Anschütz 64 MPR for tactical matches?

[mtcur3]

Has anyone see this article? Rimfire Tactical Precision Match They recommend the model 64 MPR.
I have several CZs and was thinking of adding a Lilja barrel to one of them. I'm now thinking of just going with a 64. Does anyone have any experience with the 64 as compared to a Lilja barreled CZ?
Thanks.

 

[russ10x]

Check out the post about these type of matches from Top Predetor....we have been trying to garner interest. Any Anny will kick butt, but you need a repeater, and I am not familiar with this type of gun...

 

[STR]

The MPR is a repeater. It comes with a 5 round mag, and there is an optional 10 round mag for it. It shoots great, and quite a bit smoother than the CZ's. I have both, and love both.

 

[bunsen27]

They do alright.

I'll let Yote and Chckn give you the particulars, but you'd be hard pressed to find an Anz64 that doesn't shoot with good ammo. The Lija does generally increase the CZ's accuracy, but if it meets or exceeds the out of the box accuracy of an Annie is still TBD. The Anz64 hands down though has a far superior trigger than the CZ can ever have. It would certainly NOT be money wasted if you bought a 64MPR.

 

[djdilliodon]

I've had the pleasure of shooting a 64 MPR at the local range last year. The rifle was a 17 hmr and the owner was nice enough to let me try a few groups with it. The action is superior to the CZ which is to be expected and the trigger was pretty nice as well. I shot 4 groups of 5 shots each and it consistently grouped in the .3's. The owner let me check out his targets and a few groups measured low .2's with an overall average I'd say of .3's. IMO the rifle is worth every penny and I kick myself in the ass everytime I think of the time I saw one used for $800 in clean condition at a local gun shop and didn't buy it.

The CZ with a lilja will give you that kind of performance or slightly better at a lower cost. No it won't have the fit or finish of the Annie and the action won't be as smooth either but it costs 3-4 times less. I've built quite a few 455's with Lilja's and with match ammo they average around .25" at 50 yards with conditions being ideal. One should know that just slapping a lilja on a 455 most likely ain't gonna give you a rifle that will do .2's at 50 yards. You have to do supporting mods (as I like to call it) in order to achieve that kind of accuracy. I won't go into detail here on what's needed but it can all be done for under $800 easy which includes the cost of the rifle if you do it all yourself.

 

[mtcur3]

Thanks for the information. That's what I was looking for. I'd rather not have to do the supporting mods on the CZ. I'll be looking for a 64.

 

[steve123]

I'll put it this way. It's extremely hard for 95% of other 22 rifles to compete with a MPR. I rate it the best bang for the buck 22 rifle.

 

[Speeddog]

I've been using a 64MPR for the last two years to "hone" my fundamentals for high power. Depending on ammo it'll shoot one hole groups at 50 yards and not much worse at 100.

Tom Manners is building me a T4a stock that Chad Dixon is going to setup for me. Absolutely nothing wrong with the factory stock but I'm trying to replicate the feel of some of my center fire rigs. I am not competing with the MPR but I'd think it would be pretty much unbeatable.

 

[yoteman]

I've been using a 64MPR for the last two years to "hone" my fundamentals for high power. Depending on ammo it'll shoot one hole groups at 50 yards and not much worse at 100.

Tom Manners is building me a T4a stock that Chad Dixon is going to setup for me. Absolutely nothing wrong with the factory stock but I'm trying to replicate the feel of some of my center fire rigs. I am not competing with the MPR but I'd think it would be pretty much unbeatable.

ok a manners for the MPR i will be waiting on details, PLEASE
OP like i have said an still stick to my actions
CZ 455 manners stock(painted by short bus)
lilja hv barrl,
YO dave trigger
custom bolt work
cost $1125.00 not $800.00
now this dose not count scope, 20MOA base, rings, beading,
annie MPR 64 old one will stay with me forevery, paid $750.00(was a used gun)
MPR 64 new(to me still used but like new) picked up newyears $900.00 ( for sale by the way)
will the cz455 shoot as good as the annies NO may be at 50yd, but not past 100
as far as tact match use, not real sure how many are used at the tactical steel challenge
but safe to say over 50%, this is as true a tact match as we can shoot,(not a rimfire F class, or a benchmatch)
the apache, an chikin , will get you out of your comfort zone, an a good running rimfire is a must
now my 2 cents a annie mpr 64,copper, 40x,win52, sako quard,cz452/455, savage, 10/22,
will all get the job done,i just like the MPR better,
now before anyone jumps my SHIT, i have had or shot all above or seen how they perform.
not a SWAG here hope you find what you are looking for,
but get out there at some tact match an have fun

 

[djdilliodon]

ok a manners for the MPR i will be waiting on details, PLEASE
OP like i have said an still stick to my actions
CZ 455 manners stock(painted by short bus)
lilja hv barrl,
YO dave trigger
custom bolt work
cost $1125.00 not $800.00
now this dose not count scope, 20MOA base, rings, beading,
annie MPR 64 old one will stay with me forevery, paid $750.00(was a used gun)
MPR 64 new(to me still used but like new) picked up newyears $900.00 ( for sale by the way)
will the cz455 shoot as good as the annies NO may be at 50yd, but not past 100
as far as tact match use, not real sure how many are used at the tactical steel challenge
but safe to say over 50%, this is as true a tact match as we can shoot,(not a rimfire F class, or a benchmatch)
the apache, an chikin , will get you out of your comfort zone, an a good running rimfire is a must
now my 2 cents a annie mpr 64,copper, 40x,win52, sako quard,cz452/455, savage, 10/22,
will all get the job done,i just like the MPR better,
now before anyone jumps my SHIT, i have had or shot all above or seen how they perform.
not a SWAG here hope you find what you are looking for,
but get out there at some tact match an have fun

Cz455 American synthetic $350 new minus $150 for selling off stock and barrel. $200
Boyds tacticool (or any boyds that you like) $100
Lilja straight .900" $400
Yodave kit, bedding supplies, pillars, J&P firing pin spring ect $100

Total $800

I just did that to show how I came up with the $800 figure which you listed in your post.

 

[yoteman]

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Cz455 American synthetic $350 new minus $150 for selling off stock and barrel. $200
Boyds tacticool (or any boyds that you like) $100
Lilja straight .900" $400
Yodave kit, bedding supplies, pillars, J&P firing pin spring ect $100





basing offtal $800

I just did that to show how I came up with the $800 figure which you listed in your post.

i was baseing off a manners,stock factory, with a 22 mag barrel, thaI will keep an not sell yes you can go your way,
did that for my brother inlaw an it also works fine.
not stepping on toes here, that was not my intention, just what I did
hope the OP. gets something soon an good shooting to all
dj what ammo does your cz like best.

 

[djdilliodon]

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i was baseing off a manners,stock factory, with a 22 mag barrel, thaI will keep an not sell yes you can go your way,
did that for my brother inlaw an it also works fine.
not stepping on toes here, that was not my intention, just what I did
hope the OP. gets something soon an good shooting to all
dj what ammo does your cz like best.

With mine I got lucky as it loves eley edge. The others I have done showed preference for eley match, lapua Midas +, and one liked R50. Another thing I noticed is the Lilja's with the eley match chamber would pretty much shoot any match ammo pretty damn good. The Lilja's that had the lilja match chamber showed a preference to a larger degree.

 

[mk44666]

The 64mpr when you find the right ammo it is hard to beat the groups the rifle will produce when you do your part. I got one about a little over a year ago it liked eley black box match the best it shot I wish I had many more boxes of that lot number.

 

[armorpl8chikn]

A lot of guys are basing their performance from 50yd results. That is fine. In some tactical matches you will be required to make shots far past 50yds. At 22TSC Conover you will test the absolute limits of any rimfire platform. If it has a chink in the armor, we will find it. If you are a shooter, we will know it, irrespective of your equipment. We know what the different models will and won't do. All I can tell you is this; Over a 4 year period, many matches and approximately 200 different shooters. The Anschutz brand has dominated. Monies a plenty have been thrown at other brands, but a man who wants to win with regularity, will field an Anschutz.
Get an Anschutz and you will save yourself money, time and headaches. I have been down the other roads and money spent on an MPR is money ahead EVERY time, no matter how you crunch the numbers.

 

[bm11]

A lot of guys are basing their performance from 50yd results. That is fine. In some tactical matches you will be required to make shots far past 50yds. At 22TSC Conover you will test the absolute limits of any rimfire platform. If it has a chink in the armor, we will find it. If you are a shooter, we will know it, irrespective of your equipment. We know what the different models will and won't do. All I can tell you is this; Over a 4 year period, many matches and approximately 200 different shooters. The Anschutz brand has dominated. Monies a plenty have been thrown at other brands, but a man who wants to win with regularity, will field an Anschutz.
Get an Anschutz and you will save yourself money, time and headaches. I have been down the other roads and money spent on an MPR is money ahead EVERY time, no matter how you crunch the numbers.

Words of wisdom here. My 455/Manners/Lilja will outshoot my Anschutz 54 at 50 yards, but gets smoked beyond that. Not sure why, but my half MOA CZ turns into a 1 plus MOA rifle at 100 yards, where my .6XX MOA Annie is a .6XX rifle at both distances. Out at 200 and beyond, it's anyone's game.

 

[djdilliodon]

Words of wisdom here. My 455/Manners/Lilja will outshoot my Anschutz 54 at 50 yards, but gets smoked beyond that. Not sure why, but my half MOA CZ turns into a 1 plus MOA rifle at 100 yards, where my .6XX MOA Annie is a .6XX rifle at both distances. Out at 200 and beyond, it's anyone's game.

I always wondered if it was caused by lock time? My 455 with lilja shot noticeably better at 100 yards after a J&P firing pin spring.

 

[Kiba]

Tom Manners is building me a T4a stock that Chad Dixon is going to setup for me. Absolutely nothing wrong with the factory stock but I'm trying to replicate the feel of some of my center fire rigs. I am not competing with the MPR but I'd think it would be pretty much unbeatable.

Keep us updated on the Manners / LongRifles Anschutz stock. Is Manners doing all the inletting and Chad doing the final bedding/assembly or is Tom sending a blank stock to Chad for the inletting?

If that pans out I may have to part with both of my Sako Quad builds (1 .22LR, 1 .17HMR) in Manners T4s with Lilja barrels.

While the Quads are really nice rifles an Anschutz 64 MPR in .22 and another in .17HMR would be even better provided T4A stocks were available for them. I've always liked the 64MPR after shooting one but couldn't get used to the stock after spending so much time with the T4s on my Quads. I would love to have an .22LR and a .17HMR Anschutz in T4A stocks!

 

[Speeddog]

Tom is building me a "high tang" T4a that will have a grooved fore end. Chad will do all the fitting, inletting etc. From our conversation I think there will be a fair bit of customizing involved. If you look at Chad's and my two year thread about a Scimitar custom in a T5A I think you'll get some idea of the work involved. Action fitting will be an issue as will magazine adaptation. The MPR is so accurate I think it will be worth it though I've got a Euro-optic custom Quad in a McMillan stock that's almost as good.

Frankly I love accurate .22s. They make great practice rifles. I cut my teeth in 3 position smallbore back in the 60s shooting an Anschutz free rifle and never forgot how much fun that could be.