Been thinking about buying a UH1

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Looking at Class A diesel RV's, they run around 300k for a decent diesel pusher. Got to thinking man I miss my NOE Huey rides, so I am starting to look at buying a Huey and getting my license. Anyone here own one? What are annual costs? How long to get a license and trained.
 
I found a few on Aerotrader:

https://www.aerotrader.com/--Aircra...(Huey) 205/UH-1H|244880166&sort=featured:asc&

Don't get excited at the one listed for $75k, it doesn't have a data plate or records, which means that as far as the FAA is concerned it's not actually a helicopter. One of the honchos at the oil company I worked for bought a surplus Huey for like $1,000 or something ridiculous with a plan of having our aviation division get it airworthy and registered for corporate use. Once they gave him a rough starting estimate of a million bucks and a full year minimum, with no guarantee it would be flyable, it wasn't such a bargain.

An average guy can afford a decent private plane if he's willing to prioritize it and save for it. Once the spinny thing is on the top and not on the front, there are almost no affordable options for the average man. Replace a piston engine with a turbine, and you're into another order of magnitude for price of the bird and it's upkeep. The reason you see so many Robinsons in private hands is that they're about the only ship normal folks could hope to afford and operate.
 
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I want an RV -> I want a military chopper is a common transition.

LOL...squirrel

Helicopter license takes time and money. Must meet minimum time requirements. When I would flight instruct there is the minimum time to completion and actual. This depended on how much time a student could dedicate to training. If you could train 4-5 times a week then minimum, if its 1-2 then you spend a lot of time repeating since it is a perishable skill. Expect 15-20k. Once you have your license then its how much time your insurance company requires. Then you need to pay someone to fly with you until that time is met. Once you have your license expect 20k for the transition course and 10k for recurrent training.
 
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I was a maintenance test pilot when active duty. Getting your license will financially cripple you unless you are somewhat well-to-do. Upkeep on a rotary wing will assrape you....even something as relatively simple as a Huey. Fuel burn rate alone is roughly 70 gallons per hour if you DON'T do a lot of hovering/OGE maneuvering.
 
As others have noted, helicopters are hella expensive. All in, my licenses up to CFI cost me over $100K. Expect $20k-25k for a PPL based on national averages. Some people learn faster than others, so take wxpected hours and costs to completion with a grain if salt.

That having been said, I wouldn't change a thing. I learned as a career change, and while I'm still looking for my first gig (just finished late last year), it's been one of the most amazing things I've ever done. The road ahead is going to be a long one as I build hours, but the few who can fly a helicopter really are "The Few." If you can find a few guys to go in on it with you, or you can find a school to lease the heli to to offset your costs, then it's doable. But initial acquisition costs aside, maintenance is going to be a bear as well.

But dang, they're fun to fly! :D
 
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I found a few on Aerotrader:

https://www.aerotrader.com/--Aircraft----Bell-Iroquois-(Huey)-205--UH-1H-Aircraft-For-Sale/search-results?make=Bell|2236522&model=Iroquois (Huey) 205/UH-1H|244880166&sort=featured:asc&

Don't get excited at the one listed for $75k, it doesn't have a data plate or records, which means that as far as the FAA is concerned it's not actually a helicopter. One of the honchos at the oil company I worked for bought a surplus Huey for like $1,000 or something ridiculous with a plan of having our aviation division get it airworthy and registered for corporate use. Once they gave him a rough starting estimate of a million bucks and a full year minimum, with no guarantee it would be flyable, it wasn't such a bargain.

An average guy can afford a decent private plane if he's willing to prioritize it and save for it. Once the spinny thing is on the top and not on the front, there are almost no affordable options for the average man. Replace a piston engine with a turbine, and you're into another order of magnitude for price of the bird and it's upkeep. The reason you see so many Robinsons in private hands is that they're about the only ship normal folks could hope to afford and operate.

LISTEN to this man, he knows that of which he speaks.

If I were in your shoes I'd learn to fly in this order:
- Private pilot
- Instrument rating
- Buy a used Beech Bonanza, get REAL good flying it in all conditions
- Sell it
- Buy a Pilatus PC-12
- Take as much instruction as it takes to satisfy yourself and the insurance company.
- Travel like a king

Being a former Beech Aircraft manufacturing engineer, I am more than partial to the King Airs but they are double the maintenance cost, double the operating cost, and almost double the insurance of a Pilatus. Plus the PC-12 is a fucking NICE aircraft on its own merits
 
Allow me to add that an R44 or R66 are your only sensible options. The R22 is too small to really do anything with aside from training, joy rides, mustering, or a few other very select tasks. Anything bigger than a 44/66 and you're into some SERIOUS money. Even the R66 is a rich man's toy. The R44 is feasible if you can go in with a few guys, but it's still no plane in terms of hourly operating costs. When I did the Robbie safety course in the summer of '16, they quoted about $230/hr once you factored in insurance, fuel, maintenance, and hangar expenses, and that was with something like 50/month minimum flight time (don't quote me on thos numbers). It's a real commitment!
 
I am looking at retirement in a year or three, I get one chance to do it big, most I can do and still leave the wife good enough forever will be a enough depending on how this new tax treats me. That might leave me with a Tank, I will only want an M1 or a fixed wing aircraft. Thanks for the info gents.
 
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Don't forget about a yacht as you're looking for an expensive means of conveyance to own and operate. And they're still way cheaper to maintain than a turbine helicopter.

We had one mechanic that kept 10 fixed wings running. Each of our helicopters had its own mechanic and a full time crew at the hangar to do big jobs on them, on top of a full time Records person and a full time Inspections guy. That was for relatively small and "inexpensive" ships like 206B models and Hughes/MD 500's and 530's. I remember the day they bought their first 407, which was a whole new animal and a lot of the old mechanics didn't even want to go near it.
 
I see a tail dragger in your future.....


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Just buy a big boat. It will cure your wallet of being able to afford a whirlybird.

If you do get one, it better be a HUGES 500 painted like the one in Magnum PI. Horrible flower shirts with large gold chain necklaces and a hairy chest are a must.
 
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LISTEN to this man, he knows that of which he speaks.

If I were in your shoes I'd learn to fly in this order:
- Private pilot
- Instrument rating
- Buy a used Beech Bonanza, get REAL good flying it in all conditions
- Sell it
- Buy a Pilatus PC-12
- Take as much instruction as it takes to satisfy yourself and the insurance company.
- Travel like a king

Being a former Beech Aircraft manufacturing engineer, I am more than partial to the King Airs but they are double the maintenance cost, double the operating cost, and almost double the insurance of a Pilatus. Plus the PC-12 is a fucking NICE aircraft on its own merits

PC12 would make a wonderful personal aircraft for the reasons listed above.
 
Friend of ours who is a big pecan farmer and Viet Nam grunt bought and totally restored a LOACH. He flies over our house and surrounding orchards every weekend. Was a crop duster after the military and logged lots of flight time in fixed wing before getting interested in rotary birds. Started with a R22 and eventually decided to the Loach. He was helped with restoring the bird with the help of several VN pilots and mechanics who live in the area.

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Friend of ours who is a big pecan farmer and Viet Nam grunt bought and totally restored a LOACH. He flies over our house and surrounding orchards every weekend. Was a crop duster after the military and logged lots of flight time in fixed wing before getting interested in rotary birds. Started with a R22 and eventually decided to the Loach. He was helped with restoring the bird with the help of several VN pilots and mechanics who live in the area.

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That is badass as hell
 
If you are really wanting to get the rotorcraft rating, you can go to a school. dedicate your time and do it all at once. Thats what I did a few years back. I went to a part 135 school I think was what it was called. theoretically you could get you pvt pilot rating in 35 hours. It took me 50 hours. I flew Robinsons. I had some cash after working in Ecuador for a couple years and I really wanted to do it. I couldn't pass the flight physical for the Army so I never realized my dream. I spent an obscene amount of money getting my license. It only got worse. I was addicted to a drug that only millionaires could afford. I spent the money to get checked out in a Jet Ranger at the time they were about 500 bucks an hour. I tried flying fixed wing for a while which is way more affordable. Just wasn't my thing. R22's are a fun ship. I'm not current anymore but if I lived somewhere where I could rent one I would think about getting current again.
 
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LISTEN to this man, he knows that of which he speaks.

If I were in your shoes I'd learn to fly in this order:
- Private pilot
- Instrument rating
- Buy a used Beech Bonanza, get REAL good flying it in all conditions
- Sell it
- Buy a Pilatus PC-12
- Take as much instruction as it takes to satisfy yourself and the insurance company.
- Travel like a king

Being a former Beech Aircraft manufacturing engineer, I am more than partial to the King Airs but they are double the maintenance cost, double the operating cost, and almost double the insurance of a Pilatus. Plus the PC-12 is a fucking NICE aircraft on its own merits

I used to fly a PC-12. I can attest to the fact they are awesome. I will always be partial to the king air F90 though.
 
I've always wanted something like a BRDM to drive to the store in.

They're actually pretty obtainable, its just the parts are always a crapshoot and at a minimum you need to be a diesel mechanic or your budget just went up exponentially.
 
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Looking at Class A diesel RV's, they run around 300k for a decent diesel pusher. Got to thinking man I miss my NOE Huey rides, so I am starting to look at buying a Huey and getting my license. Anyone here own one? What are annual costs? How long to get a license and trained.

The problem with helicopters in general is that all the rotor drive parts and blades are time limited. On a conventional aircraft everything is "on condition". The manufacturer may recommend a 1600 hr. TBO on the engine, but as long as it passes annual inspection you don't have to change it. A Bell 47/H13 (think MASH) has an HO-435 (horizontally opposed 435 cu. in. engine) Which has to go for overhaul at TBO. Even non-commercial. Helo's are EXPENSIVE to fly.

The side issue is getting licensed. Part of the license is insurance, again, helo's cost more.

Personally I would look at an Aeronca/Bellanca/Champ model 7. Great aircraft to fly (better than any Piper, IMO) and much less expensive to maintain.

All aircraft will require at least an annual. And, if you fly it a bunch, you might consider getting a 50 or 100 hr. done in between.
 
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that's why I want an M1, pretty low maintenance, besides I can poke holes in a BRDM with 30 cal. I need chobham armor so I don't get dents in the walmart parking lot.

I've always wanted something like a BRDM to drive to the store in.

They're actually pretty obtainable, its just the parts are always a crapshoot and at a minimum you need to be a diesel mechanic or your budget just went up exponentially.
 
He bought it with 100~ hrs in 1980 for like $60,000 I think. Now it would be worth like $250-300k.... damn lawyers killed RG little Cessnas. Lol

No. Dumbasses who shouldn’t be flying complex airplanes killed the RG’s. Why do you think Bonanzas are called dr killers. People get an instrument rating and they think they are invincible.
 
Friend of ours who is a big pecan farmer and Viet Nam grunt bought and totally restored a LOACH. He flies over our house and surrounding orchards every weekend. Was a crop duster after the military and logged lots of flight time in fixed wing before getting interested in rotary birds. Started with a R22 and eventually decided to the Loach. He was helped with restoring the bird with the help of several VN pilots and mechanics who live in the area.

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Pound for pound Hughes 500's are the most kickass helicopter ever built. But, there ain't many pounds to them (1500-ish) This is configured the way the gunships were w/the 160th when I was in. The troop ships were -D's.
 
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No. Dumbasses who shouldn’t be flying complex airplanes killed the RG’s. Why do you think Bonanzas are called dr killers. People get an instrument rating and they think they are invincible.
Not far from the truth. My uncle died in his 185 RG because he thought he was invincible in a thunder storm. Tried to get IFR but was claustrophobic and couldn’t keep the hood on for the test.....
 
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No. Dumbasses who shouldn’t be flying complex airplanes killed the RG’s. Why do you think Bonanzas are called dr killers. People get an instrument rating and they think they are invincible.
Also, all the dumbass dentists doing wheels up landings because they forgot they were in an RG didn’t help Cessna out much either...... lmao
 
Not far from the truth. My uncle died in his 185 RG because he thought he was invincible in a thunder storm. Tried to get IFR but was claustrophobic and couldn’t keep the hood on for the test.....

Did you try regular "foggles?" I suppose their physical presence is less noticable, but they could still give the feeling of being boxed in.

Out of all of my ratings, I think I enjoyed IFR the most, oddly enough. I had a great instructor, and 95% of my time was logged at night, so we got to focus on what mattered most and not have to dick around with other crap. Plus the stack was usually way less busy, so that saved me money by cutting down our hold times and increasing the number of approaches we got per flight. Base level was 3500', and I think we only hit 6500' once or twice. Usually we'd make our call at 10nm, and by the time we were two minutes out, it was our turn to enter the base of the stack, so we'd get right in and make our first approach. Good memories!
 
Did you try regular "foggles?" I suppose their physical presence is less noticable, but they could still give the feeling of being boxed in.

Out of all of my ratings, I think I enjoyed IFR the most, oddly enough. I had a great instructor, and 95% of my time was logged at night, so we got to focus on what mattered most and not have to dick around with other crap. Plus the stack was usually way less empty, so that saved me money by cutting down our hold times and increasing the number of approaches we got per flight. Base level was 3500', and I think we only hit 6500' once or twice. Usually we'd make our call at 10nm, and by the time we were two minutes out, it was our turn to enter the base of the stack, so we'd get right in and make our first approach. Good memories!

I learned to fly in HI. Worst place to be foggled all the time. I didn’t get to see anything. Well that’s not exactly true either, spent my fair share of time in the Orion out of Barbers Point as well
 
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Also, all the dumbass dentists doing wheels up landings because they forgot they were in an RG didn’t help Cessna out much either...... lmao

The big problem is every one of the dumb sumbitches or their widows came back and sued the aircraft company for THEIR mistake.

TacticalDillhole,

I will sort of disagree with the Beech V-tails. There's an AD on them reducing their max speed and recommended cruise speed. They had a bad tendency to come apart when VNE is exceeded. And, because of less drag, that is easy to do. They are forked tail doctor killers as noted, as well as Mooney's being backward tail doctor killers. Too much speed for people focused on where they are going instead of where they are at.
 
My dad was IFR. His first planned flight he took off in minimums. Flew 4 hours in fog and landed in minimums. Didn’t see the runway until he almost called the tower for a redirect. He had an excellent teacher, he was confident but still nervous. Lol
 
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The big problem is every one of the dumb sumbitches or their widows came back and sued the aircraft company for THEIR mistake.

TacticalDillhole,

I will sort of disagree with the Beech V-tails. There's an AD on them reducing their max speed and recommended cruise speed. They had a bad tendency to come apart when VNE is exceeded. And, because of less drag, that is easy to do. They are forked tail doctor killers as noted, as well as Mooney's being backward tail doctor killers. Too much speed for people focused on where they are going instead of where they are at.

Eeeexactly... insurance and lawyers killed the little RGs
 
I'm in Phoenix, so there isn't usually much to see down south anyway, haha. Plus flying at night removed most of the desire to peek outside anyway, though it did reinforce trusting my instruments pretty well. Since the windscreen in a Robbie goes down to your feet, I could see outside a little no matter what. In the dark, you wind up with a LOT of opportunities to encounter false horizons when you fly past roads, etc. You learn real quick that what your eyes are telling you is pure crap, and to trust those instruments, haha.
 
My dad was IFR. His first planned flight he took off in minimums. Flew 4 hours in fog and landed in minimums. Didn’t see the runway until he almost called the tower for a redirect. He had an excellent teacher, he was confident but still nervous. Lol

That's the big downside to IFR in helis. Most aren't approved for any actual IFR, so you can only log (and experience) hood time. Plank drivers can get actual time, which is invaluable experience.
 
The big problem is every one of the dumb sumbitches or their widows came back and sued the aircraft company for THEIR mistake.

TacticalDillhole,

I will sort of disagree with the Beech V-tails. There's an AD on them reducing their max speed and recommended cruise speed. They had a bad tendency to come apart when VNE is exceeded. And, because of less drag, that is easy to do. They are forked tail doctor killers as noted, as well as Mooney's being backward tail doctor killers. Too much speed for people focused on where they are going instead of where they are at.

It’s all true. And just think, now we have these same idiots flying around in VLJ’s like the Honda jet.
 
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