Well, I have been running a NightForce for a couple of months. I really like the scope, but of recent I am starting to notice some problems with it. The elevation adjustment is not as positive as the windage. The windage is exactly what you would expect, but not the elevation. I am also noticing that my zero keeps changing. Same load, scope is not moving in the rings, nothing is shifting on the base, etc. I have been looking for all of that and it keeps leading me back to the scope. I still like the scope and have not found one better that suits my needs for long range applications. The scope will probable be heading back to them soon, and with as many scopes as they put out, something is going to be less than 100% sooner or later. However, I have got a few other long range builds that will be finishing soon and that are going to need glass. I wanted to know if there are other scope options out there that are comparable to the NXS. I would like to find something with many of the characteristics of the NXS, especially matching MOA reticles and turrets. I feel like I have looked over many of Nightforce's competitors and am not still not able to find something comparable.
Rifle Scopes Nightforce Alternative
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There's a lot of alternatives out there around the NXS range. Might have to bump a little cash, but that little addition of cash might step you up to a FFP scope which would be an improvment.
There's a lot of alternatives out there around the NXS range. Might have to bump a little cash, but that little addition of cash might step you up to a FFP scope which would be an improvment.
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I'll give you $750 for that thing and take your mind off your troubles !
I'll give you $750 for that thing and take your mind off your troubles !
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I have no intention of getting rid of the NF, if fact, I will probably by another before too long, but I wanted to know specifics of options out there.
I have no intention of getting rid of the NF, if fact, I will probably by another before too long, but I wanted to know specifics of options out there.
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I like the Valdata IOR SH 3 x 18 FFP. The glass is very crisp as are the elevation and windage clicks. I have one on a DPMS SASS and it has been a great scope. The only issue I have is the metric thing but I can get past that with a cheat sheet.
I like the Valdata IOR SH 3 x 18 FFP. The glass is very crisp as are the elevation and windage clicks. I have one on a DPMS SASS and it has been a great scope. The only issue I have is the metric thing but I can get past that with a cheat sheet.
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You could try US optics or IOR like JStarsz said.
You could try US optics or IOR like JStarsz said.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JSTARSZ</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I like the Valdata IOR SH 3 x 18 FFP. The glass is very crisp as are the elevation and windage clicks. I have one on a DPMS SASS and it has been a great scope. The only issue I have is the metric thing but I can get past that with a cheat sheet. </div></div>
What "Metric Thing"? If your talking the adjustments of 1cm @ 100m, you do know that's the same as 0.1 mils @ 100 yds, or 0.36" @ 100 yds.
Betcha you a MOA guy? Think MILS not MOA. Your scopes reticle is a ruler that measures in MILS, a MILDOT Master works in MILS, JBM Calculator will give you your drops in MILS and adjustments in MILS,and your scope adjusts in MILS.
Ignore Metrics written on the scope dial, just speak MILS, and forget the Metrics and MOA calculations.
Bob
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JSTARSZ</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I like the Valdata IOR SH 3 x 18 FFP. The glass is very crisp as are the elevation and windage clicks. I have one on a DPMS SASS and it has been a great scope. The only issue I have is the metric thing but I can get past that with a cheat sheet. </div></div>
What "Metric Thing"? If your talking the adjustments of 1cm @ 100m, you do know that's the same as 0.1 mils @ 100 yds, or 0.36" @ 100 yds.
Betcha you a MOA guy? Think MILS not MOA. Your scopes reticle is a ruler that measures in MILS, a MILDOT Master works in MILS, JBM Calculator will give you your drops in MILS and adjustments in MILS,and your scope adjusts in MILS.
Ignore Metrics written on the scope dial, just speak MILS, and forget the Metrics and MOA calculations.
Bob
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sendero_man</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'll give you $750 for that thing and take your mind off your troubles !
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I'll do $755 and pay shipping!
With the cash you can buy a sightron and have a great scope while I will be stuck with your defective scope, Deal?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sendero_man</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'll give you $750 for that thing and take your mind off your troubles !
</div></div>
I'll do $755 and pay shipping!
With the cash you can buy a sightron and have a great scope while I will be stuck with your defective scope, Deal?
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Which mag range NXS are you running?? If it is one of the lower ranges, I'd say wait around for an moa/moa USO SN3 to pop up in the F/S section. They pop up quite frequently. This will cost you just a little more than the NXS w/ zero stops. And it will be FFP.
Which mag range NXS are you running?? If it is one of the lower ranges, I'd say wait around for an moa/moa USO SN3 to pop up in the F/S section. They pop up quite frequently. This will cost you just a little more than the NXS w/ zero stops. And it will be FFP.
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Send it back for a check up.
Send it back for a check up.
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The scope is a 5.5-22x50.
The scope is a 5.5-22x50.
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Vortex Razor 5-20x50 quite an upgrade in glass IMO,zero stop mechanism, more elevation, NICE reticle, FFP, MIL/MIL, and better click "feel" with similar NF-like click spacing. Don't get me wrong I really like Nightforce, I've owned several, I just LOVE the Razor more. I know NF will stand behind their product and make it right, their CS is top notch. If you like the NF product, I might recommend the F1 as it's MIL/MIL IIRC and I know it's FFP but, it's 3.5-15x50 that might not be enough magnification for ya.
Vortex Razor 5-20x50 quite an upgrade in glass IMO,zero stop mechanism, more elevation, NICE reticle, FFP, MIL/MIL, and better click "feel" with similar NF-like click spacing. Don't get me wrong I really like Nightforce, I've owned several, I just LOVE the Razor more. I know NF will stand behind their product and make it right, their CS is top notch. If you like the NF product, I might recommend the F1 as it's MIL/MIL IIRC and I know it's FFP but, it's 3.5-15x50 that might not be enough magnification for ya.
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Have you contacted NF about returning the scope?
Reason I ask is I have a 5.5-22x50 NXS MilDot/ Mil turrets.
I have had about the same problem, POI shift, sometimes major-like around a 6 inch drop @ 100 yards. Long story, short, I have contacted NF three times now and been met with, to put it nicely, a less than enthusiastic response.
The rifle is a SPS Tactical .308, bedded B & C stock, timney trigger. In the process of fiddling around trying to isolate the problem with the NF I have mounted a couple of real high-end scopes: a Falcon Menace 4-14 and a Nikon Buckmaster 6-18, rifle has shot fine (at 100 yards) with both scopes.
Just wondering about your experience, as I'm getting tired of begging NF for support.
Thanks, Curt
Have you contacted NF about returning the scope?
Reason I ask is I have a 5.5-22x50 NXS MilDot/ Mil turrets.
I have had about the same problem, POI shift, sometimes major-like around a 6 inch drop @ 100 yards. Long story, short, I have contacted NF three times now and been met with, to put it nicely, a less than enthusiastic response.
The rifle is a SPS Tactical .308, bedded B & C stock, timney trigger. In the process of fiddling around trying to isolate the problem with the NF I have mounted a couple of real high-end scopes: a Falcon Menace 4-14 and a Nikon Buckmaster 6-18, rifle has shot fine (at 100 yards) with both scopes.
Just wondering about your experience, as I'm getting tired of begging NF for support.
Thanks, Curt
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: curtisj</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Have you contacted NF about returning the scope?
Reason I ask is I have a 5.5-22x50 NXS MilDot/ Mil turrets.
I have had about the same problem, POI shift, sometimes major-like around a 6 inch drop @ 100 yards. Long story, short, I have contacted NF three times now and been met with, to put it nicely, a less than enthusiastic response.
The rifle is a SPS Tactical .308, bedded B & C stock, timney trigger. In the process of fiddling around trying to isolate the problem with the NF I have mounted a couple of real high-end scopes: a Falcon Menace 4-14 and a Nikon Buckmaster 6-18, rifle has shot fine (at 100 yards) with both scopes.
Just wondering about your experience, as I'm getting tired of begging NF for support.
Thanks, Curt </div></div>
Would love to hear the WHOLE story.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: curtisj</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Have you contacted NF about returning the scope?
Reason I ask is I have a 5.5-22x50 NXS MilDot/ Mil turrets.
I have had about the same problem, POI shift, sometimes major-like around a 6 inch drop @ 100 yards. Long story, short, I have contacted NF three times now and been met with, to put it nicely, a less than enthusiastic response.
The rifle is a SPS Tactical .308, bedded B & C stock, timney trigger. In the process of fiddling around trying to isolate the problem with the NF I have mounted a couple of real high-end scopes: a Falcon Menace 4-14 and a Nikon Buckmaster 6-18, rifle has shot fine (at 100 yards) with both scopes.
Just wondering about your experience, as I'm getting tired of begging NF for support.
Thanks, Curt </div></div>
Would love to hear the WHOLE story.
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a couple of high end scopes in your opinion are a Falcon and a Nikon buckmaster? If that was sarcastic ok, but if not you have no idea of high quality. I also would love to hear the <span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-style: italic"><span style="font-weight: bold">whole</span></span></span> story. I have spent a couple hours on the phone with Ken @ NF and he has been nothing but helpful
a couple of high end scopes in your opinion are a Falcon and a Nikon buckmaster? If that was sarcastic ok, but if not you have no idea of high quality. I also would love to hear the <span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-style: italic"><span style="font-weight: bold">whole</span></span></span> story. I have spent a couple hours on the phone with Ken @ NF and he has been nothing but helpful
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You can't do better than NF and without proper troubleshooting you may not know if the scope is even the problem. Do you know zeros change for a variety of innocent reasons: changes in elevation, temperature, location, wind, reloading. Have you put a "known good" scope on to verify it is indeed the NF that is a problem? What troubleshooting have you done to be sure the scope is the issue? What has NF said?
You can't do better than NF and without proper troubleshooting you may not know if the scope is even the problem. Do you know zeros change for a variety of innocent reasons: changes in elevation, temperature, location, wind, reloading. Have you put a "known good" scope on to verify it is indeed the NF that is a problem? What troubleshooting have you done to be sure the scope is the issue? What has NF said?
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I'm getting my beer and popcorn ready....
I'm getting my beer and popcorn ready....
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This might get long, lots of details, I'll probably miss a few, but here goes
Okay, well yes I was being a little sarcastic with the high-end scope remark. Good catch. These, the Buckmaster & the Menace, are "known good" scopes, work great on some of my .22lr's, hold zero, adjust accurately, etc. Since I don't have a rack of true high end scopes these are all I had to use. Which kind of comes to the point, I wasn't sure it was the NF, that's why I used these scopes. And they both worked fine on the same rifle under the same courses of fire that the NF didn't
And yes I realize a variety of factors can cause a change in zero or POI shift, just usually not within a twenty or thirty shot range session, say something like shooting Lowlight's practical tactical target.
So the whole story goes something like this. Wanted to shoot in a local competition, real minor bragging rights thing. Hadn't shot in a while, wanted to make sure everything, mostly the shooter, that would be me, was up to speed. Shot the hide group target, POI started to shift on about the 4th group. Finished the target's 5 groups. Let rifle cool 10-15 minutes, started in on the second, same style, target, POI dropped about 3 inches. FWIW, the temperature and barometric pressure hadn't changed significantly and to my knowledge my elevation hadn't changed.
Over the course of two or three range trips the POI dropped roughly 2 mils, around 7 inches.
Called NF, it's been a while, but I'm pretty sure I talked to Ken. Went something like this.
Hi Ken I'm a nobody with a NF scope, I not a sniper superstar, a shooting know it all, just another guy with Rem 700 trying to have some fun shooting. I explained the problems I was having to Ken.
Ken told me to get the stock bedded, so I did. Same shit.
BTW NF base, NF rings, torqued to NF specs from the beginning. Intention of buying a NF was to INVEST in a quality scope I could build a rifle under and work out to longer range shooting. I guess shooting out to 600 yards accurately was my original intent.
Called NF again, talked to someone in sales-can't remember who. Asked for help, again I offered that I wasn't sure it was the scope, but I just wasn't sure what else to do.
Told this person that I had mounted a <span style="font-style: italic">Falcon Menace</span> on the rifle and it had shot fine in the same situation that NF hadn't. His reply...how much does the Menace weigh compared to the NF
, and then something along the lines , well I guess you can send it back. Hmm, about this time I'm thinking I'm on my own here, but I'll keep trying to figure it out.
When I mounted the Menace it was in Millett weaver style rings.
After switching to a two peice NF 20 moa base and having the same issues I decided to try the Buckmaster. The Buckmaster is in TPS TSR tactical scope rings. I bought this scope & rings for a 22 build some time after purchasing the NF. Well I noticed in mounting this scope that the TSR rings fit much better in the rail than the NF rings did, almost no slop compared to the NF rings which slide easily back and forth.
Again FWIW I mic'd the cross bolt on the different rings. TSR .195 on average, NF .140 on average. Well shit, I'm thinking the problem is in the effen rings.
So, yup here we go again, called NF, I got to start writing these names down because I'm not sure who I talked to but it started with a B. Asked him about their rings, any way I could tell if I had authentic NF rings, asked for specifics on fit, explained that the TSR's fit much better on the rail than the NF rings I've been using (I measured the cross-bolts later). Also explained again the issues with the scope and that I was doing everything I could think of to isolate the problem. No straight answer was given by the NF person as to why such a sloppy fit, no offer that maybe they would like to look at the scope, and no suggestions as to further troubleshooting.
So, as I sit here and type, I'm awaiting shipment of another pair of NF rings. I think this is the last variable. When they get here I'll compare them to the set I have had on the scope and see where I'm at.
Okay, I've typed enough, flame away.
Curt
This might get long, lots of details, I'll probably miss a few, but here goes
Okay, well yes I was being a little sarcastic with the high-end scope remark. Good catch. These, the Buckmaster & the Menace, are "known good" scopes, work great on some of my .22lr's, hold zero, adjust accurately, etc. Since I don't have a rack of true high end scopes these are all I had to use. Which kind of comes to the point, I wasn't sure it was the NF, that's why I used these scopes. And they both worked fine on the same rifle under the same courses of fire that the NF didn't
And yes I realize a variety of factors can cause a change in zero or POI shift, just usually not within a twenty or thirty shot range session, say something like shooting Lowlight's practical tactical target.
So the whole story goes something like this. Wanted to shoot in a local competition, real minor bragging rights thing. Hadn't shot in a while, wanted to make sure everything, mostly the shooter, that would be me, was up to speed. Shot the hide group target, POI started to shift on about the 4th group. Finished the target's 5 groups. Let rifle cool 10-15 minutes, started in on the second, same style, target, POI dropped about 3 inches. FWIW, the temperature and barometric pressure hadn't changed significantly and to my knowledge my elevation hadn't changed.
Over the course of two or three range trips the POI dropped roughly 2 mils, around 7 inches.
Called NF, it's been a while, but I'm pretty sure I talked to Ken. Went something like this.
Hi Ken I'm a nobody with a NF scope, I not a sniper superstar, a shooting know it all, just another guy with Rem 700 trying to have some fun shooting. I explained the problems I was having to Ken.
Ken told me to get the stock bedded, so I did. Same shit.
BTW NF base, NF rings, torqued to NF specs from the beginning. Intention of buying a NF was to INVEST in a quality scope I could build a rifle under and work out to longer range shooting. I guess shooting out to 600 yards accurately was my original intent.
Called NF again, talked to someone in sales-can't remember who. Asked for help, again I offered that I wasn't sure it was the scope, but I just wasn't sure what else to do.
Told this person that I had mounted a <span style="font-style: italic">Falcon Menace</span> on the rifle and it had shot fine in the same situation that NF hadn't. His reply...how much does the Menace weigh compared to the NF
When I mounted the Menace it was in Millett weaver style rings.
After switching to a two peice NF 20 moa base and having the same issues I decided to try the Buckmaster. The Buckmaster is in TPS TSR tactical scope rings. I bought this scope & rings for a 22 build some time after purchasing the NF. Well I noticed in mounting this scope that the TSR rings fit much better in the rail than the NF rings did, almost no slop compared to the NF rings which slide easily back and forth.
Again FWIW I mic'd the cross bolt on the different rings. TSR .195 on average, NF .140 on average. Well shit, I'm thinking the problem is in the effen rings.
So, yup here we go again, called NF, I got to start writing these names down because I'm not sure who I talked to but it started with a B. Asked him about their rings, any way I could tell if I had authentic NF rings, asked for specifics on fit, explained that the TSR's fit much better on the rail than the NF rings I've been using (I measured the cross-bolts later). Also explained again the issues with the scope and that I was doing everything I could think of to isolate the problem. No straight answer was given by the NF person as to why such a sloppy fit, no offer that maybe they would like to look at the scope, and no suggestions as to further troubleshooting.
So, as I sit here and type, I'm awaiting shipment of another pair of NF rings. I think this is the last variable. When they get here I'll compare them to the set I have had on the scope and see where I'm at.
Okay, I've typed enough, flame away.
Curt
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ive got the same scope u have and no problems here . id send it back and get it fixed and keep on shooting
ive got the same scope u have and no problems here . id send it back and get it fixed and keep on shooting
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NF is just another Japanese piece of glass,overpriced compared to a lot of competters,for most shooting I prefer a Sightron or Bushnell 6500 series.IMHO,the NF is not all that,I will spend my money elsewhere
NF is just another Japanese piece of glass,overpriced compared to a lot of competters,for most shooting I prefer a Sightron or Bushnell 6500 series.IMHO,the NF is not all that,I will spend my money elsewhere
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goods
I'll probably end up doing that. And I'll definitely keep shooting, thanks.
SANDRAT
the more I learn the more I'm with you. You know how it goes fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. won't be a second time with me and NF.
goods
I'll probably end up doing that. And I'll definitely keep shooting, thanks.
SANDRAT
the more I learn the more I'm with you. You know how it goes fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. won't be a second time with me and NF.
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This is getting stupid. Anything can break or fuck up.... It happens.
So you think you have a broken scope and are waiting for someone to tell you to send it in? Were it mine, I would have long ago sent it in without any phone calls or whining on the 'net. Sending it back for a check up is that easy.
This is getting stupid. Anything can break or fuck up.... It happens.
So you think you have a broken scope and are waiting for someone to tell you to send it in? Were it mine, I would have long ago sent it in without any phone calls or whining on the 'net. Sending it back for a check up is that easy.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SANDRAT</div><div class="ubbcode-body">NF is just another Japanese piece of glass,overpriced compared to a lot of competters,for most shooting I prefer a Sightron or Bushnell 6500 series.IMHO,the NF is not all that,I will spend my money elsewhere </div></div>
LOL! Thats funny.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SANDRAT</div><div class="ubbcode-body">NF is just another Japanese piece of glass,overpriced compared to a lot of competters,for most shooting I prefer a Sightron or Bushnell 6500 series.IMHO,the NF is not all that,I will spend my money elsewhere </div></div>
LOL! Thats funny.
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For starters i call bullshit on your story of CS with NightForce. I have dealt with them over my blatant neglect and bashing a scope on cement, have had used scopes I bought sent directly to them from the seller and gotten a checkup before I took ownership. Nothing but top notch service. Ive never sent one back due to manufacturing defects or parts failure.
Any optic can have problems, hell, I HAD 5 USO's. 4 of them were sent back. I paid double the price of a new NightForce for a couple of those.
Saying a bushnell is better than a NightForce is silly.
For starters i call bullshit on your story of CS with NightForce. I have dealt with them over my blatant neglect and bashing a scope on cement, have had used scopes I bought sent directly to them from the seller and gotten a checkup before I took ownership. Nothing but top notch service. Ive never sent one back due to manufacturing defects or parts failure.
Any optic can have problems, hell, I HAD 5 USO's. 4 of them were sent back. I paid double the price of a new NightForce for a couple of those.
Saying a bushnell is better than a NightForce is silly.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sendero_man</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'll give you $750 for that thing and take your mind off your troubles !
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$751 and I will pick it up in Houston. smile....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sendero_man</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'll give you $750 for that thing and take your mind off your troubles !
</div></div>
$751 and I will pick it up in Houston. smile....
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hunter223</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Vortex Razor 5-20x50 quite an upgrade in glass IMO,zero stop mechanism, more elevation, NICE reticle, FFP, MIL/MIL, and better click "feel" with similar NF-like click spacing. Don't get me wrong I really like Nightforce, I've owned several, I just LOVE the Razor more. I know NF will stand behind their product and make it right, their CS is top notch. If you like the NF product, I might recommend the F1 as it's MIL/MIL IIRC and I know it's FFP but, it's 3.5-15x50 that might not be enough magnification for ya. </div></div>
That being a joke right? leveling Vortex and NF, well to each his own.
I for one always opt for things that have a proven track record.
Best regards Chris
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hunter223</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Vortex Razor 5-20x50 quite an upgrade in glass IMO,zero stop mechanism, more elevation, NICE reticle, FFP, MIL/MIL, and better click "feel" with similar NF-like click spacing. Don't get me wrong I really like Nightforce, I've owned several, I just LOVE the Razor more. I know NF will stand behind their product and make it right, their CS is top notch. If you like the NF product, I might recommend the F1 as it's MIL/MIL IIRC and I know it's FFP but, it's 3.5-15x50 that might not be enough magnification for ya. </div></div>
That being a joke right? leveling Vortex and NF, well to each his own.
I for one always opt for things that have a proven track record.
Best regards Chris
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Well curtisj provided details of his troubleshooting....not the original poster, but ok. Curtis, you mentioned that the POI was shifting over 2mils. That is not a small number. If you have put another scope onto the same set of rings, shot the same course of fire without that problem......then you seem to have isolated the cause. Send the darned scope in to NF and let us know how it goes.
OP, still waiting for what you've done to troubleshoot the problem. A great first step is to put a different scope that you are confident works into the exact same set of rings and see if you still have a problem. If the problem goes away, then pack your scope up and send it to NF. This is not rocket science.
Well curtisj provided details of his troubleshooting....not the original poster, but ok. Curtis, you mentioned that the POI was shifting over 2mils. That is not a small number. If you have put another scope onto the same set of rings, shot the same course of fire without that problem......then you seem to have isolated the cause. Send the darned scope in to NF and let us know how it goes.
OP, still waiting for what you've done to troubleshoot the problem. A great first step is to put a different scope that you are confident works into the exact same set of rings and see if you still have a problem. If the problem goes away, then pack your scope up and send it to NF. This is not rocket science.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Swedish guy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hunter223</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Vortex Razor 5-20x50 quite an upgrade in glass IMO,zero stop mechanism, more elevation, NICE reticle, FFP, MIL/MIL, and better click "feel" with similar NF-like click spacing. Don't get me wrong I really like Nightforce, I've owned several, I just LOVE the Razor more. I know NF will stand behind their product and make it right, their CS is top notch. If you like the NF product, I might recommend the F1 as it's MIL/MIL IIRC and I know it's FFP but, it's 3.5-15x50 that might not be enough magnification for ya. </div></div>
That being a joke right? leveling Vortex and NF, well to each his own.
I for one always opt for things that have a proven track record.
Best regards Chris </div></div>
No it's not being a joke, whatever that means. So, how many Razor's have you shot with, or even SEEN for that matter? That's kinda what I thought. Yeah, the glass IS better than the NXS line, it tracks just as well, functions just as well, takes abusive treatment really well. Zero stop system IS superior, Razor DOES have more elevation. I don't have a problem at all with NF, I just have found the Razor to be a better scope. Lowlight beat the hell outta his and it kept on ticking just like it should. So, until you've had one and used it as I have against STIFF competion eg; NF NXS 3.5-15x50 and 5.5-22x50 and S&B PMII 5-25x56, or even seen one, realize you do not know what you are talking about. Ignorance is an ugly thing. Now, if you have a LEGIT problem with the Razor lets hear it, if not, don't speculate about that which you have no idea.
Best regards, Hunter
Back to the original issue, I think you should just send it in and have it given the full check-up. NF make TOP-NOTCH stuff and they do take care of their customers.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Swedish guy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hunter223</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Vortex Razor 5-20x50 quite an upgrade in glass IMO,zero stop mechanism, more elevation, NICE reticle, FFP, MIL/MIL, and better click "feel" with similar NF-like click spacing. Don't get me wrong I really like Nightforce, I've owned several, I just LOVE the Razor more. I know NF will stand behind their product and make it right, their CS is top notch. If you like the NF product, I might recommend the F1 as it's MIL/MIL IIRC and I know it's FFP but, it's 3.5-15x50 that might not be enough magnification for ya. </div></div>
That being a joke right? leveling Vortex and NF, well to each his own.
I for one always opt for things that have a proven track record.
Best regards Chris </div></div>
No it's not being a joke, whatever that means. So, how many Razor's have you shot with, or even SEEN for that matter? That's kinda what I thought. Yeah, the glass IS better than the NXS line, it tracks just as well, functions just as well, takes abusive treatment really well. Zero stop system IS superior, Razor DOES have more elevation. I don't have a problem at all with NF, I just have found the Razor to be a better scope. Lowlight beat the hell outta his and it kept on ticking just like it should. So, until you've had one and used it as I have against STIFF competion eg; NF NXS 3.5-15x50 and 5.5-22x50 and S&B PMII 5-25x56, or even seen one, realize you do not know what you are talking about. Ignorance is an ugly thing. Now, if you have a LEGIT problem with the Razor lets hear it, if not, don't speculate about that which you have no idea.
Best regards, Hunter
Back to the original issue, I think you should just send it in and have it given the full check-up. NF make TOP-NOTCH stuff and they do take care of their customers.
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Guys,
Having started this thread, I have to agree with some of the posts that this has gotten a little out of hand. As I initially noted, no company is perfect, no matter how good the reputation. You will have things go wrong in time. What matters is how the company handles it. I have been approached by Nightforce directly to handle the problem. I don't think you generally see that type of customer service out there and I personally am impressed by it. Also, when I have spoken with Nightforce in the past, long before I had any concerns about my scope, they have been most helpful. They are a great company in my opinion and I will continue to purchase their scopes. I just wanted to see what else was out there. Not to take business away from anyone, but just more to educate myself among the high end scopes. What I have concluded is that dollar for dollar and option for option, Nightforce gets my money hands down.
Guys,
Having started this thread, I have to agree with some of the posts that this has gotten a little out of hand. As I initially noted, no company is perfect, no matter how good the reputation. You will have things go wrong in time. What matters is how the company handles it. I have been approached by Nightforce directly to handle the problem. I don't think you generally see that type of customer service out there and I personally am impressed by it. Also, when I have spoken with Nightforce in the past, long before I had any concerns about my scope, they have been most helpful. They are a great company in my opinion and I will continue to purchase their scopes. I just wanted to see what else was out there. Not to take business away from anyone, but just more to educate myself among the high end scopes. What I have concluded is that dollar for dollar and option for option, Nightforce gets my money hands down.
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SIGHTRONS are cheaper and to my experience a better value. I never liked the NXS too much, the clicks where.... sort of mushy. I shot the European FT/R with a loaned SIGHTRON and it is an awesome scope for the price. The adjustments feel very good and positive and the reticle is perfect for FT/R, with the lines the perfect width and the dot the perfect size (FOR ME)to buck the wind around the V-bull at 28-32X.
And it weights much less than the NXS, that means MORE barrel.
My 0,02C
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SIGHTRONS are cheaper and to my experience a better value. I never liked the NXS too much, the clicks where.... sort of mushy. I shot the European FT/R with a loaned SIGHTRON and it is an awesome scope for the price. The adjustments feel very good and positive and the reticle is perfect for FT/R, with the lines the perfect width and the dot the perfect size (FOR ME)to buck the wind around the V-bull at 28-32X.
And it weights much less than the NXS, that means MORE barrel.
My 0,02C
ED
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This would be the first time I have ever heard anyone complain about NXS click feel.
This would be the first time I have ever heard anyone complain about NXS click feel.
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wow NF nothing more than a Japanese scope. Thats kind of humorus, yes some of their stuff is made in Japan, but Sandrat so is the computer that you type on, ever had a computer shit the bed? Like 7mmRm said, anything can and will break, but saying Bushnell is better than NF is out there, but then again you cant fix stupid. The F1 is made in America if thats any consolation, To the OP if the rings dont fix your problem, id box it up and send it to NF for a checkup. I think that if Ken told you to bed the stock, im sure something was lost in translation with the problem, Ken was nothing but helpful for an hour plus on the phone with me. Ive owned 2 NFs,1 USO, and 1 PH, but i always go back to the NFs if thats worth anything
wow NF nothing more than a Japanese scope. Thats kind of humorus, yes some of their stuff is made in Japan, but Sandrat so is the computer that you type on, ever had a computer shit the bed? Like 7mmRm said, anything can and will break, but saying Bushnell is better than NF is out there, but then again you cant fix stupid. The F1 is made in America if thats any consolation, To the OP if the rings dont fix your problem, id box it up and send it to NF for a checkup. I think that if Ken told you to bed the stock, im sure something was lost in translation with the problem, Ken was nothing but helpful for an hour plus on the phone with me. Ive owned 2 NFs,1 USO, and 1 PH, but i always go back to the NFs if thats worth anything
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Gadget guys have an absolute love for Nightforce.
Gadget guys have an absolute love for Nightforce.
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man, who opened a can of crazy this week?
must be all the turkey...
man, who opened a can of crazy this week?
must be all the turkey...
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as far as I am concerned saying that something made in Japan is sub par is just pure ignorance. I have owned S&B, USO, NF, Leupold, Viper, etc, all scope have been great. When you get to a certain price point it really comes down to personal preference and there is not a damn thing wrong with Japanese products. I am running a few of the Viper Razor scope right now and they are on the same level if not better than the S&B I have owned. Also before anyone wants to start dogging the Razors you really need to try them.
as far as I am concerned saying that something made in Japan is sub par is just pure ignorance. I have owned S&B, USO, NF, Leupold, Viper, etc, all scope have been great. When you get to a certain price point it really comes down to personal preference and there is not a damn thing wrong with Japanese products. I am running a few of the Viper Razor scope right now and they are on the same level if not better than the S&B I have owned. Also before anyone wants to start dogging the Razors you really need to try them.
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Everything made in Japan is crap. Lexus, Infiniti, Sony, Nikon...
An interesting statistic I came across some time ago is that Mercedes spends more time in final inspection fixing production line errors than Lexus does building the entire car - and the Lexus has fewer problems after delivery.
Yeah, just more Japanese crap.
Everything made in Japan is crap. Lexus, Infiniti, Sony, Nikon...
An interesting statistic I came across some time ago is that Mercedes spends more time in final inspection fixing production line errors than Lexus does building the entire car - and the Lexus has fewer problems after delivery.
Yeah, just more Japanese crap.
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ok that makes plenty of sense. 2400 dollar assuming its an F1 but lets be done with the problem and spend excess of 3K. Makes sense, remember Felipe everything breaks no matter how good it is
ok that makes plenty of sense. 2400 dollar assuming its an F1 but lets be done with the problem and spend excess of 3K. Makes sense, remember Felipe everything breaks no matter how good it is
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Wow just reading this thread is like watching WWIII slowly happen...
Wow just reading this thread is like watching WWIII slowly happen...
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lindy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Everything made in Japan is crap. Lexus, Infiniti, Sony, Nikon...
An interesting statistic I came across some time ago is that Mercedes spends more time in final inspection fixing production line errors than Lexus does building the entire car - and the Lexus has fewer problems after delivery.
Yeah, just more Japanese crap.
</div></div>
Which is why I drive in a Infinity
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lindy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Everything made in Japan is crap. Lexus, Infiniti, Sony, Nikon...
An interesting statistic I came across some time ago is that Mercedes spends more time in final inspection fixing production line errors than Lexus does building the entire car - and the Lexus has fewer problems after delivery.
Yeah, just more Japanese crap.
</div></div>
Which is why I drive in a Infinity
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Actually no Nightforce are actually made in Japan. Some, SFP 3.5-15x and up, use parts in enough of the scope to have to have the Made in Japan sticker but they are assembled and QC'd in Idaho. The FFP F1 and the compact line are made in the US and assembled in Idaho.
Actually no Nightforce are actually made in Japan. Some, SFP 3.5-15x and up, use parts in enough of the scope to have to have the Made in Japan sticker but they are assembled and QC'd in Idaho. The FFP F1 and the compact line are made in the US and assembled in Idaho.
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This is like watching the start of WW3. I will have to be careful the question I ask to start a thread in the future.
This is like watching the start of WW3. I will have to be careful the question I ask to start a thread in the future.
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Japanese parts or made in Japan, either way they build quality that you can depend on. Much of this because it is part of their culture coupled with the manufacturing principles that the US showed them after WWII when they were rebuilding the country.
Japanese parts or made in Japan, either way they build quality that you can depend on. Much of this because it is part of their culture coupled with the manufacturing principles that the US showed them after WWII when they were rebuilding the country.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Savage110</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just get a Hensolt and be done with all of this crap.....
Thats my opinion.
-Felipe </div></div>
Happy Thanksgiving, sounds like someone's been washing down their turkey with lots of koolaid.
Hunter223-how many rounds does the Vortex have on it these days?
AB-how true, imagine if we sent Deming to Detroit instead....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Savage110</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just get a Hensolt and be done with all of this crap.....
Thats my opinion.
-Felipe </div></div>
Happy Thanksgiving, sounds like someone's been washing down their turkey with lots of koolaid.
Hunter223-how many rounds does the Vortex have on it these days?
AB-how true, imagine if we sent Deming to Detroit instead....
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Guys, this is why Japanese optics are on par with everything else
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._Edwards_Deming
Guys, this is why Japanese optics are on par with everything else
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._Edwards_Deming
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