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Rifle Scopes BigJimFish Shot 2014 Coverage: Kahles

I like my Mcree chassis and I think there are some great things they could be doing but I'm not sure i think the ar tube is earth shattering hold your britches this is gonna be star spangled awesome.... Scally hill seems to be a little ahead of the game on this design.
 
Thanks Jim!
I totally agree with you on Leupold... they continue to tease me with stuff that either I really want to buy... but it's just too expensive or more often, stuff that is oh so close to what I want but not quite... I would be all over a MK6 3-18 with the low turret and illumination if they could just make it happen in the $2500 range.
 
Enough of the ridiculously overpriced $3K and $4K scopes ... more of the booth girls!
 
Good info. Would like to see what the XTR IIs look like. That's the most beautiful pistol you've ever seen? To me it looks like one of the Mexican cartel guns from End of watch, haha. To each his own though. Thanks for all the coverage for those of us that can't go and even for the ones that go but don't see everything they set out to see. We appreciate it man.
 
These scope prices that keep popping up at over 3k are insane. I'll stick with my nf f1 for now (til I win the lottery) since its as K.I.S.S. as it gets. Needless to say the optic I'm most impressed with from this shot show has got to be the new vortex 3-18.

In the arena of rifles the AIAT has got to be the steal of the decade. Great price point for what I can assume is a great stick. I will also say it looks as if American rifle company is taking every step in the right direction.

This is rather bold but I'm guessing the new mcrees chassis will be a very good indication of the future of bolt rifle chassis'.
 
The Shows over and my margaritas empty. I’m sad about the margarita anyway. It was the best I ever had. Really, by this time in the show, I’m plenty ready to go home. It’s all a bit much to take in just to see the thing. Add to that a couple hours of writing in the evening as well as a little consulting work and you get a bed time of 2:00 and an alarm at 7:00 with little but a buss ride and dinner to break up the work. It’s a labor of love, you can be damn sure I wouldn’t push papers for those hours.


Shows over. You don’t have to go home, but you can’t stay here.

Today I’m going to do something unusual for this year anyway, and write about a 1-(n)x scope. I’ve been sort of avoiding these so far because I have a whole thread devoted to them that I’m going to have to maintain when I get home. Lets do it anyway. The Elcan Specter TR is their answer to the 1-8x market. Just like the DR, it is unconventional in design. This time the design features 1/3/9x magnification settings that operate via a three-position knob located on the left hand side where the illumination control usually is. This knob turns with virtually no force. It is quite fast. Just as on the Specter DR, the zeroing on this scope is done with exposed adjustments on the base. While I was ok with this on the DR because it is a 1/4x primarily close quarters scope, I’m not a real fan on a scope that goes up to 9x. In general, 1-8x scopes have been for more than your 5.56mm AR, though they certainly work for that. Really, they are targeted at AR-10 variants, which incidentally, now exist even up to .338lm. Miller Precision announced that variant at this years show though they only had the .300 Win Mag on hand to shoot on range day. What I am saying is that I expect to be able to use a 1-8x like a sniper scope, not just like a red dot. I want to be able to effectively dial even if the reticle is a hybrid design, which might actually be the best way to go.


Elcan Specter TR next to the reference Leupold CQBSS in a Bobro 34m cantilever mount.

The reticle in the Specter TR is a BDC type reticle in what looks like the ACOG vein. However, it also sports windage holds. Given the lack of a real easy, comfortable, adjustment knob I am not sure how valuable these holds are. The reticle is in the front focal plane and is very bulky at 9x. The 9x pictures came out terrible so your just going to have to trust me on that one. As for the optics, they didn’t impress me in the way that the DR 1/4x did. The field of view was smaller then the CQBSS I used for a reference. Field of view and been class leading in the DR. Beyond that, the image was darker and yellower. While the resolution might be there, the overall experience was nowhere near the reference CQBSS. The Specter TR felt cramped at all powers and further displayed more pincushion distortion at 1x than I find acceptable even in a mid priced optic. Despite having dot bright illumination I do not expect that it will test very fast. While this optic was a first run and doesn’t have all the kinks worked out, it’s not a pure prototype and I don’t think the optical system and concept are really working. The MAP will be $3,194 and the earliest possible date for availability would be somewhere around midyear.


Elcan Specter TR through the scope at 1x.

This is as good a place as any to mention the Kahles K15i. This 1-5x is new this year and is a less expensive version of the K16i I had unkind things to say about a couple years ago. They thought I was crazy and I thought they were to. It must have been a bad demo scope or something because the ones I saw this year were not lacking in the least whereas that first one certainly was. I’ll go more into specifics later but for now, disregard my previous opinion on the topic.

I think I’ll finish up my on-location blog with a little insight on what I’m thinking about writing this year. You can let me know how much interest or lack thereof you have in the products and/or articles, and I will feel free to take your advice or ignore it. I expect that I’m probably biting off more than I can chew with my regular 9-5 job and doing reticle design work but these are the dreams anyway.

My first thought this year, while shooting at range day was that there has been a tremendous proliferation of multi-caliber field interchangeable systems. Interest in this topic was cemented the moment I saw the new system from Ted at American Rifle Company. My thought is to put together a little article talking a bit about each one and the strengths and weaknesses that I see. I’ll be a bit out of my wheelhouse on this one so well see how it goes. Hopefully I can get it together, make it useful, and not look like an idiot in the process.

The second plan I have, and it’s a good one, is to do a test of different .22lr ammunitions out to 300 yards. I have pretty much set this up Laupa, Eley, and Aguila. They are intrigued at the concept and sound as interested in the results as I am. I have a format in mind so stay tuned. At some point I will reveal it all in the rimfire section.

There will be a review of Kelbly’s tactical rifles this spring.

The following scopes are almost certain to be reviewed:
Leupold Mark 6 3-18x
Burris XTR 2, at least one of the high power variants.
Nightforce SHV
Trijicon VCOG

That is all for now. I’ll continue to trickle out different Shot related pieces for quite a while so if you haven’t yet got what you were looking for you may yet. I’ll also answer some of all those questions you have been asking when I get home to the comfy chair and ridiculously fast computer.

Your moment of Zen. What is the sound of two Violins playing?…. No, that’s not how it goes. Enlightenment fail.

 
If I may add my .02 to the rimfire ammo test concept, I don't see how it would yield much information. It is well know that rimfires are extremely picky when it comes to ammo, even very significant differences between lots. Not only this, but rifles like different lots at different ranges (smallbore competitors are well known to shoot entirely different makes/lots at 50 and 100 yards). Maybe I'm missing something, but what general information would be gained by a test performed with a very small sample of rifles (or rifle, singular)?
 
As promised, answers to some questions that my previous posts didn't address:

steve123 - Jim, let us know if March comes out with any new reticles for their FFP tactical scopes.

Nope, not at this time

7stwlvr - I'm excited to see and hear about the new 26 nosler. Thanks for being our boots on the ground !

Well, I saw some but didn't manage to shoot a rifle chambered in it so I really can't tell you anything that you can't find out with Google. Really, that probably won't even answer your real question though. You really want to know just how long it takes to turn a barrel into a garden stake. I expect you will have to wait until a few folks wear them out to find that out. The word on the street is that brass and ammo will be available by March BTW.

RFutch - Anything new from NF other than the SHV? Thanks for the coverage!

Yes, Beast shipping is set for Q1 this year. There is a competition 15-55x model with 1/8moa adjust and 10 moa per turn ZS knob with a windage knob labeled with 10 moa left and right numbers. Also, of more interest to most of you I expect, there will be a new MOART reticle which is an MOAR with half the line thickness. This will start in the NXS line but is expected to be in the ATACR as well.

0311 Hesco - You have any other parting shots or alibis for Vortex? You just aroused my appetite without beddin'er back down...

I don't see as they really need an alibis for anything. They have those HD Gen II's at a very aggressive price point with excellent features, reticles, and glass. Provided you don't care about weight these are likely to sway you away from much more expensive glass. Sorry about your appetite, they make a product I recommend for that, food.

Jethro80 - Hey big jim did you happen to make it by the Manners booth?

I did not this year. I'm not sure what to say about that, it just didn't happen. I didn't get wind of anything new compelling there and so it just didn't make it high enough on the priorities to happen.

TurboFC3s - Enough of the ridiculously overpriced $3K and $4K scopes ... more of the booth girls!

You said it turbo. This is all I have left in that department. I'm not sure why the Aguila girl was holding up what I assume to be expensive tequila but here you go.


redirt78 - Good info. Would like to see what the XTR IIs look like. That's the most beautiful pistol you've ever seen? To me it looks like one of the Mexican cartel guns from End of watch, haha. To each his own though. Thanks for all the coverage for those of us that can't go and even for the ones that go but don't see everything they set out to see. We appreciate it man.

Here is a profile shot of the Burris next to the Optisan CX6 1-6x in ARC mount for size reference.


Here is a through the scope shot of the 4-20x at 960 yards from range day.


As for the Cabot 1911, you caught me, I like them shiny. Here is one I photographed at the tower of London. This was turned in during one of their turn in your gun and don't go to jail drives. Fortunately, they didn't have the heart to melt it down and put in a museum instead. [/QUOTE]



rideHPD - If I may add my .02 to the rimfire ammo test concept, I don't see how it would yield much information. It is well know that rimfires are extremely picky when it comes to ammo, even very significant differences between lots. Not only this, but rifles like different lots at different ranges (smallbore competitors are well known to shoot entirely different makes/lots at 50 and 100 yards). Maybe I'm missing something, but what general information would be gained by a test performed with a very small sample of rifles (or rifle, singular)?

The way I have it planned out there will a significant number of highly accurate rifles of different makes and models represented and each will shoot a few lots of each ammo. Also, these tests will be conducted from 150 - 300 yards with no mind paid to the performance out to 100. We are not really trying to determine what ammo groups the tightest. Other sites, acurateshooter.com springs to mind, have done this far better. We are trying to figure out what stays stable the furthest and therefore might be the best long distance training round. This is an interesting question as the ammo manufacturers have admitted to me that this is not a design criteria for them and they are themselves curious what we find out. I have heard a lot of discussion on this point some that sounds like it comes from knowledgeable folks I am now looking for a little more concrete data.

Now, for no particular reason except that I like them, some aerial shots from the flight home:

Vegas


Hoover Dam


A random, particularly striking, section of the Grand Canyon.
 
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My first thought this year, while shooting at range day was that there has been a tremendous proliferation of multi-caliber field interchangeable systems. Interest in this topic was cemented the moment I saw the new system from Ted at American Rifle Company. My thought is to put together a little article talking a bit about each one and the strengths and weaknesses that I see. I’ll be a bit out of my wheelhouse on this one so well see how it goes. Hopefully I can get it together, make it useful, and not look like an idiot in the process.


BJF - I second your idea of a thorough review on the multi-caliber rifles. I think if the prices get reasonable and the accuracy is a good as a custom rifle after changing out the barrels - it will be the new big thing that gives people a lot more flexibility. I look forward to hearing your thoughts on the subject.

Love the violin girls!
 
[MENTION=55505]BigJimFish[/MENTION],
I was just really hoping for a little more detail on them. Comparison and whatnot. I'm really excited for them.
 
Shot Blog # 6: Miller Precision, Proof Research, and the TargetVision and Bullseye Camera Systems

For this installment of my Shot reporting, we're going to go back to range day. I talked about some of the products I saw last week but there was far to much to cover in one sitting, so now I'm doubling back to catch some of the other interesting products.

The multiple discovery theory of invention states that most inventions should be expected to be made independently and almost simultaneously by multiple parties because each invention represents a minor edition to, or compilation of, existing discoveries and inventions. This is the theory currently ascribed to by most thinkers on the subject and they would find my showing up at the Miller Precision bench a good example. Miller caught my eye because SWORD international advertised a .338 LM chambered AR platform in a Shot Show media e-mail. I thought this sort of thing might appeal to the military crowd at least as, given the accuracy coming out of autoloading platforms now, I see limited military application for bolt action rifles. .338 LM seems to have established itself as a favorite military long range round and an autoloading platform would be sure to have its uses.

Come show time, I did not remember who had sent the e-mail about the .338 LM AR and when I saw the .300 Win Mag AR that Miller had set up at the show I asked them if they were the company with a .338 LM AR. They said they were but that it wasn't ready yet. I did not reach the correct conclusion at this point, thinking that I had the right company with the wrong product instead of vice versa. Despite not having a fondness for the .300 Win Mag I decided to go ahead and shoot it as it might give me some indication of the companies quality and reliability come time for the .338 LM. The thing about the .300 Win Mag is that it has a belt, requires a long action, and really doesn't deliver much better ballistics than many rounds that fit in a short action. It just kind of feels dated to me, and not in the kind of nostalgic way that .308 or 30-30 does, but rather just old. I would probably like the .300 better if I hunted large game, but I hunt steel, paper, and varmints, so not so much. That diatribe aside, I shot it, fittingly I guess, with Core-Lokt ammo. Wait until the deer get a load of me with a full mag and this thing. The whole setup felt a little strange to me: an overgrown AR all cammoed out with a Mark 4 scope and a classic hunting round in classic hunting caliber. Oh, and they mounted the bipod backwards. It doesn't load so well backwards by the way. I don't mean to say the experience was bad. It wasn't, not at all. The rifle fired and ejected, the steel rang, no problems which, for a semi, is exactly what you are looking for. I like the primary design features of their rifles, which are that all the furniture and the trigger unit are standard AR-10 so you can mix and match. I don't even have a problem with the use of a cammoed AR style rifle for hunting deer with a tactical scope. It's a cliché but aren't we all if we admit it. Really, the only thing that went wrong from Millers standpoint was a bipod I expect was mounted backwards to fit folded in the shipping case and never turned around. That being said, here were are, one missed turn and were in a cornfield in Nebraska. I hope its deer season.


Shooting the Miller .300 Win Mag. Yes, the bipod is backwards - it's more of a challenge that way.

Another interesting company, er..., rather, a conglomeration of them, that was located in the long range section was Proof Research. I say conglomeration because they are the result of a merger of some four (if I remember correctly) entities. They make precision rifles and AR's and when I say that, I mean that they make stocks, actions, and even barrels. Actually, the barrels are probably the most interesting part, as you can buy these for any rifle and they are lightweight carbon fiber wrapped units. They are not cheap, with a blank running $900 and a drop-in AR barrel running $1000. Still, if you are trying to save weight on an AR or hunting rig, it might make sense: their AR barrel saves 24% barrel weight and their bolt gun barrel saves about 50%. In addition to weight savings, they claim significantly improved cooling. I asked them about Melonite (because if you're going to have the bells and whistles why not have them all), and they told me they are experimenting with salt bath treatments. I was not surprised, as it seems fit that if you were trying master one interesting tech, you would try another.

I think the next thing to talk about is range cameras. Spotting scopes have their uses, but they also have their costs and limitations. Given that digital cameras and wireless routers seem to follow Moore's law and spotting scopes do not, it is only a matter of time before cameras and routers largely replace scopes for keeping tabs on your target. Two companies were debuting products to that end this year. The first of these systems I encountered was the TargetVision system. This is a self-contained, very hardware-based, system. The camera unit and box with battery sits 10-15 feet from the target and can transmit to your Android or IOS device up to a mile. That is quite a range. The furthest one they set out was at 850 yards and it transmitted without a problem from that distance. The image component of this unit worked fine in the demo and acted just like a spotting scope. However, the shot marking and tracking software they are planning on is still in the works. Starting at $1,285, this unit is cheaper than may high-end spotters, but as you will soon see, spotters are not really what it competes with. You can also pick it up for a bit less via indiegogo by being an early adopter at: http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/targetvision-wireless-spotting-camera-system


The TargetVision system running on an iPad.

The second range camera system at range day was Bullseye Camera Systems. This is really a little bit of a misnomer as, though you do buy the whole system, the part they make is the software. All of the hardware components are off-the-shelf wireless routers, security cameras, batteries, and boxes. I think this is a very sharp way to do a system like this because all of these hardware components will continue to improve and they won't have to totally remake their system to catch up. Additionally, if some moron shoots part of your system, the fix is a locally available, and no doubt affordable, component. The Bullseye software is very complete. The last shot flashes so you know which one it is and you can designate different groups, shooters, weapons, etc. so you could really shoot on a single target for a very long time, provided you weren't shooting bug holes. The software offers such flexibility that, if you wanted to, you could actually designate the reloading and climate data for each shot. You can also record live video or images. I would love to tell you that, unlike the TargetVision system, the Bullseye system is complete and it is, if you want to use a windows laptop. However, if you want to do Android or IOS (software pending approval in the APP Store) you will have to wait on that. Still, with a $549 price tag for the 1000+yd system and shot tracking that works; I think the Bullseye system has the current edge.


The Bullseye system running on a laptop.
 
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I just updated the Miller Precision report. My misunderstanding on that one. I also updated the two camera system articles to add a little new info.
 
Shot Blog #8: Trijicon

I visited Trijicon twice this year: first at media range day and later at their booth. I was primarily concerned with the VCOG this year as, though it was announced early last year, it did not make Shot Show 2013 and so I hadn't seen it. Before we get to the VCOG though, I'll mention that I did shoot the TARS at range day and it looked good and performed problem free. The monopod on the back of the rifle bit me, but that is not really an optics issue.


Shooting the Trijicon VCOG at range day

Along with the TARS, I also shot the VCOG at range day. Surprisingly, they had it out at the long distance range rather than in one of the close quarters lanes. An interesting choice, and they provided match grade 77 grain ammo as well. The VCOG's BDC went out to 800 and there just so happened to be a plate at about that range, so I thought why not give it a try. This was complicated a bit by the fact I had to shoot the thing from the left hand side of the bench, but simplified by the fact that the plate at 800 was freaking huge. That plate must have been 1.5 meters in diameter at least. I opted to wedge myself in rather than shoot weak side with the rationale that it seemed likely the folks intended to use this optic would be in combat and might not have the best possible shooting position available to them. That's good rationalization. Really, I just don't like to shoot weak side. What happened next surprised me a little. After the first shot blew 6" right of the plate, I adjusted and the next ten shots or so I fired were all hits. I didn't expect this. The wind was gusting and, I think, generally around about 5mph at this time. The target was huge, but I still expected some shots to blow right or be over-held and land left. Sitting here now, looking at the MK 262 ballistic table, I really shouldn't be surprised. The table shows 1.2 meters of drift at 800m in a 5 mph wind and that gong was at least 1.5m. By that math, the wind would have to be quite variable to result in misses. I guess my feelings about the reliability of any 5.56mm round when it comes to hitting a target at 800m need to be more substantially modulated to target size. Of course, it wasn't until I fired some of the mil-hash reticle scopes later on in the day that I calculated the target was as big as a hay bale. Anyhow, the bottom line is the BDC worked and the optics were clear enough and offered enough magnification to spot the miss and adjust in a desert where the dust from a miss gives a good signature.

It wasn't until the last day of Shot that I managed to get to the Trijicon booth on the show floor. This was just as well as the last day most of the buyers are done and booths start to have more staff than visitors. The result of this is that I got a good long time to sit down with the VCOG and my reference optics. Trijicon did well with the flatness of field: both eyes merge well, even at close range. They also managed to provide a little larger field of view than the CQBSS, though its competition for military contracts will be the Mark 6 1-6x which has a substantially larger FOV. The VCOG and the Mark 6 1-6x will undoubtedly be two of the finalists should the rumors of a big Army FFP 1-6x contest prove true. As I mentioned in my reviews on them, the two Leupolds are virtually identical with respect to optical clarity and resolution. Given the price, I expected the VCOG to be close enough to on par with them that I would be unable to make a judgment in the conference setting. This was the case with many other high end scopes such as the S&B and Kahles. The VCOG does not keep this company though. Even in the conditions at the show, I was able to distinguish a difference in clarity between the CQBSS and VCOG in favor of the CQBSS. Furthermore, the VCOG example I had appeared to have more than a few specks of dust on the reticle. Hopefully this will turn out to be an early example that isn't quite up to production standard in these regards. It would not be the first time I encountered such a case.


Through the Trijicon VCOG at 1x. Very flat, and very bright illumination.


The Trijicon VCOG next to the reference CQBSS in Bobro cantilever 34mm mount

Lets talk about the VCOG illumination. Several recent scopes, including the VCOG, Mark 6 1-6x, CQBSS, and others have shown up with illumination that is daytime bright, sometimes first focal plane, and does not appear to be based on beam splitter technology. I am happy to report that I think I may have learned the secret of this new tech (not from Trijicon BTW). I called it "directed reflected" in my Leupold reviews. I suppose that's not the worst name for it, but it is more complicated than that and I expect I would have a better name for it had I taken a few high level physics of optics courses. The way this technology was explained to me, it involves etching the reticle in a precise way so that the engraving bears a precise relationship to the wavelength of light used in the illumination source. Light is then introduced from the side, through the glass upon which the reticle is etched, rather than from the direction of the viewer. When the light hits the precise engraving it bends 90 degrees, resulting in a bright reticle image to the user and a relatively small signature at the objective. This has the downside that the illumination itself can have a different exit pupil from the optic, as seen in the Leupold versions, but the upsides are that it is daytime bright, can illuminate floating elements, exists in the same focal plane as the reticle (either one), and, because it uses the reticle and is not a projection, it can easily illuminate complex shapes. The illumination on the VCOG also does not have a critical eyebox. Anyhow, it's daytime bright and that's what you are looking for. I could be way off base on who all exactly is using this technology, including Trijicon - that's all hypothesis.


Though the Trijicon VCOG at 6x, notice the interesting illumination traces that I think are indicative of this new illumination tech.

Overall, the VCOG is a pretty complete package with some unique and compelling features. The ringless mounting, forged housing, and reticle designs are reminiscent of successful features in the ACOG. The VCOG adds AA battery daytime bright FFP illumination to this mix along with a healthy eye relief and diopter. The price, $2,800 retail, and weight, 23.2oz without base, will no doubt be the tough sells and I hope the examples shipped will offer better clarity and QC with regard to the dusty reticle than the one I observed.
 
Any time line and estimated cost for the new SN4? I have an original SN4 that I love but a smaller one with dot illumination is killer.

Thanks for the informative reviews as well.

BR,
 
Besides the weight, the new Vortx Razor Gen IIs seem like the perfect scope. Thanks for the info! I think I am going to go for the 4.5-27x56 model. I really like the EBR-2C reticle and the feature set is unbeatable at that price. I have yet to look through one, but from what I've been hearing they look even better than the original Razor HDs, which is saying a lot. More pics/info/impressions would be great. Maybe a review at some point too??
 
Shot Blog #7: Kahles

Two years ago, in 2012, Kahles made its entry into the U.S. tactical market with a 6-24x scope called the K624i and a 1-6x scope called the K16i. I believe that this was also something of a reintroduction to the U.S. market of the brand in general and that this explains the still incredibly small booth (I think it's a double wide and it feels about like that.) Shot Show being what it now is, getting more booth space, especially in the desirable upstairs main room, is an exercise in frustration. That year my primary goal was to assemble information on the entire 1-(n)x and so I primarily focused on the 1-6x, noting only that the 6-24 was primarily touting 14mil per turn knobs and a parallax knob integrated around and below the elevation turret. In an unfortunate turn of events, the 1-6x late gen prototype that I viewed that year was not impressive. I wrote as much and then relegated them to low priority in 2013, resulting in my not getting around to them. Following the show that spring, Frank was invited to tour the new Kahles factory in Austria. His report on this experience bumped Kahles back up the list and so this year I re-examined them as both my experiences with their products and much of what I have heard going on behind the scenes have me interested.


Kahles K15i below the reference Leupold CQBSS in Bobro 34mm cantilevered mount.

I will first address the products starting with the new 1-5x and the now established 1-6x designs. The 1-5x design, dubbed, unsurprisingly, the K15i, will carry an MSRP of $1,900 and the K16i has a street price of $2,350: making both rather high cost designs. I spent a good deal of time with the K15i and a bit with the K16i checking them out and comparing them to the Leupold CQBSS I brought as the high end reference scope. My experience this time was much better than last. Both designs were remarkably clear and bright. They held their own with the CQBSS, which is not easy to do and which is a feat I don't think can be bettered in the environment of a conference hall. In addition to this, both Kahles scopes sported significantly larger fields of view the CQBSS. This should be expected given the lower erector ratios and 2nd focal plane vs. first focal plane design. These designs also had flatter fields of view at 1x, a very important factor and not one that seems particularly focal plane dependent. The large, flat, clear, fields of view combined with the easily daytime bright dot illumination in both designs should make them quite fast up close. Kahles has added quite a few reticles to the K16i since I first saw it and now has four in the lineup. While none of these rock my world, several are open enough to be fast at close range and appear to offer a simple mil based drop section that is unobtrusive enough that the 3gunners will probably find it to the good. Following this second look, I am not surprised to have been hearing that these are making a splash in that discipline. I should also note that, like other European makers, Kahles is sensitive to weight in its designs. These scopes come in at 16.9oz, well toward the good end of that statistic. My take this time around is that these designs are probably amongst the fastest low power scopes up close. However, between the .15mil capped adjustments and fairly sparse range finding and drop compensating reticle features, they will be less effective doing varmint duty or any other extended range activity you might pursue with your AR.


The view through the K15i at 1x highlighting the bright illumination.

Now for the behind the scenes stuff that I found interesting. First off, if you have interest in Kahles and you haven't read Frank's post following his trip to visit the factory in the spring of 2013, you should view it. I could rehash the whole thing, but that would just be a waste of my time and yours as my rehash would no doubt somehow end up longer than the original. The other interesting thing that I learned is that Jeff Huber, who is the inventor of the Zero Stop system Nightforce uses and was instrumental in growing that company, now appears to be working with Kahles. This represents a significant transfer of talent and, perhaps even more important as European companies tend to lack it, insight into the American market. I will not be skipping the Kahles booth at future Shot Shows.
 
Did you happen to gather any info on the Trijicon TARS, and if so whats your opinion of it? Also were you able to get any pics of it?

Thanks
 
Did you happen to gather any info on the Trijicon TARS, and if so whats your opinion of it? Also were you able to get any pics of it?

Thanks

I've seen the TARS for a couple of years at the show now and this year I got to shoot it at the 1000yd range on media day. It functioned fine and the glass looks good though you really don't know much about that without stacking it side by side with comparable models. My opinion of this optic is that it is basically fine but not a very attractive purchase. It works, has the features you would expect, and I doubt it breaks easily. However, it is very heavy, very expensive, and doesn't have any features that everybody else doesn't also have. You can even get more magnification range from the comparably priced and lighter S&B 3-20 and Leupold Mk 6 3-18x options. I just don't see how the TARS makes it to the top of anybodies must have list unless they feel they must have a Trijicon.