Rifle Scopes Nightforce ATACR FFP and 2FP Question
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I think it is generational, and not design, but you can check, and others will correct me (a fact of this forum). A few years back, NF had only one FFP scope, the NXS F1, then the ATACR line came out and the Beast. Next, more scopes were offered in FFP, and also they have been reducing the lens size as well. The 56mm was reduced to 50mm and so on. Likewise, early on, they were almost exclusively MOA, and they have begun offering more MRAD choices, starting with a basic (MOAR style) MIL-R, and then some Horus and Tremor, and now the MIL-C.
That is my recollection.
That is my recollection.
That's interesting, but I'm still left wondering why they would make the version of this scope that has the most light coming through it in 2FP. I'm given to understand that 2FP has the disadvantage of not giving you an accurate way to use the reticle to range MOA, etc. On the other hand, I'm tempted to buy this one just because the thought of more light coming through it appeals to me.
Good points. I like more light, and larger diameter optics. What made NF famous was its ability to get more light in twilight situations (and the fact you can throw it off a 5-story building and still use it).
My view on FFP and SFP -- if you use the scope for tactical situations or hunting and do not have a rangefinder, there is nothing like FFP, as it makes ranging easy. SFP are more popular, where you have a known distance, like at a range. That said, with a good scope (like NF), you can still range out on highest magnification, since you know the magnification and thus how large 1 MOA is at that magnification, and get the same result. The nay-sayers would tell you that you don't know if the scope, at max is 15x, or 14.7x, but you can measure that as well, and also read what NF manual tells you.
My view on FFP and SFP -- if you use the scope for tactical situations or hunting and do not have a rangefinder, there is nothing like FFP, as it makes ranging easy. SFP are more popular, where you have a known distance, like at a range. That said, with a good scope (like NF), you can still range out on highest magnification, since you know the magnification and thus how large 1 MOA is at that magnification, and get the same result. The nay-sayers would tell you that you don't know if the scope, at max is 15x, or 14.7x, but you can measure that as well, and also read what NF manual tells you.
That video that Nightforce made a couple years ago was amazing...you've seen it, I assume? A dude literally throws the scope, after twisting the turrets every way but loose, as far as he can and as high as he can, then throws it back to the shooter. Who puts it back on his scope, returns the turrets to their zero stop and puts more round nearly in the same place back on target. I mean....I saw that video and I was all like...
You'd think some other scope manufacturers would step and show their scope being beat and thrown around...well...crickets chirping...
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You'd think some other scope manufacturers would step and show their scope being beat and thrown around...well...crickets chirping...
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While being able to mil at any magnification is a good quality, I think the real benefit to FFP is the fact that your holds stay consistent. If you make a wind call and you're a half mil right, your correction is a half mil no matter what magnification you're on. It just cuts another step in the math if you're measuring misses and dialing. Less thinking to go wrong.
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Absolutely correct, and I like the FFP, but also use the SFP scopes. The reality is that most shooters use the maximum magnification anyway, so you can do the same almost most of the time with a SFP scope. Of course, you have more choices if you go with a Hours or Hours-like reticle, which I believe is only offered in FFP (could be wrong, but I have not seen it in SFP).
Bs it's useless you just haven't been around long enough to know what he's saying. The target audience for the ffp model is going to be some guys running ar platforms in tactical or prs style comps and for guys running compact "tactical" rifles. The 50mm model is geared for hunters that don't require ffp
HK DAVE, thank you for a great example of a totally useless response.LOL.
There's been a video around for a long time of a USO scope being thrown off a hill several times then remounted and shot.
My guess is this is where NF got the idea.
Edit this is dated 2008, 6.5 years before the NF video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88ewpwPTA6Q
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