Which bullet would you rather run in a 26" surgeon 6.5 creed? I do hunt with it some, but I rather have the best performance at distance. My gun Shoots them Both really well. The Amax for some reason doesn't shoot all that awesome at 100..bout .6? But I have managed a 4 inch group at 900 with them. The berger shoots almost .3s at 100. Haven't shot them at distance yet.
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Run with the 140, higher BC and wind won't push it around as much as the 130. Amax is a great do it all projectile.
I have similar experiences, only with the 140 Amax vs the Norma 130 (very similar to Berger). The Norma 130 is more accurate at 100 and has about the same BC as the 140. It has less drop and about equal wind at 1k. One thing I've found very useful for comparing bullets is Litz's ballistic book. You want to compare "form factors" vs. strict BC numbers. Even though a heavier bullet may have a higher BC, a lighter bullet can beat it if you can shoot it fast enough.
So are yall saying that you can use an Amax for hunting? I thought it was a target only bullet.
I've never shot game other than antelope with the 140 AMAX out of my Creedmoor...I've accounted for 4, my brother 1 additional and my hunting /shooting partner another. All 6 were 1 shot kills with a cumulative travel after shot of about 20 feet. Ranges from 80 yards to 285. One head shot (can you say canoe?) the rest full broadside through both shoulders. The 140 AMAX was superlative, at least on antelope. I shot a bunch of whitetails over the years and bet you would see similar performance.
Something I just came across in the Litz book was an assessment on the Lethality of Long Range Hunting Bullets (Chapter 15) which indicates the Berger 130 and 140 VLD bullets followed by the Hornady 129SST as the top 3 in the "medium case capacity" 6.5mm section ("similar to 6.5x55). The MVs listed appear to be on par with realistic 6.5CM velocities.
No wrong answer to this question, in theory. I would test both in your rifle and pick the one that shoots with better precision at the range you hope to use it at. Unless you are shooting out a long ways, the improved BC on the 140 Amax will not outperform the increased speed on the 130 VLDs.
I will mention however, the VLDs can be PITA on seating depth, especially as your throat wears. Some guys never have problems here, but I have seen first hand the VLDs go from "rare unexplained flyer" to "flyer every 5 rounds" and it happened quickly (actually to a buddy of mine at the Alleghany Sniper Challenge!
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I will mention however, the VLDs can be PITA on seating depth, especially as your throat wears. Some guys never have problems here, but I have seen first hand the VLDs go from "rare unexplained flyer" to "flyer every 5 rounds" and it happened quickly (actually to a buddy of mine at the Alleghany Sniper Challenge!
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they kill just as any bullet will when put in the right place. I run the amax in my creed easy to find and price is right.
No wrong answer to this question, in theory. I would test both in your rifle and pick the one that shoots with better precision at the range you hope to use it at. Unless you are shooting out a long ways, the improved BC on the 140 Amax will not outperform the increased speed on the 130 VLDs.
I will mention however, the VLDs can be PITA on seating depth, especially as your throat wears. Some guys never have problems here, but I have seen first hand the VLDs go from "rare unexplained flyer" to "flyer every 5 rounds" and it happened quickly (actually to a buddy of mine at the Alleghany Sniper Challenge!
I shot these at all kinds of seating depths and they seemed to do great at all different places. Do you think It will still be a problem after I get more rounds down barrel?
I can squeeze 43.5 grains of H4350 with no pressure signs and great accuracy with the 130 berger. Is that good enough to get good velocity? My dang 9v battery was out of juice or I would have used chronographer...
It really depends on how fast you push them. The difference is a wash since you can push the 130gr Bergers faster than the 140grs. It really doesn't matter in a bolt gun but in a gas gun, the 130grs tend to feed more realiably depending on your timing. Will also depend on how fast of a barrel twist you have.
But in these times, I would say shoot what bullet you can find.
But in these times, I would say shoot what bullet you can find.
I can't tell you for sure that you will never have problems with VLDs and throat erosion. Varies too much gun to gun. It is a risk however - VLDs show more 'flyers' than bullets with a smoother ogive to bearing surface angle (like SMKs). Just like most things, its a compromise - better BCs but potentially less precision....
