Choosing a semi-auto rifle.

[djkim]

I'm trying to choose a semi-auto rifle for the SHTF situation. Basically, I want an uber reliable semi-automatic sniper.

I have the FN SCAR as an option, but I truly want a weapon system that could be good as a sniper rifle and precision rifle, not a battle rifle.

First off, I would like to take the OBR off as a possibility, I'm not waiting 1 year+ for my rifle to come, I'd rather wait 1 year for a nice custom 1911 instead of getting a rifle that can be outclassed by other weapons.

My choices are GAP-10 (I hear of it's ridiculous precision as an AR, but the weight is very heavy, and since its DI it could get dirty), and LWRC Repr (Light weight and it's piston system makes it reliable, it can run in water and dirt/sand does not effect it, but it's not as accurate as other rifles and I hear the recoil is pretty harsh).

I'm not looking for a precision rifle that could hit 1/4 or 1/2 moa at 600 yards, I'm looking for a rifle that could be used in combat, and hit human-sized torsos (and heads) accurately enough from a range (maximum 1000 yards), without reliability issues and feeding from any type of bullet.

I have about $4k to drop on just the rifle, and $2k-$3k on a scope (Thinking about the nightforce beast). If anyone has a 20" repr, can anyone tell me about it's reliability and accuracy 600 yards+?

 

[JeffLebowski]

GAP 10. No question.

 

[djkim]

GAP 10. No question.

Again, the weight is turning me off and the reliability of it in sand, dirt, and water is questionable. Will it be able to function 400+ rounds without being cleaned with the precision better than a repr? I'm not sure if the DI system will be much better than the piston operated repr.

 

[KillShot]

Again, the weight is turning me off and the reliability of it in sand, dirt, and water is questionable. Will it be able to function 400+ rounds without being cleaned with the precision better than a repr? I'm not sure if the DI system will be much better than the piston operated repr.

You should give POF some consideration. They're half-moa capable and will run like a sewing machine.

 

[tickled pink]

QUOTE: "I'm I'm not looking for a precision rifle that could hit 1/4 or 1/2 moa at 600 yards."

I'm confused. Do you mean that you want a rifle that is more accurate than 1/4 MOA? How are you going to hit someones head at 1,000 yds. with a first shot? I shoot in competition at 1,000 yds. and my best 5 shot group was 8.175" and my best 3 shot group was 3.25" and this is with my long range hunting rifle that shoots way under 1/2" at 200 yds. Here is my best 5 shot group at 200 yds.

 

[JeffLebowski]

Again, the weight is turning me off and the reliability of it in sand, dirt, and water is questionable. Will it be able to function 400+ rounds without being cleaned with the precision better than a repr? I'm not sure if the DI system will be much better than the piston operated repr.

I think that you're overthinking this. How much training have you had? You might be better off buying a good AR-15 and a good bolt gun, postapocalyptic worries notwithstanding.

 

[samnev]

You should give POF some consideration. They're half-moa capable and will run like a sewing machine.

With your weight limit I agree with KillShot on the POF P-308. But I doubt you will be able to get a gasser that will reliably shoot 1/4" 5 shot groups at 600 yards. Plus you must have a lot of training and trigger time under your belt to accomplish that even if you could find a gasser that will do 1/4". 1/2" maybe if you have the trigger time training and the gasser that is capable of those kind of groups.

 

[Super Bee 950]

Before you start talking about head shots at long range, lets see what your 5 shot groups look like at 400 yards. I shoot off the rack M-16's that will hit a torso at 600 yards all day long using army green tip ammo.

What are you capable of?

Its not the arrow.... Its the indian!

 

[RTH1800]

OP seems to have a lot going on.

Notwithstanding, I suggest getting a HCS MK12 Mod 1. It might not do all you list, but it will do far more than you will ever require.

 

[diggler1833]

If you already have the FN SCAR, I'd say that you would be good enough. Battles usually don't wait for ideal weather conditions and wage in areas with range flags. I am not trying to insult your intelligence or sound like an ass, rather simply suggest that you might not notice much difference between a .5 and a 1.5MOA rifle in a fight. For your second part, I agree with Killshot's recommendation, although I have very limited experience with POF.

I agree with Super Bee. I have used rack grade M16A2/M16A4 to do very well in service rifle competitions shooting military ammo (M855). To 500 and even 600yds that combo is good for human torso's with boring regularity with iron sights.

I am not sure how many headshots you plan on taking at "maximum 1000 yards", but statistically it is pretty difficult. Especially with non-match ammo (I'm referring to your "any type of bullet").

You have a lot of money to spend, and I wish that I had that kind of budget. However, I think you might be suited better spending a little less on the firearm and a little more on ammunition. As stated above: "Its not the arrow...Its the Indian".

Best of luck to you.

 

[djkim]

If you already have the FN SCAR, I'd say that you would be good enough. Battles usually don't wait for ideal weather conditions and wage in areas with range flags. I am not trying to insult your intelligence or sound like an ass, rather simply suggest that you might not notice much difference between a .5 and a 1.5MOA rifle in a fight. For your second part, I agree with Killshot's recommendation, although I have very limited experience with POF.

I agree with Super Bee. I have used rack grade M16A2/M16A4 to do very well in service rifle competitions shooting military ammo (M855). To 500 and even 600yds that combo is good for human torso's with boring regularity with iron sights.

I am not sure how many headshots you plan on taking at "maximum 1000 yards", but statistically it is pretty difficult. Especially with non-match ammo (I'm referring to your "any type of bullet").

You have a lot of money to spend, and I wish that I had that kind of budget. However, I think you might be suited better spending a little less on the firearm and a little more on ammunition. As stated above: "Its not the arrow...Its the Indian".

Best of luck to you.

You have a point. I'm getting too much money in from work, and I decided to take up an expensive hobby. Maybe I might be better buying a FN M16, training with it a bit, getting some attachments here and there. Then buy myself a nice custom GAP-10, with the $7k build I have in mind.

Thank you!

 

[Rinky]

Or just buy an OBR off gunbroker when one pops up... I see many. Most are 16" barrels which I'm not fond of but even those are shooting 1/2" at 100yds. Not saying barrel length affects accuracy much.

With your budget a mk12 mod 0 or 1 would do you very well with 2000rds of mk262. Youd even have cash to buy a can from Allen engineering.

That's what I did. Reliability in a piston vs a di is a moot point until ur at 2500rds + without cleaning

 

[Mike_Honcho]

I love these threads.

 

[mkollman74]

I'm trying to choose a semi-auto rifle for the SHTF situation... I'm looking for a rifle that could be used in combat, and hit human-sized torsos (and heads) accurately enough from a range (maximum 1000 yards), without reliability issues and feeding from any type of bullet.

Remind me to stand at least 1,001 yards away from you if SHTF...

 

[Redmanss]

I'm trying to choose a semi-auto rifle for the SHTF situation. Basically, I want an uber reliable semi-automatic sniper.

I have the FN SCAR as an option, but I truly want a weapon system that could be good as a sniper rifle and precision rifle, not a battle rifle.

First off, I would like to take the OBR off as a possibility, I'm not waiting 1 year+ for my rifle to come, I'd rather wait 1 year for a nice custom 1911 instead of getting a rifle that can be outclassed by other weapons.

My choices are GAP-10 (I hear of it's ridiculous precision as an AR, but the weight is very heavy, and since its DI it could get dirty), and LWRC Repr (Light weight and it's piston system makes it reliable, it can run in water and dirt/sand does not effect it, but it's not as accurate as other rifles and I hear the recoil is pretty harsh).

I'm not looking for a precision rifle that could hit 1/4 or 1/2 moa at 600 yards, I'm looking for a rifle that could be used in combat, and hit human-sized torsos (and heads) accurately enough from a range (maximum 1000 yards), without reliability issues and feeding from any type of bullet.

I have about $4k to drop on just the rifle, and $2k-$3k on a scope (Thinking about the nightforce beast). If anyone has a 20" repr, can anyone tell me about it's reliability and accuracy 600 yards+?

djkim, I see you just registered, welcome to the Hide.

What in the fuck are you trying to shoot people out to 1000yds for? Are you MIL/LEO/similar? SHTF? What the hell is that? Stop talking about murdering people at distances well beyond any type of legal self defense scenarios.

If you want to talk about illegal acts, this is not the forum you're looking for. If you want to be "uber sniper", man the fuck up and go see your local USMC or US Army recruiter. If you want to learn about the world of precision shooting in a wide range of situations, all legal, you're in the right place but for fuck's sake, use some sense and remain in reality. Put down the remote and/or game controller, and sign up for some training, join a club, shoot some matches, and have a blast.

It's almost like it's a plant...

 

[greyghost01]

The average person has no idea of what a 1000 yd shot is like, They would be lucky to make a 500yd shot, It takes a lot of training and a lot of money to reach the 1000 yd mark. And a head shot that's just watching to much TV. There is a difference between reality and TV, There are those who could do it, but the average Joe very doubtful you can buy a formula one car but it doesn't qualify you to race it.

 

[samnev]

The average person has no idea of what a 1000 yd shot is like, They would be lucky to make a 500yd shot, It takes a lot of training and a lot of money to reach the 1000 yd mark. And a head shot that's just watching to much TV. There is a difference between reality and TV, There are those who could do it, but the average Joe very doubtful you can buy a formula one car but it doesn't qualify you to race it.

Just to reinforce the above I can do pretty well at 600 yards but can't even make 1000 yard head shots on Call Of Duty. :>)

 

[Little gator]

I'm trying to choose a semi-auto rifle for the SHTF situation. Basically, I want an uber reliable semi-automatic sniper.

I have the FN SCAR as an option, but I truly want a weapon system that could be good as a sniper rifle and precision rifle, not a battle rifle.

First off, I would like to take the OBR off as a possibility, I'm not waiting 1 year+ for my rifle to come, I'd rather wait 1 year for a nice custom 1911 instead of getting a rifle that can be outclassed by other weapons.

My choices are GAP-10 (I hear of it's ridiculous precision as an AR, but the weight is very heavy, and since its DI it could get dirty), and LWRC Repr (Light weight and it's piston system makes it reliable, it can run in water and dirt/sand does not effect it, but it's not as accurate as other rifles and I hear the recoil is pretty harsh).

I'm not looking for a precision rifle that could hit 1/4 or 1/2 moa at 600 yards, I'm looking for a rifle that could be used in combat, and hit human-sized torsos (and heads) accurately enough from a range (maximum 1000 yards), without reliability issues and feeding from any type of bullet.

I have about $4k to drop on just the rifle, and $2k-$3k on a scope (Thinking about the nightforce beast). If anyone has a 20" repr, can anyone tell me about it's reliability and accuracy 600 yards+?

Hmmm did you use to go by the screen name gecko45?

 

[tickled pink]

You have a point. I'm getting too much money in from work, and I decided to take up an expensive hobby. Maybe I might be better buying a FN M16, training with it a bit, getting some attachments here and there. Then buy myself a nice custom GAP-10, with the $7k build I have in mind.

Thank you!

If you want to spend a lot of money and learn to shoot try High Power Competition. I bought a Bushmaster DCM rifle then a shooting coat then a Dillon XL-650 with automatic case feeder. Then after playing around for a while I got sponsored to go to Fort Benning, Georgia to take their 3 day school held with the Army shooting Team as instructors. If you think you are a good shot they will teach you to really be a good long range shooter. It was worth every minute of it.
Here is the first perfect score for sitting rapid fire at two hundred yds. with iron sights.

PS: That DCM would shoot (10) shot groups at 100 yds. less than 1/2". They are great shooting rifles. I think you can buy them new for under $1400.00.

 

[NorthernRebel27]

I would throw my hat in for a NM M1A EBR. If your looking for a versatile weapon that is capable of that kind of range than that is a solid choice.

 

[snipe10]

+1 w Redmanss, this all sounds a little bit fishy

 

[K-tech]

Maybe I'm wrong, but in my own opinion but when SHTF you will be in a defensive situation, probably close to maybe medium range. Yet you want a rifle/optics set up that is good to 1000yds. Can you find a rifle/optic set up to do both? YES. Will it do both well? NO. I think you should prioritize whether you want a precision rifle or a SHTF rifle before you spend 4k. I feel settling for a "one size fits all" rifle means settling for mediocrity.

 

[Graham]

I'm trying to choose a semi-auto rifle for the SHTF situation. Basically, I want an uber reliable semi-automatic sniper....

I'm not looking for a precision rifle that could hit 1/4 or 1/2 moa at 600 yards, I'm looking for a rifle that could be used in combat, and hit human-sized torsos (and heads) accurately enough from a range (maximum 1000 yards), without reliability issues and feeding from any type of bullet.

What newspaper do you work for?

Seriously, why do you guys here answer this kind of garbage?

After all, aren't these questions the reason that AR15.com exists?

 

[TireMan]

Seems like there has been an abundance of trolls and other "questionable" post lately.

 

[Darkside-Six]

aren't these questions the reason that ar15.com exists?

owned!!

 

[OneCleanShot]

Totally agree. This is a kid with no experience at all or someone looking to start some trouble. "I have 6000 just laying around and want a featherweight CQB with low recoil than never ever fails.....is not that accurate but shoots heads at 1000 yds??? WTF? I recommend one of those laser rifles from Star Trek or something from Halo or Doom. Sheesh.

 

[djkim]

Alright, I haven't checked this thread in a while.

Let me get my points straight. I've recently hit it very, VERY well at my company, and I've gotten my dream job. I have cash flowing in. I created a HYPOTHETICAL situation to find the gun that's perfect. I'm not a doomsday prepper, nor am I a mall ninja. I don't want to shoot heads at 1000 yards...I merely created, again I must state, I hypothetical situation where I want to find a gun that's accurate, light weight, long range, and indestructible (now I realize how stupid this request was).

I have a lot of money, and I want the best thing available. I'm willing to train with it, and basically have fun. I wish to not come off as a pretentious douchebag and I'm sorry if people got pissed off at my shit post, which is understandable...

After some researching done, I have decided that the gun I want is a JP LRP-07, and I've talked to mel about it.

Let me say the truth, I'm not even an experienced shooter, I only own a MK23 and a FNX-9, but I could shoot well with them. I'm probably going to buy an AR-15 platform and train with it until I can do decently, maybe get some optics on it, or get a Tavor /w 18 inches. Then get my LRP-07 after I'm better or order it right now and wait for it to arrive in about 8 months - 1 year.

Sorry I bothered you guys, I'm also probably never coming back here on this forum so, bye. Hope some of you guys enjoyed making fun of this crappy post.

 

[Redmanss]

It's not what you say, it's how you say it. Nothing in your posts indicated you were speaking in the hypothetical sense, more in the "it's coming and by God I'm doin' me some killin' " sense.

Understand in this day and age, with gun forums being targeted by trolls from the media wanting to boost their sales and ratings, and other organizations always on the watch, we're going to be careful.

Like I said above, if you want to learn about long range precision in a wide range of disciplines, you're in the right place. This is the chat room of some of the greatest tactical shooters in the world. Stick around and you will learn a wealth of knowledge.

Or you can commit internet Hari-Kari by PM'ing [MENTION=7]Lowlight[/MENTION]. I hope to continue to see you around because you seem to have a strong yearning to learn (what many of us like to do here is help), but you just stepped out into traffic a bit too fast.

 

[sib1948]

Get an HK416 or 417 depending on the caliber you want. Much more solid and reliable than the SCAR with piston rather than gas operation. Battle proven! Can't go wrong this this choice and will fit you price range. You need a good bolt gun and scope, if you want accuracy at 1000 yards!