This is NOT How You Win Hearts and Minds

[Veer_G]

Just so goddamned dumb. Excoriate the father for his politics if you wamt to, but otherwise we're talking national institution here.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/nation_world/20170225_ap_e8df59573ae547458869418be052efdb.html

Or was there a "Deep State" agenda?

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

We have never won anything "Winning hearts & Mines", that is/has been/ and always will be, a DoD/Defense Contractors, ploy to keep wars going. If that bullshit (H&M) were true Singlaub would have never been called before congress. Every war we have won has been with bullet placement or High explosive. Either behind the ear, or leveling the whole shit hole. Mouthy Collaborators are just as guilty as those who do the deeds.

 

[Michael]

Aside from the story itself, Hearts and Minds is BS.
Always has been.

Go somewhere, find everyone who wants to kill you, kill them and their friends, come home.

Wanna build infrastructure? Do it in your own country.
Want to win others over to your way of thinking? Start with your neighbor and save the transport costs.
Want to offend someone by asking if they're a certain religion? Go ahead, likely they will be offended but remain among the living when the sun goes down.

 

[Rthur]

I was detained at Detroit bringing a car back to the US a few years ago.
No explanation, held me for an hour and fifteen minutes.
Had the car in an enclosed trailer.
It was snowing like hell, lake effect.
I think they were just watching me to see how I would react.
While I'm not the son of a great boxing personality, is that any different?
After finally getting my paperwork back we were now driving in over a foot of snow.
Most interesting thing I noticed, there wasn't any tracks dog or man around the trailer when we left.


R

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

I was detained at Detroit bringing a car back to the US a few years ago.
No explanation, held me for an hour and fifteen minutes.
Had the car in an enclosed trailer.
It was snowing like hell, lake effect.
I think they were just watching me to see how I would react.
While I'm not the son of a great boxing personality, is that any different?
After finally getting my paperwork back we were now driving in over a foot of snow.
Most interesting thing I noticed, there wasn't any tracks dog or man around the trailer when we left.


R

Quotas as well as box's to check, they're trying to justify their job. You ever seen a civi .gov worker break a sweat with the electrical power on an the A/C working?

 

[Veer_G]

im willing to bet $100 this did not happen the way hes claiming or the way its being reported( if it really happened at all)....it all seems a little too convenient

Cameron, I hope you're right. I really do.

The rest of you? Sarcasm is just lost on some. Frank? We need dripping sarcasm icons on the fix-it list.

From what little I know, you compare notes in such a situation. Once they figured out who the widow was, wouldn't it make sense that she wasn't smuggling back a terrorist from the Caribbean, let alone some fun in the sack?

I hope it's a set-up. Otherwise, sloppily unconstitutional.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

sloppily unconstitutional.

Whats unconstitutional about it?

 

[Veer_G]

Bias in treatment according to choice of faith? 1st Amendment much? Or have we shelved that for the duration? This wasn't supposed to be sold as a boom lowered on Muslims, just on those coming from high-risk nations.

 

[ArmyJerry]

I have to call bullshit on this story, travelled many many countries with muslim counterparts,citizen and foreign muslims, never once did I see or hear them complain that they were asked their religion. this story is pure bullshit. and Fk hearts and minds, as stated above, that is a policy for losers.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

Bias in treatment according to choice of faith? 1st Amendment much? Or have we shelved that for the duration? This wasn't supposed to be sold as a boom lowered on Muslims, just on those coming from high-risk nations.

I don't see it like that, as when uncle sends you to school on how extract Intel it may appear to be crossing the line to extroverts but it is not per the laws, of this country. Get them to self incriminate or give you the Intel w/o them even knowing they did it. Not everything is as it appears or one would like.

 

[Veer_G]

I don't see it like that, as when uncle sends you to school on how extract Intel it may appear to be crossing the line to extroverts but it is not per the laws, of this country. Get them to self incriminate or give you the Intel w/o them even knowing they did it. Not everything is as it appears or one would like.

An extrovert is someone with an outgoing personality. And Uncle sometimes likes to beat the shit out of the paper that it swears to support and defend. I like my protections untwisted and dent-free.

This was ham-handed and poorly thought out. But I guess that's just the opinion of a square peg in a round peg-only world.

 

[Rthur]

My point I tried to make above, being held up by the tsa or any of the crews charged with security is more common place than most think.
We however don't hear about it as those folks aren't Mohammad Ali's wife or son.
This is obviously a "muslim" ban scenario.
I have a female friend that is a smoking hot woman.
Strangely she gets frisked more than everyone else I know.
Maybe it is because she is Presbyterian.
I think until more info is available speculation and agenda are going to rule this story.

R

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

An extrovert is someone with an outgoing personality. And Uncle sometimes likes to beat the shit out of the paper that it swears to support and defend. I like my protections untwisted and dent-free.

This was ham-handed and poorly thought out. But I guess that's just the opinion of a square peg in a round peg-only world.

So your taking what you read as pure fact? I'd be-careful going thru life like that. Also dig deeper on the extrovert/introvert trite, you might find your understanding is w/o merit during heavy interrogation w/ more than one interrogator

 

[Veer_G]

So your taking what you read as pure fact? I'd be-careful going thru life like that. Also dig deeper on the extrovert/introvert trite, you might find your understanding is w/o merit during heavy interrogation w/ more than one interrogator

I'm taking it as pure possibility flavored with known past performance and first-hand experience.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

I'm taking it as pure possibility flavored with known past performance and first-hand experience.

I've had first hand exp in many things, even a few AAR's and, what I and others said in the de-brief (an we were the only ones there) was not what was in the official. When we ask WTF we were told for it's only our job to complete the task an tell the truth, the official narrative is for general consumption. If you ever get to where you have the ability to read AAR's then talk to those involved you'll understand if it happens with the military/uncle, why would it not happen to/with those who have/run agendas. Read a police report of my stolen car, they said they found 12 gauge OO buckshot in the glove compartment, (when in fact it was Winchester 12 gauge AA Trap shells) and they said the perp was most likely one who was wanted in many 211's. Read all things between the lines, never take anything in print as/at face value. There are even those who stick their hand on the Bible an are sworn to tell the truth, but perjury happens everyday. Question why are the locks on the lockers of LEO's change rooms?

 

[APintOfGuinnessPlease!]

I have to call bullshit on this story, travelled many many countries with muslim counterparts,citizen and foreign muslims, never once did I see or hear them complain that they were asked their religion. this story is pure bullshit. and Fk hearts and minds, as stated above, that is a policy for losers.

lol - , yes, because everything that happened in the past, your past, is wholly acceptable as precedent for all events present and future.... ceteris paribus eh Jerry...

What strikes me as sad is that we've now moved away from wanting freedom to wanting draconian, unconstitutional protection. Didn't someone have something to say about folks who want safety over freedom didn't deserve shit?

I dunno. I'm going to see if I can get my Atheist card or something. Would they believe me if I said "no' when they ask if I'm a Moose-lamb? Maybe I can say I'm not tanned, just smokey from the cross burning...

Good grief. At least we got to see Melissa McCarthy's impression of Spicer on SNL. That was funny.

In case anyone is interested in hearts and minds as a winning strategy http://www.defenceviewpoints.co.uk/...earts-and-minds-malayan-campaign-re-evaluated

 

[Deleted member 10043]

They could have avoided the whole thing simply by saying, "you have a smartphone look it up. You'll see my real name is Clay and my lineage begins in Kentucky and goes from there straight to Africa." The story is written like there is no reference desk in our back pocket."

 

[Michael]

Maybe it is because she is Presbyterian.

Good enough for me

 

[Veer_G]

I've had first hand exp in many things, even a few AAR's and, what I and others said in the de-brief (an we were the only ones there) was not what was in the official. When we ask WTF we were told for it's only our job to complete the task an tell the truth, the official narrative is for general consumption. If you ever get to where you have the ability to read AAR's then talk to those involved you'll understand if it happens with the military/uncle, why would it not happen to/with those who have/run agendas. Read a police report of my stolen car, they said they found 12 gauge OO buckshot in the glove compartment, (when in fact it was Winchester 12 gauge AA Trap shells) and they said the perp was most likely one who was wanted in many 211's. Read all things between the lines, never take anything in print as/at face value. There are even those who stick their hand on the Bible an are sworn to tell the truth, but perjury happens everyday. Question why are the locks on the lockers of LEO's change rooms?

Can you help me with the putting the pants on, both legs at once thing? I get the theory, but the actual drill just escapes me. Thanks, Joker.

 

[buffalowinter]

Here you go Veer...

 

[Veer_G]

Here you go Veer...

That works. Now we just need to reduce it to emoji size.