Rifle Scopes For the 5th time this week: Cant decide

[Wheres-Waldo]

I know this has been asked a bizillion times.

Ive been in the shooting sports for a while, and am no stranger to the mid-high end optics.

For the most part my rifles sport NF NXS glass, and I'm on the prowl for a new peice of glass for my latest build.

The platform is an M2008 in 6.5x47 Improved.

I'm partial to NF as I have had nothing but the best experiences with thier products, and am anxious to try thier new 3.5-15 F1, but I am wondering what this scope gives up to the not so much more highly priced USO's and S&B's. I've never owned either, and would be happy with one, but for the most part, the only thing I can see myself loosing by going with a NF is internal adj. range with thier 30mm tube.

I'll say right off that NF glass is great for me, S&B glass is great, Premier glass is great...glass quality isnt really a factor for me with these mfg's.

Im weary of Premier and Vortex as thier scopes are relitivly new designs, although I have handled a Premier on the range before.

S&B is really the next stone I'de like to leap to, particularly because I have limited experience with them on USMC M107s, but is all they have to offer over NF is an extra 4mm in the main tube?

 

[gugubica]

Re: For the 5th time this week: Cant decide

At this point, everything is subjective. If you have come to love the feel, performance and features of your NF's, then the F1 will give up nothing to the others mentioned.

If there are things about your NF that bug you, then another manufacturer might have the answer.

They are all good, and it comes down to personal preference. Do you like 5 mils per turn, or would you rather have more? Do you like high turrets or low ones? CCW knobs, or backwards? Etc.

The available travel of an F1 is not a reason to discount them as an option.

 

[deadly0311]

Re: For the 5th time this week: Cant decide

I would look into the F1, i ran Franks out at RO for a few minutes and i must say its a great scope. You looked through my premier, and the one thing i wish i could change about it is how close the clicks are. If the Premier had the click spacement like the NF that would be money.

 

[BobinNC]

Re: For the 5th time this week: Cant decide

Where's-Waldo,

I'm not sure I can help you with your choice, but certainly a NF, or USO, or PH, or S&B would do you fine.

But I was puzzled by your quote; <span style="font-weight: bold">"the only thing I can see myself loosing by going with a NF is internal adj. range with thier 30mm tube."</span>

I can't compare all the scopes you name because I don't have all at hand, but I can read the makers spec's:

NXS 3.5-15 x 50 F1; Internal Adjustment Range: 110moa elev. 80moa wind.

S&B 3–12 x 50 PM II Military: Elevation range: 220cm at 100m (79.2" @ 100 yds)

S&B 4–16 x 42 PM II LP: Elevation range: 130cm at 100m (46.9"@ 100 yds)

PH 3-15x50: 22 mrad per revolution single-turn turret or 27mrad double-turn turret with 15 mrad per turn (So 79.2" or 97.2" @ 100 yds)

SN-3 T-PAL Power: 3.2-17x: I could not find the USO spec. but I seem to remember you have 100" @ 100 yds.

It appears at first glance, the adjustment range on the NF is greater than all, expect maybe the USO. So what are you giving up, by going to a NF with 30mm tube? Not a lot by my estimation.

Bob

 

[Wheres-Waldo]

Re: For the 5th time this week: Cant decide

Ha, wasnt aware of that Bob.

Makes me wonder what all these other mfg's are doing with that extra 4mm of tube diameter?

God knows I do love those NF scopes...Honestly I cant think of anything I'de change, other than F1 on the 5.5-22 model.

 

[deadly0311]

Re: For the 5th time this week: Cant decide

hey Waldo, might hold out for that, there was some talk about that rolling out here in the near future, the 5.5-22 in an FFP configuration. When you heading out to the range again? You get your stock

 

[hunter223]

Re: For the 5th time this week: Cant decide

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: deadly0311</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would look into the F1, i ran Franks out at RO for a few minutes and i must say its a great scope. You looked through my premier, and the one thing i wish i could change about it is how close the clicks are. <span style="color: #FF0000">If the Premier had the click spacement like the NF that would be money. </span> </div></div>

ala, Vortex Razor

very NF-ish spacing with very S&B-like positive clicks

 

[seven mm]

Re: For the 5th time this week: Cant decide

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wheres-Waldo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> but is all they have to offer over NF is an extra 4mm in the main tube?</div></div>

Not in my opinion, they offer reticles such as the gen2 xr which are better for hold off shooting, numbered mil markings on the reticle, turrets with a lot of adj per revolution, easier for me cause I tend to forget which revolution I'm on with a NF. Better lit reticles.

A few reasons off the top of my head why I prefer s&B, premier, vs NF.

Don't get me wrong NF scopes are great I just prefer others more after using/owning them.

 

[scotharr]

Re: For the 5th time this week: Cant decide

You are certainly going to pay a lot more for a S&B. So, I don't think that is a good scope to compare against. Versus, the USO, the glass might be a hair better, but the reliability of the turrets and durability of the NF would make it my choice every time.

If you are looking at S&B prices, then I would suggest looking at March scopes as the best choice in that price class.

 

[Rob01]

Re: For the 5th time this week: Cant decide

Having owned all you are looking at, I now run the NF F1s. Love the scope. The 5 mils per turn isn't a problem and made much to big a deal about by people. It will get you to 1000 with a .308 in about 2 turns and with other flatter calibers you will be about halfway to 3/4 into the second turn. With the zero stop getting lost would be pretty hard to do. Having the click spacing like they do it much nicer than more mils per revolution. Also they track dead on. Also as mentioned you have alot of travel for a 30mm tube.

The glass is great on the scope also. Better than the USOs I have owned.

The MLR reticle is an excellent reticle in my opinion. Works as well as any out there. Allowed me to get a good sight picture on a 5" dot at 1000 yards.

Having sold off S&Bs, Premiers and USOs to buy the NF F1s I own I couldn't be happier. For the price, about $2290, you get a great FFP scope with great glass, mil knobs, an illuminated mil reticle and rings and a sunshade.

 

[Trigger Monkey]

Re: For the 5th time this week: Cant decide

I agree wholeheartedly with Rob and I did practically the samething he did, traded or sold my Premier and S&B's for F1's with money left over. Knowing what I know about at least one of the above mentioned brands, I'm very glad I use the NF's because glass isn't everything.