regardless of where the barrel came from.

Records are kept on every rifle built. Extra barrels can be built with correct thread wire gauge, headspace, breech clearance, etc. for the original host action. I have repeatable fixture that I can use to record exactly how the barrel should clock to the original host action also. This allows all barrel markings to line up on the rifle when installed.

The TDC mark on the barrels is simply my way of timing the bore curvature while in the lathe. The same mark is used as an index to accurately align the marking on extra barrels also.

Basically you ignore the punch mark when installing the replacement barrel. Make sure that all of your threads and both shoulder surfaces are clean and then torque. There is no matching index mark on the receiver and using a torque lighter or heavier than mentioned will not vary the headspace over half a tenth if that. NOTE: You can certainly over tighten a barrel and compress the shoulder a little. Barrel steels are soft and especially when using barrels with smaller breech diameters (that result in very small shoulder areas) the smaller contact area is more prone to compression. Just no need to go that darned tight and nothing at all good to gain from it.

Jelrod1, I am glad you got them in and are pleased. Thank you for your patience and your business.


Thanks for the detailed explanation, Terry. :)
 
That is a nice set up. Terry is the man. I am not fortunate enough to own one of his sticks, but I am fortunate enough to have one on loan...

Here is some more "eye candy" of Terry's work...



 
Nice rifle Jelrod1 and spswatip, you both have a great builder to work with. Terry's on a very short list of trusted builders/shooters that I have. I've known Terry for several years and he's been 110% solid gold since day one. I'm sure the extra barrels will shoot in small dots.
 
When I build rifles or rebarrel in the shop, I torque to 80 ft/lbs on standard size actions and 100 ft/lbs. on XL type actions with 1.350" breech dia.
These aren't magic numbers, just a way of being consistent. I honestly think the guns would shoot fine with half that. As long as you are not over torqueing, you can swap barrels onto the receiver 100 times and not change headspace. Each barrel is serial numbered to the host receiver. When it is tight, it is headspaced correctly. No gauges needed on each change out.

NOTE: While I triple check the headspace of the replacement barrel before shipping, I would not blame any customer for checking the headspace with a gauge before firing the first shot regardless of where the barrel came from.

Records are kept on every rifle built. Extra barrels can be built with correct thread wire gauge, headspace, breech clearance, etc. for the original host action. I have repeatable fixture that I can use to record exactly how the barrel should clock to the original host action also. This allows all barrel markings to line up on the rifle when installed.

The TDC mark on the barrels is simply my way of timing the bore curvature while in the lathe. The same mark is used as an index to accurately align the marking on extra barrels also.

Basically you ignore the punch mark when installing the replacement barrel. Make sure that all of your threads and both shoulder surfaces are clean and then torque. There is no matching index mark on the receiver and using a torque lighter or heavier than mentioned will not vary the headspace over half a tenth if that. NOTE: You can certainly over tighten a barrel and compress the shoulder a little. Barrel steels are soft and especially when using barrels with smaller breech diameters (that result in very small shoulder areas) the smaller contact area is more prone to compression. Just no need to go that darned tight and nothing at all good to gain from it.

Jelrod1, I am glad you got them in and are pleased. Thank you for your patience and your business.


This is the attention to detail that separates the men from the boys. Nicely done Terry.

Regards,

Paul
 
.......... but I am fortunate enough to have one on loan...

Here is some more "eye candy" of Terry's work...

Those pictures make me moist. :) That's just cool looking photography.
And thanks. I'm glad your loaner is running well.


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Thanks Paul. Shop is 26 years old this year. I'm still learning and trying to improve.
 
Yep. Thats how you build a rifle....

I've talked with Jon Beanland and hopefully I'll be doing the same thing once Badger Ord. comes out with a WSM bolt for my M2008 (I'm going to drink the 6.5 saum koolaid:)).

Congrats. Truely a work of art!
 
Finally got the first 25 rounds down the tube on the 6.5x47 barrel. I figured that I would be ending up somewhere around 37.5 of Varget so I tried a couple seating depths there. These 130 VLD hunting bullets seem to be picky at their depth unless I just blew the group at touch. Next up will be checking velocity and a seating depth test at 37.5. I'll seat them long and take the arbor press to the range and try to get the groups as small and as round as possible then stretch it out to 500 thru 1000. Fairly pleased with it at this point. Thanks again Terry.

 
I would love to have one of his builds. Would really like to get my hands on one of those stocks.