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Canada is not free, our SIG rifles were nationally banned by the police today.

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Just wanted to get the word out about the violation of property rights that happened to us up here today (we never had gun rights to begin with). To say I am disgusted with the actions of our elected officials is an understatement.

The RCMP today banned our Swiss Arms rifles. As it stands now we have 6 months to turn them in for destruction and they will not be compensating legal gun owners!!!. You heard right, they will seize our legal private property without paying us so much as a cent, goods that we legally bought and paid taxes on!!!!!! Anyone caught with one after the deadline will become a criminal and will face jail time. These rifles are made in Switzerland by SIG (now called Swiss Arms Neuhausen) and cost $3000 dollars.

They have been legal here for 12 years now and because or national police has an anti gun agenda against private gun ownership, their firearms lab has concluded that the rifles are now illegal. This is a rifle that they themselves approved for import and sale 12 years ago!!!!!! Not one of these rifles has ever been used in a crime up here, not one!!

Our Police firearms division has no oversight when it comes to firearms decisions. They can do whatever they want and report any BS they want. They were not able to swap full auto parts into it 12 years ago and they still did not get it done now 12 years later. It is a semi only version. They claim it is a derivative of the SIG 550 when everyone knows full well that SAN uses the older 540 model mandrel to form our Canadian receivers.

Our NFA is filing a class action lawsuit and gun owners are donating money to drag them to court but thats about all we can do because our elected officials do not give a damn about our rights.

News footage here:

Swiss Arms banned : Prime time : SunNews Video Gallery

UPDATE 01/03/2014

Thank you for all the support guys, I wish I had better news to report this morning but this just got worse. Yesterday they prohibited another rifle, the CZ 858. Same thing as Thursday, confiscation with no compensation, theft of our private property. What guns will they ban next week is unknown but this is the start of mass confiscation!!!!

THE RCMP IS COMING FOR OUR SEMI AUTOMATICS. COMMISSIONER ROB PAULSON HAS DECLARED WAR ON LAW ABIDING CITIZENS AND WE ARE CALLING FOR HIS RESIGNATION. HE HAS GROSSLY OVERSTEPPED HIS AUTHORITY AND WE ARE CALLING ON THE GOVERNMENT TO SLAP HIM DOWN. THE POLICE DOES NOT MAKE THE LAWS, PARLIAMENT DOES.

This jackass is already in deep sh!t for what went on in High River and this is the final straw. There are approx 2000 Swiss Arms and approx 10,000 CZ 858's in Country, this is outrageous and we will not stand for this! Canadian gun owners must all stand together now or we will go down individually. The NFA needs help to fight this injustice, every donation no matter how small makes a difference to strengthening their legal defense.

https://nfa.ca/donate-legal-fund Swiss Arms/CZ858 confiscation.

Oh and if anyone feels like helping us talk some sense into the RCMP please leave a comment on their facebook page. The more people we get telling them what they are doing is wrong the better. How ironic that they have an anti bullying campaign going on right now.

https://www.facebook.com/rcmpgrc


Update 05/03/2014

We are starting to get attention, the government has given the 12,000 people so far affected a 5 year amnesty from criminal prosecution. This is not good enough as only criminals need amnesty from prosecution of crimes. We committed no such acts and will continue pushing for justice.

We are petitioning the government to rewrite the firearms act to better reflect the rights and freedoms of shooters and hunters. We are demanding action. A big thank you to all who are supporting us Canucks and the NFA, we need all the help we can get.
 
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That fucking BLOWS. The CF guys I worked with were all using their tour money on either SIG or Tikka rifles once they got home. Knowing some of them, I wouldn't want to be the Mountie tasked with making THAT house call.

Sorry y'all are getting fucked first, but as someone said, we're next.
 
Rand Paul seems like our only hope here in the US and everyone needs to vote in every election. Obama just appointed a Muslim to be the new head of Health and Human services. He proposes that all medical personnel question their patients about guns in their homes and to have these forcefully removed! May not be to health for those trying to enforce this Mandate! It's time all us Constitution loving citizens put an end the these assaults on our Freedoms once and for all and get behind the NRA with finances and volunteer help. Time to start stocking up on more ammo too.

I'm truly fed up with all these Big Brother Liberals.
 
I fear that this is just the start for us up here in Canada. I'm wondering if this is some sort of test to see how we all respond to a gun grab since the Swiss Arms rifles are probably the least popular of our "cool" non-restricted rifles. The CZ-858, VZ-58 and XCR are next and after that they will want our "long range killing machines with sniper scopes". Our only hope is to put up a huge uproar and fight! I encourage all Canadian gun owners to help with the fight by sending a letter to your MP's, joining the NFA and make a donation to the fight against these people that are trying to take our personal property, even if you don't have a Swiss Arms rifle we must show them that we wont idly stand by while they do this. If theres one thing politicians care about it's VOTES, lets let them know there losing ours with these absurd actions.
 
Got a link where we can send donations for the lawsuit? How's the exchange rate these days?
 
After tearing down the registry I thought Canada was going in the right direction.
 
Potatosalad, brothers to the north, you have major empathy from me on this topic. You are right, they are testing the waters to see how the population will react. And, most, won't even blink an eye at the government confiscating goods from its citizens. The other side of the Canadian population will actually applaud the governments diligence for getting those evil weapons from the people. But, what they don't understand is that the government set a precedence of confiscating items from the citizens and that will not end at guns. It could be property from political foes, it could be cars that government feels is not for the good for the public; it never ends on how far they can reach if they have the power to confiscate without providing compensation for the goods.

The U.S. is not as far behind Canada as one would think. Many states, like Connecticut, started with a registration, but it won't end there. It's terrible when your hobby makes you a criminal because the politicians want total and complete control over the populace.
 
TO the OP: how do they know who has what rifle? I assume you must have a long gun registry for them to know who's turned them in and who hasn't?

Let this be a lesson to anyone who thinks a registry is anything but a way to confiscate your guns. This sucks!!!
 
Try that in Wyoming...you cannot even qualify for citizenship in this State unless you have at least 20 firearms and 20,000 rounds of ammo.

Sadly, we shall one day become a divided Nation, not just in principle as we are already that - but in action. If the MORONS come here and try to take our weapons we will give up our ammo first - one round at a time...and it will not be pretty.

Our best alternative currently is to demand that our constitution be adhered to and vote the bums out!

I shall protect my family, my neighborhood, my friends, our State and our Country from all enemies, foreign and domestic, the oath has no time limit.

Our founding Fathers were willing to give up everything so that we the people could be free, we must be willing to do the same.

Oh Canada! Stand up! Do not comply! This could be the watershed of the century and the turning point for all in North America to be free from Inane political hacks who believe here words carry meaning.

We may not have the same citizenship, but we are a "Band of Brothers" and we must stand together!

If the majority would simply refuse and not comply, regardless of the cost, these FAT IDIOTS would pee their pants and run not walk to their stinking offices to fly their desk.

The State of Colorado is a great example in recent months by standing up and insisting that it is "We the People" empower and give privilege to Government to serve us - Canada, England, the Colonies, Ireland and countless others have proven that a minority with courage, sacrifice and principle have the ability to defeat tyranny.

It is about time for all of us to to commit to sacrificing all for the sake of our families and future generations.
 
bogeybrown said:
YOU pray, I'm going to VOTE.
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While you all are praying and voting…I'll be loading up my mags and function checking the equipment. It is said that in one of the Northeastern Socialist Republics, an estimated up to 200,000 citizens were made instant felons when they failed to comply with the required black rifle registration. MOLON LABE! Let's see 6500 officers, lets say 30% say "not gonna do it", that leaves 4500 to disarm 100,000-200,000 rightful duty bound citizens of their anti-tyranny arms(what the libs like to call assault weapons). That doesn't seem like a fair fight y'all.
 
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TO the OP: how do they know who has what rifle? I assume you must have a long gun registry for them to know who's turned them in and who hasn't?

Let this be a lesson to anyone who thinks a registry is anything but a way to confiscate your guns. This sucks!!!
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I'm not the OP but,

This will be interesting to see actually since the were to suppose to have destroyed the long gun registry a couple years ago...

I guess will we see if that really happened or not and if there willing to show that they have been lying and use it.
 
apg2369 said:
The founding fathers of the USA , did not vote, pray, write there congressmen , rally, potest etc,etc,!

THEY PICKED UP ARMS that's the difference from them to us so far! Texas and Arizona already said we'll pick arms and use them . Places like Ney York and now Connecticut WONT PICK UP ARMS , just like Canada wont either.
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Um, you guys really need to go back and read up on history. Our Founding Father's started off by petitioning the King of England, voted, prayed, rallied, protested, and did everything else that they could think of to resolve their differences with England, peacefully, before they resorted to violence. And we need to do the same. We should never advocate violence first.

If you look at what is happening in Colorado and Connecticut, you will find stories of citizens peacefully fighting and winning. Did you know that only a fraction of the weapons in Connecticut have been regestered. This tells me that the citizens are fighting their State government and will eventually win. We have all seen what has happened in Colorado and I believe if they stay the course they will eventually win this battle too.

I too fear that eventually all of this may come to a situation where we will have to defend our rights with more than just voting, praying and protesting, but I hope that day never comes, but instead the citizens and politicians wake up and become "civilized" again.

To the OP, I hope that the citizens of Canada band together and fight this by not complying with the new laws and that eventually you can win in a peaceable fashion!
 
I hope it doesn't come to it, but in the end ( and if, only if), for those who are going to turn in their SIG rifle, send everything except the upper receiver/barrel assembly South of the border. If you sell the parts in individual lots costing $100 or less, there's no custom hurdles on this end. At least you will get something out of your property then giving it to the Govt. without compensation.

I feel for you, not only having family in Canada, I also am a Swiss rifle enthusiast, and a freedom loving human.

Good luck in your fight!
 
Nobody is advocating violence. We're advocating lawful action and in defense of THE LAW which is pretty easy to understand and really doesn't need interpreting by liberal activist judges who earned their degree from godless institutions of socialist group think…sorry I digress. I'm reading history everyday…and those who are suppose to be upholding their oaths REFUSE to do so…the People have petitioned and voted and petioned some more but the lawlessness still abounds. Then when they sent the "troops" to confiscate the arms which were the objects of last resort to protect the populace from serfdom that's when all hell broke loose. A study of news reports lately will show an inordinate amount of police violence on citizenry. The type of folk they are hiring into ethe police force(those who will enforce these unlawful arms laws) don't appear to be very well educated on what is and isn't lawful(constitutionally speaking) and are probably more concerned with making to the end of short career so they can start collecting their pension. Resist, and if that includes defense of your rights by arms, well so be it. Little known bit of history that was dusted off and included in an excellent book recently…The McMinn County War or The battle of Athens…look it up. The book Miracles and Massacres by Beck.
 
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Potatosalad said:
Just wanted to get the word out about the violation of property rights that happened to us up here today (we never had gun rights to begin with). To say I am disgusted with the actions of our elected officials is an understatement.

The RCMP today banned our Swiss Arms rifles. As it stands now we have 6 months to turn them in for destruction and they will not be compensating legal gun owners!!!. You heard right, they will seize our legal private property without paying us so much as a cent, goods that we legally bought and paid taxes on!!!!!! Anyone caught with one after the deadline will become a criminal and will face jail time. These rifles are made in Switzerland by SIG (now called Swiss Arms Neuhausen) and cost $3000 dollars.

They have been legal here for 12 years now and because or national police has an anti gun agenda against private gun ownership, their firearms lab has concluded that the rifles are now illegal. This is a rifle that they themselves approved for import and sale 12 years ago!!!!!! Not one of these rifles has ever been used in a crime up here, not one!!

Our Police firearms division has no oversight when it comes to firearms decisions. They can do whatever they want and report any BS they want. They were not able to swap full auto parts into it 12 years ago and they still did not get it done now 12 years later. It is a semi only version. They claim it is a derivative of the SIG 550 when everyone knows full well that SAN uses the older 540 model mandrel to form our Canadian receivers.

Our NFA is filing a class action lawsuit and gun owners are donating money to drag them to court but thats about all we can do because our elected officials do not give a damn about our rights.

News footage here:

Swiss Arms banned : Prime time : SunNews Video Gallery
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I have to say one thing though... I've never seen such a biased news report....IN FAVOR OF GUN OWNERS! That's insane and I can't imagine watching reporters here in the US reporting in such a supportive manner for US gun owners. Usually we're vilified as crazies and right wing extremists for even having the thought of wanting a firearm. I hope you guys win out and keep your Sigs. They are wonderful guns unlike the NH abortions made here in the US. I'm glad I have my Swiss guns.
 
sib1948 said:
Rand Paul seems like our only hope here in the US and everyone needs to vote in every election. Obama just appointed a Muslim to be the new head of Health and Human services. He proposes that all medical personnel question their patients about guns in their homes and to have these forcefully removed! May not be to health for those trying to enforce this Mandate! It's time all us Constitution loving citizens put an end the these assaults on our Freedoms once and for all and get behind the NRA with finances and volunteer help. Time to start stocking up on more ammo too.

I'm truly fed up with all these Big Brother Liberals.
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Probably breaking policy here, but NRA doesn't look at the Candidate's body of work, only in support of 2A. You'd be better off supporting Senate Conservatives Fund. We're trying to field a replacement for Rand's pal Mitch here in KY. And SCF is wholly supportive of MATT BEVIN for SENATE. But back on topic, wish you the best of luck in your fight up north…hope you can solve it at the ballot box, not the bullet box.
 
You might want to do a search for "Sipsey Street Irregulars Three Percenters".
 
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Steelhead said:
Um, you guys really need to go back and read up on history. Our Founding Father's started off by petitioning the King of England, voted, prayed, rallied, protested, and did everything else that they could think of to resolve their differences with England, peacefully, before they resorted to violence. And we need to do the same. We should never advocate violence first.

If you look at what is happening in Colorado and Connecticut, you will find stories of citizens peacefully fighting and winning. Did you know that only a fraction of the weapons in Connecticut have been regestered. This tells me that the citizens are fighting their State government and will eventually win. We have all seen what has happened in Colorado and I believe if they stay the course they will eventually win this battle too.

I too fear that eventually all of this may come to a situation where we will have to defend our rights with more than just voting, praying and protesting, but I hope that day never comes, but instead the citizens and politicians wake up and become "civilized" again.

To the OP, I hope that the citizens of Canada band together and fight this by not complying with the new laws and that eventually you can win in a peaceable fashion!
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Excellent post and very much agree. Written much wiser than I could have.
 
Unfortunately, as most, if not all, of these owners are law abiding citizens, they will most likely comply with the law and either sell them or turn them in. Not saying its right but that is the reality of the situation. Its one thing to talk of holding out but for those with families, children, and jobs that are needed, the choice between jail time and having the rifle taken anyway or preserving the family structure and job security is not a difficult decision. These types of things happen all the time and the internet forums are full of "I would like to see them try and get mine" but in the end "they" continue to do so while the rest of us are pushed farther into obscurity.

In CA we had been so worried about possible "assault weapons" restrictions that the bill to preclude any off list weapon from entering the state slid by and is now devastating the CA firearms scene. Every month dozens if not hundreds of firearms are falling off the approved list and cant be added to the approved list. In other words, if any firearm is changed in any way from the original firearm that was approved previously, the firearm must receive re-approval to enter the state. Others have a pre-determined "expiration date" at to when they must be recertified. Now here is the rub, any new firearm to be added to the approved list must have a micro stamping system on the firearm to mark spent cases with identifying information so that local LE can pick up a spent case and have info on gun type and possible owner.

Here is an example: Smith & Wesson Confirms M&Ps Will Fall Off CA Approved List | The Truth About Guns

I feel for the folks up in Canada that have a tuff choice and I know its not as simple as "just move" like many on here may suggest. I would argue that this may reach a tipping point here soon and just what that tipping point may be and what the fallout from that time may be remains unknown.
 
BCP said:
Yeap we aren't far behind. It might take a generation or two but that is nothing in the grand scheme of things.
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My sons are young right now but they will be brought up with the same patriotism I hold for my country. They will be taught how to use firearms proficiently and when I leave the face of this earth they will be left with sufficient arms, ammo and skill to protect their families. That's all any of us can do. When democracy fails, the bullet still gets to vote.

Im no conspiracy theorist but it is coming, whether its years or decades away it is coming again. When our founding fathers would be considered radicals yet again, the handwriting is on the wall.
 
The situation in Canada sucks.
I had a friend in Saskatchewan that built & shot a.50 bmg there and traveled to Raton and shot competitively. It was legal at the time until the 50 bmg went from the restricted list to the banned list. It sounds similar to the SIG rifles and it sucks.

Here in the USA we have a 2nd amendment but many liberals & people that dislike firearms are constantly trying to redefine it.
Elections are about the only way to fight these liberal asswipes in Canada or the USA.
 
KYbulldog said:
Probably breaking policy here, but NRA doesn't look at the Candidate's body of work, only in support of 2A. You'd be better off supporting Senate Conservatives Fund. We're trying to field a replacement for Rand's pal Mitch here in KY. And SCF is wholly supportive of MATT BEVIN for SENATE. But back on topic, wish you the best of luck in your fight up north…hope you can solve it at the ballot box, not the bullet box.
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Thanks for the info. I'll look into the groups you mention!
 
Yet again... we see that registration is ALWAYS the first step towards confiscation...
Tyrants want unarmed sheep for the slaughter and also want to make SURE that enough wolves come around to kill the sheep from time to time to keep the sheep in fear and supposedly looking to the tyrants for protection.
Seems stupid but people are stupid and fall for it every time.
 
sib1948 said:
Rand Paul seems like our only hope here in the US and everyone needs to vote in every election. Obama just appointed a Muslim to be the new head of Health and Human services. He proposes that all medical personnel question their patients about guns in their homes and to have these forcefully removed! May not be to health for those trying to enforce this Mandate! It's time all us Constitution loving citizens put an end the these assaults on our Freedoms once and for all and get behind the NRA with finances and volunteer help. Time to start stocking up on more ammo too.

I'm truly fed up with all these Big Brother Liberals.
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Really, Rand Paul? The same man who sponsored a bill to cut away our veterans money and benefits? Please he's one of the biggest RINO's right along side with McCain. Every single one of these "representatives" that we have in the government currently, need to be put on trial and see what they have voted for in the past. Anything that remotely resembles treason like half these damn laws recently need to be hung publicly to show what will happen to the future representatives.

People say go out and vote but as we can see that doesn't work. Even if a certain state gets the popular vote, the electoral college can vote for the other guy. So does your vote even count. Officially yes, but we all know the reality of the situation.
 
Rand Paul a RINO? You living under a rock? Rand Paul is the one blocking Obama's surgeon general appointment who is rabidly anti.
 
mdazzo said:
Rand Paul a RINO? You living under a rock? Rand Paul is the one blocking Obama's surgeon general appointment who is rabidly anti.
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Not living under a rock. Just paying attention to what he tried to do to my pension and benefits. To take away veterans benefits after they have put time in the trenches and went to war just to have them taken away by this asshat. What has he honestly done for our country besides take his lavish pay and fringe benefits and never serve his country like all of us veterans have. These people in congress are always threatening to take away the military pay and benefits. When will one of these representatives have the balls to take away welfare from the people who have been on it for the past 10-15 years.

Seriously we need to hit the "reset" button. And I truly wish it was just that easy.
 
Doc68 said:
Really, Rand Paul? The same man who sponsored a bill to cut away our veterans money and benefits? Please he's one of the biggest RINO's right along side with McCain. Every single one of these "representatives" that we have in the government currently, need to be put on trial and see what they have voted for in the past. Anything that remotely resembles treason like half these damn laws recently need to be hung publicly to show what will happen to the future representatives.

People say go out and vote but as we can see that doesn't work. Even if a certain state gets the popular vote, the electoral college can vote for the other guy. So does your vote even count. Officially yes, but we all know the reality of the situation.
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While Rand is closer to an establishment politician than I'd like but hes doing pretty well. I do not agree with him cutting vet benefits or endorsing McConnell for reelection but his body of work is pretty good. No politician is perfect, even my beloved Ted Cruz accepted large campaign donations from Monsanto and his wife is a VP for Goldman Sachs.

I hate hearing the BS about the electoral college its pure nonsense. In the over 200 years of its existence a representive has NEVER voted against what their constituents voted for, NEVER. So quit perpetuating that fear mongering phrase so many like to parrot.

Fact of the matter is nothing is really going to change until one of two things happens. Our creditors cut up our credit card causing an economic collapse or this continued assault on the 2A causes a second shot heard 'round the world. In either case the type of people who frequent this site will be the ones who fair well in that situation. Take comfort that youre not alone in this country, there are still good men willing to fight for what is right. I live in a liberal cespool (Austin) and am not the least bit worried about the liberal idiots I'm surrounded by.
 
I was afraid that might happen in Canada, especially after this fiasco Broken Trust: Gun Grab at High River (full documentary) - YouTube they obviously did not purge the gun owner records, and that doesn't really surprise any of us does it? So many govts now days like to create huge uncontrollable bureaucracies, that lie outside the purview of the legislature, they do as they please.
 
To add to the above, while the registry was supposedly scrapped (???), we do still have a licensing system up here. Every firearms owner needs to have a license. It is good for 5 years, to which it must be 're-applied' for before expiry. And, you guessed it.... part of the application process (quite lengthy) requires the applicants address on it.

So, registry or not.... they know the address of EVERY LAW ABIDING FIREARMS OWNER in Canada. The illegal firearms owners.... not so much. Seeing a pattern here?
 
Thank you for all the support guys, I wish I had better news to report this morning but this just got worse. Yesterday they prohibited another rifle, the CZ 858. Same thing as Thursday, confiscation with no compensation, theft of our private property. What guns will they ban next week is unknown but this is the start of mass confiscation!!!!

THE RCMP IS COMING FOR OUR SEMI AUTOMATICS. COMMISSIONER ROB PAULSON HAS DECLARED WAR ON LAW ABIDING CITIZENS AND WE ARE CALLING FOR HIS RESIGNATION. HE HAS GROSSLY OVERSTEPPED HIS AUTHORITY AND WE ARE CALLING ON THE GOVERNMENT TO SLAP HIM DOWN. THE POLICE DOES NOT MAKE THE LAWS, PARLIAMENT DOES.

This jackass is already in deep sh!t for what went on in High River and this is the final straw. There are approx 2000 Swiss Arms and approx 10,000 CZ 858's in Country, this is outrageous and we will not stand for this! Canadian gun owners must all stand together now or we will go down individually. The NFA needs help to fight this injustice, every donation no matter how small makes a difference to strengthening their legal defense.

https://nfa.ca/donate-legal-fund Swiss Arms/CZ858 confiscation.

Oh and if anyone feels like helping us talk some sense into the RCMP please leave a comment on their facebook page. The more people we get telling them what they are doing is wrong the better. How ironic that they have an anti bullying campaign going on right now.

https://www.facebook.com/rcmpgrc
 
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Damn guys, I'm sorry to hear they are expanding it. Paulson, shoulda been put out after High River, but as I said before they are insulated to a large degree from the legislature, and the public since they aren't elected. We have the same problem down south of you, just look at Lois Lerner, and Kathleen Sebelius, or the BATFE's letter rulings, or the EPA's new regs. They do what they want with little fear of accountability.
 
EL34 said:
They do what they want with little fear of accountability.
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You bet we have the same problem down under. Looks like all they're good for is kickin the can down the road, as its now being reported that the Supreme's wont hear a case on legality of States' rights in regards to firearms. (Montanna's Firearms Freedom Act)

Supremes shoot down state?s fight for gun rights

They promote the lawlessness with their very actions(inactions) and then try to lay the blame on the sheeple. Won't they be surprised when that can they've been kickin stops suddenly at the feet of some very p.o'd and well armed sheep.

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." quote attributed to Ben Franklin
 
I am not saying it is right but 50 well placed bullets would sure change things up there. You just need the guts to do what you believe in. Freedom for you will be costly one way or the other.
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