Is it a bad thing to have a stainless action mated to a ss barell ?
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No. Welcome, by the way.
thank you sir. Have one being built and didnt know if i was going wrong.
Hopefully it turns out to my liking. This will be my first custom built and have many questions running through my head.
Hopefully it turns out to my liking. This will be my first custom built and have many questions running through my head.
So you asked now, instead of asking your gunsmith?
Without thread grease, it sure can be...
Yes sir. THe smith didnt say anything about any of my wantings being wrong so i guess i have to trust that he knows whats best hopefully. Have done alot of reading and looking at different custom rifles some of my friends have and have never heard of it being a bad combo till just a few minutes ago so i decided to ask on here cause of all the knowledge that comes through these forums. Im still undecided on which stock to mate it too, its a rem.700 blueprinted and accurized long action with a 26 inch fluted barell fitted with a vias muz.brake chambered in 7mm mag. going to have a farrell g-force pic. rail with badger max 50 30mm rings and a nightforce 5.5-22x56 glass. Am looking into the Bobby Hart LRT/T stock with accublock but dont know whether to go blind mag or bdl floorplate ??
I don't think galling is the problem that it used to be.
My 5R didn't have any lube on it and it wasn't hard to spin the barrel on and off.
I've got a new schneider SS barrel on that action without lube, no problems so far.
At one time, galling was a big problem with SS.
sounds like a very nice build.
Blind mags suck.
either bdl floorplate or aics mag if you don't mind spending the money on a DBM and a couple of mags.
I'd check with Hart first to see if his stock can be inletted for a dbm.
either way, be sure to post some photo's, I'm sure it is going to be a sweet looking rig.
My 5R didn't have any lube on it and it wasn't hard to spin the barrel on and off.
I've got a new schneider SS barrel on that action without lube, no problems so far.
At one time, galling was a big problem with SS.
sounds like a very nice build.
Blind mags suck.
either bdl floorplate or aics mag if you don't mind spending the money on a DBM and a couple of mags.
I'd check with Hart first to see if his stock can be inletted for a dbm.
either way, be sure to post some photo's, I'm sure it is going to be a sweet looking rig.
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No, there's nothing wrong with a stainless action and stainless barrel. It's the only setup I would build.
There's a very slight problem with galling of stainless/stainless pieces that gets WAY overblown on the internet by people that don't really know what they're talking about. They read something then blow it all out of proportion. Your gunsmith will put some kind of never seize or thread grease on the threads when fitting the barrel and that'll prevent any problems. Any two metals of like hardness will gall, chrome moly will do it too though stainless is slightly more likely because it's "stickier". A stainless action with a stainless bolt can gall if the lugs aren't lubricated, I keep the lugs lubricated on everything so it's not a problem. On a remington M700 stainless action the bolt lugs are actually chrome moly so it won't happen.
The advantages of a stainless steel action FAR outweigh any negatives.
There's a very slight problem with galling of stainless/stainless pieces that gets WAY overblown on the internet by people that don't really know what they're talking about. They read something then blow it all out of proportion. Your gunsmith will put some kind of never seize or thread grease on the threads when fitting the barrel and that'll prevent any problems. Any two metals of like hardness will gall, chrome moly will do it too though stainless is slightly more likely because it's "stickier". A stainless action with a stainless bolt can gall if the lugs aren't lubricated, I keep the lugs lubricated on everything so it's not a problem. On a remington M700 stainless action the bolt lugs are actually chrome moly so it won't happen.
The advantages of a stainless steel action FAR outweigh any negatives.
My thought as well
I've had a lot of "fun" with stainless threaded fasteners in several applications (not just firearms) that resulted in destructive measures. Assuming that the proper thread lubrication is used, stainless barrels and receivers are a fine combination as evidenced by the several million firearms that have utilized this combination over the years. When it comes to practical firearms, I like corrosion-resistant materials.
My 1st custom rifle was built around a Nesika Bay Mod K SS action, with their SS recoil lug, and a SS Krieger 308 std Palma bbl. The original builder did a very good job of fitting & chambering the 308 bbl, and the rifle has shot extremely well in Palma matches (800,900,&1000yds prone with coat & sling). But when I wanted a local smith to fit & chamber another Krieger for 6.5x55, he had an absolute bitch of a time getting the 308 bbl unscrewed. That was back in '02, a couple of years before I bought my own lathe, and I really don't recall whether there was any lube or grease on the 308 bbl's threads once we finally got it off the action. This smith is a good friend, and he was practically sweating BBs worrying about screwing up a nice custom action while trying to get that 308 bbl off. Since then, I've fitted an additional SS Krieger in 6 Dasher to this action, and have had no more issues with swapping out bbls, since I use moly bbl paste on the threads.
I used Permatex copper anti-seize lube on a Rem SS M700 with Holland SS lug & SS Krieger bbl a couple of weeks ago for a customer, first time I've used this stuff. Figured that if it's good enough for the guys at BAT Machine, it's good enough for me - the last three BAT SS 3L actions I've gotten from them had copper anti-seize on the bolts.
I typically use moly grease or paste on bbl threads when fitting either chrome moly or SS bbls to chrome moly actions; never had a problem with galling when using grease, whether it's plain ol' moly fortified automotive grease, or NECO Moly Slide.
I used Permatex copper anti-seize lube on a Rem SS M700 with Holland SS lug & SS Krieger bbl a couple of weeks ago for a customer, first time I've used this stuff. Figured that if it's good enough for the guys at BAT Machine, it's good enough for me - the last three BAT SS 3L actions I've gotten from them had copper anti-seize on the bolts.
I typically use moly grease or paste on bbl threads when fitting either chrome moly or SS bbls to chrome moly actions; never had a problem with galling when using grease, whether it's plain ol' moly fortified automotive grease, or NECO Moly Slide.
It is my impression this initially came from the pistol world. Back in the 70s, when stainless frames and slides started to come out, there were galling issues. But through experience that has been all but eliminated by having the stainless "upper" be a slightly different crystal structure than the lower.
There is a stainless / stainless Camp Perry gun listed in the ForSake section right now.
Regards,
TTR
There is a stainless / stainless Camp Perry gun listed in the ForSake
section right now. Regards,
TTR
I'm sorry but stainless steel is stainless steel.
It will eventually gaul if not properly lubricated.
I am respectfully screaming in my head " why would you not lube the threads of the barrel!!!" .05 cent worth of lube on a 1500.00 barrels action only is mandatory
thanks for all the info. NW Action works are the ones chambering and fitting the barell and action. hoping to have all the parts together and ready to test down range accuracy in 7 to 8 weeks. fingers crossed.
Agreed completely! Generally speaking, any fastener that I assemble is going to have some sort of lubrication on it unless threadlocker or sealant is specified. Why take chances with something galling or corroding when such problems can be minimized so easily.
With stainless, I'm convinced there are two categories of experience - those who have experienced galled threads, and those who will eventually experience galling.
Some grades of stainless are more forgiving than others. It is not just stainless on stainless either. I personally recently machined the tenon out of a 591 because it locked up. It had antisieze and I honestly have no idea how it happened. The threads went together fine and smooth. It unthreaded about two turns and hit the brakes. Nothing I could do would get it out. I ended up cutting the tenon off and machined it out of the receiver. The threads looked fine except for one small chip on the crest of one thread. Whether that was the cause or result, I still don't know. Shitty situation either way.
I am a little more generous with my thread lube now though just to be on the safe side.
Now what makes me want to punch babies is the Chinese 304 stainless hardware being used for cable management on communication towers now. It will weld itself together just looking at it.
I have to work with grade 5 titanium , 316L and 17-4 alot and they gall pretty bad.
I haven't ever had a problem mating a SS action to a SS barrel but I'm very liberal with nickel never seize.
I fitted up a old Blackstar Accumax II barrel to a Bat SS action both of which are 17-4 , just making sure that the threads were buffed to make sure their were zero burs then massaged in the anti seize. The barrel was removed and installed a couple different times with no issue.
I think as long and the thread quality is good and a bit of care is taken to make sure their isn't and leftover boogers or burs their won't be any issue with galling
I haven't ever had a problem mating a SS action to a SS barrel but I'm very liberal with nickel never seize.
I fitted up a old Blackstar Accumax II barrel to a Bat SS action both of which are 17-4 , just making sure that the threads were buffed to make sure their were zero burs then massaged in the anti seize. The barrel was removed and installed a couple different times with no issue.
I think as long and the thread quality is good and a bit of care is taken to make sure their isn't and leftover boogers or burs their won't be any issue with galling
I have a Hall receiver made from 17-4 ph that is hardened to around 42 Rc and never encountered even a hint of sticking using 416 stainless barrels. Also have a custom wad 1911 made by George Madore using a special run of Caspian 17-4 frames many years ago. The slide is a Colt and after 10's of thousands of cycles there is no trace of any galling with little lubrication.
I ran into this while working on some large reefer trailers, and it royally sucked. How something can be so soft and yet so difficult to drill/cut is beyond my understanding of metallurgy.
Thousands of stainless actions wear stainless barrels without problems, however, make sure that you lube the threads AND the face of the receiver as well and the recoil lug. The receiver face as well as the barrel shoulder can and will gall if assembled without proper lube..
when should the barell be fluted? before or after chambering anf fitting to action ?
NWAW is going to flute it after the barreled action is completed. I just had a 22-250 built by them. Best approach may be to have the barrel fluted by the barrel manufacturer; warranty.
I would be prepared to wait more than 8 weeks unless you sent NWAW a barrel. Unless their work load has recently changed, it could take a while. I waited 6 months. Awesome gun, great work.
I would be prepared to wait more than 8 weeks unless you sent NWAW a barrel. Unless their work load has recently changed, it could take a while. I waited 6 months. Awesome gun, great work.
waiting is the hard part. but i know excellence takes time. i'd rather it take a while and be right than get it quick and it not be right and shoot all over the place.
