Isn't it great!?
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Yes they are.
I know a lot of people whose lives went down the shitter because of this stuff and don't know whether this is the right course of action. Many families had their lives ruined because of one person's addiction. Are the people providing the safe space providing the smack they are shooting into their veins? Nope... So who is? Are people getting hurt because of it...what do you think?
I know a lot of people whose lives went down the shitter because of this stuff and don't know whether this is the right course of action. Many families had their lives ruined because of one person's addiction. Are the people providing the safe space providing the smack they are shooting into their veins? Nope... So who is? Are people getting hurt because of it...what do you think?
Yep same here, had friends fie of aids before aids was a gay thing in the 80s, dam needle, but I got to say the war on drugs has done too much damage to our country and has cost us a lot of freedoms while militarizing our once rational police departments throughout our fare land. I don't want any more laws at all, hell we need to get rid of drinking limits and just arrest mfrs for reckless driving. In a short period Darwin will sort things out.
I agree with you on the war on drugs.
It was a freaking waste of money, did nothing and caused a huge overcrowding issue in prisons. Space that could have been better used. However, perpetuating it causes issues as well. I grew up in a shit hole city outside of Boston. I still have close friends that live there. Parks and playgrounds are full of needles that can stick an unsuspecting child who is there just to play ball.
I don't have the answer but something in my gut tells me that perpetuating the problem and waiting for Darwin to take its course isn't the answer
It was a freaking waste of money, did nothing and caused a huge overcrowding issue in prisons. Space that could have been better used. However, perpetuating it causes issues as well. I grew up in a shit hole city outside of Boston. I still have close friends that live there. Parks and playgrounds are full of needles that can stick an unsuspecting child who is there just to play ball.
I don't have the answer but something in my gut tells me that perpetuating the problem and waiting for Darwin to take its course isn't the answer
if you want to get high......fine, i dont give a fuck........what ever you choose to do to your body is your choice.......you wanna fuck it up, thats your choice.......
however, its exactly that.......your choice, and you need to accept the consequences.......if you OD or you get aids, tough shit.
i dont see why tax payers should have to pay for a "safe space" for you to shoot up.
enabling someone to make poor choices is not going to solve the problem......its only going to encourage others to follow suit.
honestly, i kind of hope the govt hops in and taints all the street drugs with cyanide......let this epidemic cure its self over night.
however, its exactly that.......your choice, and you need to accept the consequences.......if you OD or you get aids, tough shit.
i dont see why tax payers should have to pay for a "safe space" for you to shoot up.
enabling someone to make poor choices is not going to solve the problem......its only going to encourage others to follow suit.
honestly, i kind of hope the govt hops in and taints all the street drugs with cyanide......let this epidemic cure its self over night.
Legalize it all.
Require 100 percent responsibility/liability for your actions and eliminate all public funding of treatment for peoples life choices.
In one short hard, painful year Darwin will have straightened it all out.
The current trend of legalization by half steps wont work because the latest effort is nothing more than a scam to raise money for the local general fund.
Get in the deep end or dont even bother getting in the pool.
Require 100 percent responsibility/liability for your actions and eliminate all public funding of treatment for peoples life choices.
In one short hard, painful year Darwin will have straightened it all out.
The current trend of legalization by half steps wont work because the latest effort is nothing more than a scam to raise money for the local general fund.
Get in the deep end or dont even bother getting in the pool.
As a Libertarian I'm all for legalizing it all and allowing personal responsibility to take over. The war on drugs has failed long ago. Haven't these idiots learned from prohibition and how that failed? Nowadays we got kids who are getting high on anything from bath salts to detergent pods. If there's a way to get high, they WILL find it. Hell, anyone remember as a kid and teen sucking the N2O out of the Redi-Whip cans? 
As a Libertarian I'm all for legalizing it all and allowing personal responsibility to take over. The war on drugs has failed long ago. Haven't these idiots learned from prohibition and how that failed? Nowadays we got kids who are getting high on anything from bath salts to detergent pods. If there's a way to get high, they WILL find it. Hell, anyone remember as a kid and teen sucking the N2O out of the Redi-Whip cans?
Dependency is the source of government power.
There is no way they will allow "responsibility".
Hearing what is going on is it so far fetched to consider that the opioid epidemic was not so much an error but an intention?
Unfortunately, this won't work. What happens to the victims? No one ever killed someone for the money to buy a bag of weed. Lot's have been killed for the money to get your next fix of vitamin C, crack, horse, etc.
Do you put the perpetrators in jail when they can't pay the reparations ordered...war on drugs proved that won't work. Not enough prison space which leads to time off for good behavior for a lot of hardened criminals. Maybe @macameron is right. Help them find their way out of their miserable existence and save the money and effort.
The government has been wanting to make the future generations as stupid as possible for quite sometime now. Not to mention all the money that's to be made keeping people doped up on Rx meds rather than actually fixing someone's ailment. And lets not forget about the dumbing down in our schools. Have you noticed that the smartest people on this planet don't come from America?
Perhaps when the stoner takes a life in the course of making his poor decisions we resort to the age old "Eye for an eye".
The costs of not imprisoning someone because they no longer exist are not that high.
In state that have made MJ recreational its getting bad.
Im sure in your daily commute you must have been traveling and even at 65 miles per hour though you dont smoke cigarettes you get the wiff of tobacco in your car because the guy three cars ahead just blew his smoke out the window.
Its not rare now to be on the highway and smell a whif of MJ. The stuff reeks its so potent.
and when spoken to about this the attitude is "Its just pot, it doesnt effect my driving, studies agree with me".
Really?
Fun times ahead, lets just go full retard now and not drag out the pain and sorrow.
I'm not advocating pot. I don't use drugs. Smoked a lot of weed when I was young. Now I stick with liquor in a responsible way.....well sometimes.
Alcohol is a much worse drug than weed any day of the week.
I just hope all the Junkies likely Dem base members mostly. Bring their guns to the Shoot up Sites. They can shoot up and then shoot each other.
If these effers kept to themselves I would say let Darwin work. But the problem is they will rob and shoot you...so they can shoot and destroy themselves. Their vice is not is not victimless.
I just hope all the Junkies likely Dem base members mostly. Bring their guns to the Shoot up Sites. They can shoot up and then shoot each other.
If these effers kept to themselves I would say let Darwin work. But the problem is they will rob and shoot you...so they can shoot and destroy themselves. Their vice is not is not victimless.
The problem with letting Darwin do his job is the innocents that they take with them.
"hell we need to get rid of drinking limits and just arrest mfrs for reckless driving."
Really? I hope you don't have kids or grandkids that would pay with their lives for that cavalier attitude.
I've arrested folks with 6 or 7 DUI's.
had a poor family in our jurisdiction lose their infant and their other child was seriously injured when a POS on a meth bender plowed into them from behind while they were stopped for a school bus. Yeah, drugs don't hurt anybody.
https://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/impaired_driving/impaired-drv_factsheet.html
"hell we need to get rid of drinking limits and just arrest mfrs for reckless driving."
Really? I hope you don't have kids or grandkids that would pay with their lives for that cavalier attitude.
I've arrested folks with 6 or 7 DUI's.
had a poor family in our jurisdiction lose their infant and their other child was seriously injured when a POS on a meth bender plowed into them from behind while they were stopped for a school bus. Yeah, drugs don't hurt anybody.
https://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/impaired_driving/impaired-drv_factsheet.html
I don't like it, but apparently my views on this don't count.
That's neither here nor there. Right now, all sorts of dubious behaviors are being sanctioned and forced on society by extremists with agendas. But no matter how hard the extremes get pushed, the bill always comes due.
Society will pay the full price for these little 'experiments'. There's nothing new about this. Street justice has been a MF'er all along.
Greg
That's neither here nor there. Right now, all sorts of dubious behaviors are being sanctioned and forced on society by extremists with agendas. But no matter how hard the extremes get pushed, the bill always comes due.
Society will pay the full price for these little 'experiments'. There's nothing new about this. Street justice has been a MF'er all along.
Greg
I prefer personal freedom and a lack of .gov intervention. So, I'm all for it. I'd suggest you NOT try heroin so you won't need to utilize these places but if you do decide to...
On a side note, all this heroin addiction is a direct result of the opioid over prescription and use by doctors whom I assume have been motivated by pharmaceuticals to push, push, push.
I guess it wasn't the oil we were after.
On a side note, all this heroin addiction is a direct result of the opioid over prescription and use by doctors whom I assume have been motivated by pharmaceuticals to push, push, push.
I guess it wasn't the oil we were after.
As a Libertarian I'm all for legalizing it all and allowing personal responsibility to take over. The war on drugs has failed long ago. Haven't these idiots learned from prohibition and how that failed? Nowadays we got kids who are getting high on anything from bath salts to detergent pods. If there's a way to get high, they WILL find it. Hell, anyone remember as a kid and teen sucking the N2O out of the Redi-Whip cans?
As a libertarian, you are for decriminalizing not legalizing right? Some could say its the same thing. But at the federal level, drugs are not the responsibility . its a state issue. each state needs to make their own drug laws and enforce said laws. the DEA should be disbanded and the enforcement returned to the states where it belongs.
Easy there current and ex DEA guys, much respect for what you do/did, but your agency is unconstitutional. i have no doubt that this will never happen, but if it did you would be quickly snatched up by whatever state you wanted.
So youre for lack of govt intervention......but you supoort govt funded junkie safe spaces?
Agreed but except for Vermont the majorities have voted for this.
Its an example of why we have a Constitutional Republic not a Democracy.
Democratic rule by majority eventually results in anarchy.
This is that in action.
You missed the part where "I" stated that "I" "assumed". But the shear state that our entire country is in due to opiate addiction and the vast majority of that contributed to prescriptions, I'd reckon a guess <notice my words/ that it has a little something to do with it. And also considering the shear amount of money pharmaceuticals companies spend on lobbying the country over, it doesn't take much more than common sense to put the two together.
Not sure why you need me to "prove it" to you. Do you have skin in this game?
My bad. I didn't read the article and wasn't aware it was a .gov subsidized benefit. So no, I don't support tax payers support. I do support a "safe place" for homeless junkies to shoot up in.
Oh that's right, it's common sense that doctors and "big bad pharma" are guilty because you say so.
Why bother finding out the truth to a complex problem when a simpleton already has it all figured out.
Does anyone really think a jonesing junkie is going to wait till they get to their safe space to shoot up? These safe spaces will only become a place to hide like sanctuary city. But they will still leave those spaces to provide for crime to fund their habits? Or will the next step safe spaces for dealers too? And safe spaces for drug needing muggers and thieves.
They want a safe space then cage them in their safe space allow no drugs to get in and when they are done withdrawing send in a counselor. Sounds like prison except drugs are supposed to be easy to get in prison. Its like telling a child you can be bad if you stay in the yard. JMHO
How about we provide safe spaces for Citizens. You know like enforcing laws. Make the penalty so bad it becomes undesirable.
They want a safe space then cage them in their safe space allow no drugs to get in and when they are done withdrawing send in a counselor. Sounds like prison except drugs are supposed to be easy to get in prison. Its like telling a child you can be bad if you stay in the yard. JMHO
How about we provide safe spaces for Citizens. You know like enforcing laws. Make the penalty so bad it becomes undesirable.
Doesn't the fact that you (and I, and every cop I know) have arrested multiple repeat drunk drivers show that it isn't working?
If we weren't putting people in jail for having a bag of weed, we'd have more space for people who comitted real crimes that actually hurt people.
Further, isn't the reasonable suspicion for a DUI stop awfully similar to that for reckless driving?
As pointed out earlier, prohibition should have provided all the evidence ever needed about the foolishness of outlawing things instead of behaviors.
DUI laws and most laws are about revenue not fixing the problem. you should know that by now.
Agreed 100%
Unless there is an actual victim, there isn't a crime.
The same "logic" used to outlaw drugs is used for gun control....no one is immediately harmed by either but someone, somewhere, might be,.... someday.
I wasn't in Vietnam, as I was an infant/toddler at that time. But correct me if I'm wrong heroin was there too, no? During the '80s, many doctors 'freely prescribing' this stuff? And yes, I kinda have some personal experience on "prescriptions" and whatnot, after my many months of living in the hospitals. It was upon getting out that I learned the difference between "dependency and addiction". When I simply didn't refill my prescription (that I had been on for all those months 'inside'.... ) I learned right quick, AND THEN OVER THE NEXT 3 DAYS what the word "dependency" truly means.
But they weren't out there prescribing back in the 70's and 80's, were they?
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I work in healthcare for the last 20 yrs in one capacity or another. He is pretty much right on it that big pharma pushed it and many Drs participated because its easy work and hey, its medicine so its good.
There is a case, big pharma owner either charged or convicted of paying of a ton of MDs to push his Oxycontin he made. He will go down for it for sure.
These are people with so much money they think they can get by with anything. Like the Clintons......
I work in healthcare for the last 20 yrs in one capacity or another. He is pretty much right on it that big pharma pushed it and many Drs participated because its easy work and hey, its medicine so its good.
There is a case, big pharma owner either charged or convicted of paying of a ton of MDs to push his Oxycontin he made. He will go down for it for sure.
These are people with so much money they think they can get by with anything. Like the Clintons......
the other side of this equation is the fear of being sued because my dr wouldnt treat me. they would rather prescribe the drug unnecessarly in many cases where something much less powerrful like grunt candy (800mg motrin) would suffice but out of fear of defending a malpractice lawsuit from an ambulance chaser POS, they hand out Vicodin and oxy like its halloween every day. We need Tort reform among many other things in this country.
The difference between reckless driving and driving under the influence is the fact that when you are driving under the influence, you do not have full use of your faculties. Your vision is impaired, your reactions are impaired, your balance, which affects your ability to stay in a lane in impaired.
It is a public safety issue.
There are likely thousands of folks every day that make the choice not to drink and drive, not because of some altruistic reason, but because it is illegal and they don't want to go to jail.
maybe the real cure is to attach the death penalty to intoxicated driving.
Can't argue with the physiological effects of being drunk, but practically speaking, what's the difference?
There's an old saying, "Someone who can read, but doesn't, is no better off than soneone who can't".
A dtiver who isn't drunk, but doesn't use his faculties is no more or less dangerous than a drunk driver who has impaired faculties.
Not true.
While reckless is reckless, there is a far higher likelihood of an unimpaired driver either stopping the behavior or successfully recovering from a loss of control.
The number of dead per year as a result of impaired driving far exceeds that of reckless driving.
Kind of skeptical from the headline on.
Does the mention of their worshiping according to the old testament say something about their business or the journalist?
The Forward is a jewish publication, so I doubt they're anti-jewish, but I've been wrong before.
You're really salty today. Run out of pain pills?
Thanks for showing me who you are. I'll steer clear of your ire.
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