I was just watching lowlights newest vid and saw him using "ceramic paste" loading up some 338NM. Anyone ever heard of this and biggest question...why.
92.0 Grains 338 Norma Mag - YouTube
92.0 Grains 338 Norma Mag - YouTube
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Bore cleaner?
Bore lapping bullets?
Cement for weather resistance. Deep sea spec op shit?
Poison?
It hardens and accepts the rifling and then breaks away when fired to leave a ballistically clean and untraceable bullet?
Super lube? Higher velocity with less wear?
I never bought into moly, I doubt I will buy into this bullet paste either.
Bore lapping bullets?
Cement for weather resistance. Deep sea spec op shit?
Poison?
It hardens and accepts the rifling and then breaks away when fired to leave a ballistically clean and untraceable bullet?
Super lube? Higher velocity with less wear?
I never bought into moly, I doubt I will buy into this bullet paste either.
If you look in the ELR Thread on the Monolithic Solids, you'll see Noel discussion the paste.
Bottom line, with my 338NM and attempting to push these solids to 3000fps, the paste is gonna make it (at least in theory) so I don't wear the barrel out. So far everything Noel has stated has been coming to fruition, so we'll have to see on this.
But if I can turn a 338NM into a 10,000 round barrel, as opposed to a 3,000 round barrel, it's all worth it.
Bottom line, with my 338NM and attempting to push these solids to 3000fps, the paste is gonna make it (at least in theory) so I don't wear the barrel out. So far everything Noel has stated has been coming to fruition, so we'll have to see on this.
But if I can turn a 338NM into a 10,000 round barrel, as opposed to a 3,000 round barrel, it's all worth it.
Found a post from him in the ELR section for anyone else who was curious. Thanks LL
I really wonder if this is a gimmick though, how many people shoot a strict diet of copper solids and will keep borescoping to check throat erosion for 3000+ rounds with this paste. From a completely objective prospective I think if I could afford shooting a strict diet of copper solids in a 338NM I'd opt to just rebarrel instead of have this added step in my reloading process.
Really, an added step in your reloading process... LOL
Sounds like a valid reason to me... if you get 2000 more shots out of the barrel your money and time was well spent. it's not just for solids as you can treat your bore with a single patch of it.
Narrow minded people always see a problem and never a potential solution. The gimmick is putting it down before testing is complete. Plus I am doing all the work for you so if it does nothing, I'll know long before you will, and will say so.
Sounds like a valid reason to me... if you get 2000 more shots out of the barrel your money and time was well spent. it's not just for solids as you can treat your bore with a single patch of it.
Narrow minded people always see a problem and never a potential solution. The gimmick is putting it down before testing is complete. Plus I am doing all the work for you so if it does nothing, I'll know long before you will, and will say so.
I don't see how that is narrow minded.....
If I can afford $2/copper solid + all that powder to send that projectile down range 3000+ times, whats the cost of a rebarrel? Barrels are a consumable and aren't all that expensive especially against what it costs to send a copper solid in a 338NM down range. Shit if you were deadset on sending a shitload of rounds down range I'd just get 2-3 barrels spun up all at once and buy yourself a barrel vise and an action wrench.
Just a different prospective.
Good luck in your testing and keep us posted if this does reduce throat erosion.
I guess you missed the part about conventional bullets... The fact if it works with solids it will work with anything.
You can just use it in the bore and not have to coat the bullets like shown.
and narrow minded because you don't know the first thing about it, but called it a gimmick.
You can just use it in the bore and not have to coat the bullets like shown.
and narrow minded because you don't know the first thing about it, but called it a gimmick.
I think that what Frank is trying to impart to your way of thinking is the fact that 'what if...' you could get another ~2000 rounds of accurate fire out of that barrel that you're going to replace after only 3000 rounds? Wouldn't another 67% of barrel life be worth the minimal effort, even when using this stuff in just your bore, to you? Even another 1000 rounds, or 33% more life, might worth the trouble?
Instead of rebarreling three times, you're only rebarreling twice, over 10,000 rounds. Barrels for these big guns are $400-$600 before mounting, so unless you're a wealthy guy with money to burn, this ceramic paste might be worth the small amount of elbow grease, no?
Chris
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Somebody gets it...
I'm willing to wait tell you get the end results to cast judgment. I said "I wonder if this is a gimmick" not that it is indeed a gimmick...people are ALWAYS trying to market worthless bullshit. You run this place, you should know that better than most.
I also didn't catch the "you can patch without using solids" part earlier in the posting but seriously how realistic would that be anyway? 338NM is over 60,000 PSI I doubt that shit would stay in the bore over 1 firing and who is going to patch and shoot patch and shoot other than a benchrest shooter.
William
I'd be interested to see how this helps .243 barrels / .338LM barrels
Do you have a link to where you got the stuff you are using from?
Do you have a link to where you got the stuff you are using from?
Don't know why it would not work and probably save some fouling as well. I have read reports of excellent results using the Dyna Bore Coat which is a ceramic paste itself.
I have not used it personally but I am considering it.
I have not used it personally but I am considering it.
Once I have a rig set the way I like it I don’t want to take it to smith so he can order another barrel (can’t just order barrels over the net in Aus) and fit it.
What would be interesting is to see if the paste has any adverse side effects. If the pros out way the cons then why wouldn’t you incorporate it?
What would be interesting is to see if the paste has any adverse side effects. If the pros out way the cons then why wouldn’t you incorporate it?
It's been proven in other shooting applications, so it should work.
As Noel has noted, the same stuff was used in the 25mm Bushmaster and increased the cyclic rate as well as the barrel life there. So as many have noted, "why not try it" .
To shoot it down and not know the first thing about it is typical internet BS... ya it's different, we get that, but "what if", it opens more doors than it closes
As Noel has noted, the same stuff was used in the 25mm Bushmaster and increased the cyclic rate as well as the barrel life there. So as many have noted, "why not try it" .
To shoot it down and not know the first thing about it is typical internet BS... ya it's different, we get that, but "what if", it opens more doors than it closes
Man, this could open up the world of barrel burners to those of us without thick wallets. Will def follow for more info.
Sounds pretty interesting. Can't wait to hear results
no questions about it -its definitely worth a try
especially if your not super wealthy
its most definitely worth watching someone else do all the leg work
& foot the bill
especially if your not super wealthy
its most definitely worth watching someone else do all the leg work
& foot the bill
Hmmmm .....smoke and mirrors? Nitriding will prolong your barrel life but that we already know. Ceramic paste???: buy it at any decent automotive dealer as its already an industry standard in high heat applications.
Lowlight,
How many bullets do you have down your tube now? And have you scoped your bore just to see what's going on in there? Sure would have been nice if you could have scoped your bore and taken pictures before using the product and several more, maybe after every 500 rounds, just to get a perspective of what's going on.
I've applied the Dyna Bore to several barrels and have seen them settle down. I could see this stuff doing the same thing. Ceramic is some tought stuff. I've had several friends become very pleased with me after coating their hunting rifles that were 1.5 moa rifles and by some type of voodoo the rifle starts shooting less then 1moa.
I'm also interested in seeing some prelim results.
Never underestimate your opponent, same could be said about new products.
xdeano
How many bullets do you have down your tube now? And have you scoped your bore just to see what's going on in there? Sure would have been nice if you could have scoped your bore and taken pictures before using the product and several more, maybe after every 500 rounds, just to get a perspective of what's going on.
I've applied the Dyna Bore to several barrels and have seen them settle down. I could see this stuff doing the same thing. Ceramic is some tought stuff. I've had several friends become very pleased with me after coating their hunting rifles that were 1.5 moa rifles and by some type of voodoo the rifle starts shooting less then 1moa.
I'm also interested in seeing some prelim results.
Never underestimate your opponent, same could be said about new products.
xdeano
How does it differ from impact plated lubricants such as HBN, Ws2, and Moly? I can attest to Ws2 and HBN's efficacy reduction of fouling and prolonging accurate firing between cleanings. I recently put 236 HBN coated rds down my bbl without cleaning. When I did clean, there was next to no copper fouling. That's not been my experience with naked bullets. Does the paste work on the same principle?
Where can one find this ceramic paste?
Interesting. On the M242, 25MM bushmaster cannon the cyclic rate is electronically controlled so ammunition has no effect. This sounds interesting but I would have thought that the medium would be non abrasive, I think ceramic is abrasive. I could see where the groves on a solid bullet would hold this better, much like a modern blackpowder bullet with lube groves. Most copper bullets have more of a driving band design because of the high pressures they generate. Barrels fed a steady diet of copper bullets will wear out more quickly. I suppose that there is also that this could be a medium that you use on the occasional bullet to keep the throat smooth like the TUBB throat maintenance system which used a mild abrasive on bullets to keep the throat smooth. I cant see any of the pics, so I might be missing something else.
Hey, Frank, can you post your barrel life on here when it goes? I'd be interested to know. Anything to save these cut rifle and large bore barrels would be GREAT.
And not only that, who likes load development? I hate it. I'd pay a couple hundred bucks just to not have to do that again after a rebarrel. Plus the wait for good smiths. If this stuff works, it will be awesome for barrel burner mags and I'll be all over it. Wondering if it can be used with non cannulure bullets like the Bergers.
Thanks LL, awaiting your results.
Benchmarking is my friend.....................interesting to see the results!
Like moly coating and hexagonal boron nitride, all these products eventually fell to the side of the road. Notice that lowlight really hasn’t been talking about it since?
The issue with “barrel burners” is not wearing out the rifling, it’s Fire-cracking the throat. These bullet coatings do nothing to prevent it.
The issue with “barrel burners” is not wearing out the rifling, it’s Fire-cracking the throat. These bullet coatings do nothing to prevent it.
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