I also vote the swept handle idea, that would rock!
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This thread is killing me,I'm waiting on a build with this action from Alamo any week now.
Different action but a swept handle is a swept handle to my knowledge. Currently the Axiom and Vector don't come with a swept handle option. Though i'm hoping Chase incorporates them. I like the straight handle for a hunting gun but personally speaking i think the swept is a must for a competition oriented gun. I know if he fields a swept handle i'll have my 223 trainer assuming i can get that bolt face.
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Will, I actually don't mind the handle as it is at all. I think it naturally falls perfectly into the fatty part of my finger where I like to run the bolt and upon dropping the bolt my hand simply drops down into the firing position rather than forward and down. Minor details...
It's certainly personal preference. My friend in particular who has the Axiom hates my swept handle on my Tempest. I'm just the opposite. The Axiom's motion is almost identical to the Sako 85 i have, though i'm sure much easier to manipulate. It would be uncomfortable to compared to the swept bolt handle. I think if enough wanted it, solely on the basis to duplicate an AI/Tempest feel for a better price and the ability to put it in a stock it would sell well. Like i said i'd certainly want one if i could use it for a 223 trainer.
Anyone know how the bolt lift effort on these actions compare to say a Bighorn or Defiance?
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Is there any way of getting one of these actions in Australia?
Loving everything I am hearing about the Axiom but my concern is the coned bolt nose not being compatible with Remage barrels. Anyone know if they will work with savage barrels? What user-changeable barrel options are avalible with this action?
Man im liking what i see. Problem is i cant choose between the Vector or the Axiom. I like the flexibility and price the Axiom offers, but the Vector looks nicer imo and having an integrated rail and lug is convenient. I just read MPA is making WTO Switchlug setup rifles outa the Axiom.
Does the Vector come only with those straight flutes? And the knurling on the knob seems only present in the Vector pics too.
Does the Vector come only with those straight flutes? And the knurling on the knob seems only present in the Vector pics too.
MV 3056. 6.4 to a grand yesterday. Ran .315 G7 and it was spot on at 1000. Not sure on DA, I ran with what the Kestrel said, but it had to be 2200ish. Different conditions and shooting direction/location today, but was shooting to 1000 and it was 6.6 on the Kestrel and that was perfect as well.
Okay i think ive settled on the Vector. I like the looks of it. When anyone hears when the DLC coated Vectors will be released, do post!
Sorry to bring up a thread from 2 weeks ago, but i just noticed something in the video posted on this page of the thread (first vid on page 3).
When shooting the 105 VLDs and 110 SMKs, it seems that the brass ejection is a little erratic. Sometimes it goes to the 3 oclock, then 5 oclock, then at one point a shell strikes the shooter's knuckles as he pulls the bolt back, and then one shell gets ejected under the hand.
Is this a normal thing? The actions I have throw brass pretty consistantly, I feel like this could be a potential annoyance. Thoughts/reasoning?
When shooting the 105 VLDs and 110 SMKs, it seems that the brass ejection is a little erratic. Sometimes it goes to the 3 oclock, then 5 oclock, then at one point a shell strikes the shooter's knuckles as he pulls the bolt back, and then one shell gets ejected under the hand.
Is this a normal thing? The actions I have throw brass pretty consistantly, I feel like this could be a potential annoyance. Thoughts/reasoning?
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I have both axiom and tl3. TL3 is lightyear lighter than axiom, and quite smoother too. But my axiom action is not DLC coated just the bolt. When I look at them together, I prefer TL3 over axiom, esp on barrel availability as I smith my own rifles. I think axiom has unnecessary strong main spring, can someone validate the power with Curtis?
The Bighorn is a fine action and everyone has their preference. I'm curious why you prefer the Bighorn over the Axiom in regards to smithing rifles? I build my own too and I thought the Axiom tenon was as easy to make as anything out there.
I dont have my own lathe, so prefit or short chambered barrels are my preferred option. It sucks that Axiom cant use remage or short chambered barrels, while TL3 has so many options, barrel wise. Another thing I dont like, is how short the engaged threaded tenon is on Axiom.
Of course it's personal preference...I bet Axiom will work just great after built, I'm just debating if I should go down the path with my current reservations, even with the action in hand.
Please explain to me why a prefit cannot be used with the axiom.
I should say no one is making prefit barrels for Axiom yet.
whats the actual weight difference? Doesn't seem like it could be much. I've felt both actions and even with just bolt dlc it is by far the smoothest action out there. Also the 60 deg vs 90 is a huge advantage of the Curtis not to mention $300+ cheaper. IMO you can't buy a better action for the price.
I dont know how to measure the weight, but if I may, I'd say Axiom is twice as heavy as TL3, in my case at least. It's heavy and snap to an extent that I'm worried about my sight view during match. I've decided to sell my Axiom action - you and others can find it in exchange area. Try it out, take it away from me pls!
https://www.snipershide.com/shootin...6540385-wts-curtis-axiom-action-308-bolt-face
I dont know how to measure the weight, but if I may, I'd say Axiom is twice as heavy as TL3, in my case at least. It's heavy and snap to an extent that I'm worried about my sight view during match. I've decided to sell my Axiom action - you and others can find it in exchange area. Try it out, take it away from me pls!
https://www.snipershide.com/shootin...6540385-wts-curtis-axiom-action-308-bolt-face
Gonna go out on a limb and say the Curtis doesn't weigh 4 pounds.(tl3 is 32oz) Just weigh it, surely you have a scale. The mausingfield weighs 36 oz and that's about the heaviest one around. I understand if you just prefer one over the other no big deal,but what do you mean you are worried about sight view?
Lol...I've ran it in a match and did quite well, no sight picture problems. There were a lot of custom actions represented in that match and guys anxious to see the Axiom and I didn't have one guy handle the action that wasn't impressed. Things feel much different when there is actually a barrel screwed on and scope and chassis... I can almost guarantee there isn't any action out there that's half the bolt lift of an Axiom, that would mean it would have to be about 4 lbs or less. If it was as heavy as you say, no way in hell I'd be running one. Furthermore, do you really think MPA, a company that has moved the precision rifle world forward by leaps and bounds with innovation over the past 2 years, would be using the Axiom as a base for their builds if the action wasn't match/race ready. I get that you like what you have already and there is nothing wrong with sticking with what you know and love at all, but sometimes that can lead to predisposed notions and bias that bleed over in a table top review that consists of cycling the action a dozen times.
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Although it wasn't clear, I took it to mean he was talking about bolt lift. If you see the video earlier on bolt lift, you can see how much the rifle is disturbed when operating the bolt with 1 finger. Mine weighs 36 oz. with a trigger on it.
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Just saying, both actions came to me around same time and felt under same conditions, bare action nothing attached. Would not build it up just to feel it, normal sense is just validating before we go all in right. I don't have pre build knowledge or experience with either, so I feel confident that my evaluation is fair. In the end, this needs data measurement to tell but I am not going to bother. Great conversation though, thanks for the time and effort.
Cageli~
Sorry to hear that you were not happy with the bolt lift on our Axiom. Your action was in the first batch of pre-order actions to go out the door. We have made small refinements since that run of actions were shipped.
if you would like to return your action to me, I will pay for return shipping, and offer your choice of a complete refund, or an exchange for the latest model to include a complete DLC treated bolt. If you choose to have me send you a new action, and you are still not happy with it, I will refund your money.
I can be reached at:
[email protected]
717-805-0940
Sorry to hear that you were not happy with the bolt lift on our Axiom. Your action was in the first batch of pre-order actions to go out the door. We have made small refinements since that run of actions were shipped.
if you would like to return your action to me, I will pay for return shipping, and offer your choice of a complete refund, or an exchange for the latest model to include a complete DLC treated bolt. If you choose to have me send you a new action, and you are still not happy with it, I will refund your money.
I can be reached at:
[email protected]
717-805-0940
^^^ hard to beat that deal.
And this folks is the customer service we love! Seeing posts like this from Joel makes it very very easy to give Curtis Customs money. Knowing the back end customer service is outstanding speaks volumes to who these guys are. I have an axiom and the bolt lift in my match rifle is comparable to the lift of my Defiance. I too was worried about this aspect of the action. After having my axiom set up and ran in matches I can say the bolt lift is a non issue. What is an issue worth considering is how smooth it runs along with the ability to be ran quicker when needed. I'm a fan of my axiom and will be building several more rifles on this action. I'm 100% sold on it.
Joel - I will take your offer and get an upgrade. I love the design and concept, that's why I got it at the first place. I'm confident you guys know this well and will address it. Once I get it back, I'll update everyone about how great your action and your service are.
Again thanks for standing behind your product.
The Vector will be out shortly.. we're in the process of redesigning the exterior so that we're not a look alike to the others .
Is there a diagram with dimensions of the Axiom that can be provided? I'd like to know if the WTO Switchlug can be installed.
https://westtexordnance.com/switchlug-instructions/
https://westtexordnance.com/switchlug-instructions/
Has anybody else ran into the issue of the Axiom's tenon being .050 longer than that of a 700 footprint? I got a nasty surprise this morning when I was trying to finish up a rifle, and found out that with the recoil lug seated against the MPA chassis, the action screws wouldn't line up with the chassis holes. (Tried it in my XLR Element also.) Apparently a revision has been made and the solution for the older ones is to put a shim behind the lug.
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Had 3 from the first batch and did not have that issue
Actions from the Rev B run were .050" longer than a standard Remington. We have made corrections to that. You have two options if running in an MPA or like chassis:
Bed the recoil lug area, or return it to me for a replacement action, Rev C.
I believe Chase offered $200 to your customer for the re-work of the barrel should you decide to return it for the latest Rev C.
From Cageli:
"Not sure how many of you know, I had to send back my action back to Curtis custom for a replacement. In less than 10 days, I got the new action in hand. These are the people who really stand behind their products and take pride in making things right, at least for me.
The new action is significantly better than my previous one and now I dig the bolt lift. It is a lot lighter and I would rate it similar to my Deviant, being a 60 degree this is an achievement. While I did not use a very scientific method, I'm very familiar with my actions as I cycle the shit out of them while I'm idle...
I love dealing with companies that take care of their customers. I'll add Curtis Custom to my little trusted list. Given the price of Axiom action and the features, I consider it as superb value and would recommend to my friends.
Note: I'm not affiliated with Curtis Custom in any way - I was actually a hater but now converted.
Now I just need to build the heck out of it..."
Thank you for the update Cageli!
You may want to double check them. If they went into any type of chassis with no other mods, I'd be willing to bet the action screws are taking part of the recoil forces instead of the lug.
Joel,
Any chance the Axiom will have a 223 bolt face available in the future? With the Switchlug, it looks like the perfect action to have multiple bolts and barrels (with a short throw to boot!)
KS ,
I've had this happen with other actions in MPAs ,mccrees ,rock solids . The only chassis I know of is a KRG they have slotted receiver holes to allow for these issues . You should always check any part fitment you hang on a firearm since there is not really a standard for custom parts.
I have used shims to solve this issue behind recoil lugs and rear tang area due to deflection . The correct way to remedy this is to bed the chassis for a stress free mating surface .
The guys at Curtis Customs are doing a hell of a job With this venture giving us shooters another opinion to choose from with a great price point . I'm a convert to the Curtis due to there Customer service and awareness ,with the willingness to improve and refine there product .
-GW-
