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AX vs AXMC?

deersniper

deersniper

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    #1
    Couple questions
    Can you shoot factory 6.5CM with a large firing pin?
    Are all post 14s sfp?
    Can you buy a MC in 308 or are they 300wm or 338 and then you have to buy the 308 conversion kit?
    Does a MC in 308 have a longer bolt throw over a AX in 308?
    Any dealers cutting deals below MAP on them?

    Thanks
     
    #2
    When you are ready to make your purchase you can send a email request for the dealers best price. It has always seemed easier to me to get a better total discount when purchasing a quality optic along with a top tier rifle. If you also need a set of binoculars or a spotter it can also be a good time to tell them that your are interested in their best price on that item if it is purchased at the same time as the rifle and scope.

    The thing about my method is you have to be ready to make the deal. If the dealer shoots you a good number and you sit on it for a month then email again he is going to have you classified as a drewler and will not work as hard to get your business.
     
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    #3
    deersniper said:
    Couple questions
    Can you shoot factory 6.5CM with a large firing pin?
    Are all post 14s sfp?
    Can you buy a MC in 308 or are they 300wm or 338 and then you have to buy the 308 conversion kit?
    Does a MC in 308 have a longer bolt throw over a AX in 308?
    Any dealers cutting deals below MAP on them?

    Thanks
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    1. Yes, I've shot Hornady, Federal, and Prime in my LFP AXMC without piercing a single primer. Also ran a 6.5 creedmoor barrel on a 2012 AX (gen 1) and a 2014 AX which both had large pins and never pierced a primer with factory ammo or my loads shooting a mix of H4350, RL17, and H4831. That's 3 large pin rifles now with 6.5 creed and have not pierced a primer yet.

    2. All AXMC's are LFP, the early AX's (14 and 15 I believe) were LFP but all the recent SA stuff is all SFP. Not to say some dealers might not have some old stock LFP's left over but they should be advertised that way.

    3. No, you have to buy a 300WM, 300NM, or 338LM and then buy the 308 barrel, bolt, mag adaptor, and magazines.

    4. Yes and no. The bolt still rides all the way back in the LA with the 308 bolt but the magazine is placed forward in the same location as the SA rifles. There's some overtravel of the bolt which you don't have to pull back I suppose but it's good training to follow all the way through and not short stroke it. I don't notice the longer bolt throw at all, makes no difference.

    5. Call Jason at Euro Optic.
     
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    I have the multi-caliber .308 which means it is short action but quick change barrel. It cannot run any long action calibers, just essentially .30 cal (.308, .260REM, 6.5Creed, etc.) It has the .308 bolt, throw, etc. The AXMC .308 bolt is what you would consider long action, similar to the 300WM and .338LM bolt. I've never seen the AXMC sold with in .308, just 300WM and .338LM but you could probably have it special ordered. I sent you a PM.
     
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    redneckbmxer24 said:
    Yes and no. The bolt still rides all the way back in the LA with the 308 bolt but the magazine is placed forward in the same location as the SA rifles. There's some overtravel of the bolt which you don't have to pull back I suppose but it's good training to follow all the way through and not short stroke it. I don't notice the longer bolt throw at all, makes no difference.
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    I have built several custom rifles in long and short actions, and the builders have seemed terrified ("This is a bad idea!") to use a long action for a short action cartridge, like it just wouldn't work for some reason. I always figured they knew more than me so I never pushed it, but in my head I always figured it would be just as you say, and there would be a little more throw at the back of the bolt that you probably wouldn't even notice...

    Is there something unusual or special about the AI long action, or have I just been getting hustled?

    Does anyone know if that AI magazine converter will work on other long actions that take AI mags?
     
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    Fig said:
    I have built several custom rifles in long and short actions, and the builders have seemed terrified ("This is a bad idea!") to use a long action for a short action cartridge, like it just wouldn't work for some reason. I always figured they knew more than me so I never pushed it, but in my head I always figured it would be just as you say, and there would be a little more throw at the back of the bolt that you probably wouldn't even notice...

    Is there something unusual or special about the AI long action, or have I just been getting hustled?

    Does anyone know if that AI magazine converter will work on other long actions that take AI mags?
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    The reason that the AXMC works with short action rounds is because it uses the adaptor which uses short action AX mags and also places them forward in the gun towards the feed ramps. This is why they work correctly.

    No you can't use the mag adaptor in other chassis, but you can use the short action mags if you get the AI AX or AT chassis. But you're not getting that chassis for a long action and it wouldn't be able to use the long action mags either. The AXMC mags for the long action rounds are proprietary to just the AXMC as they're very wide because they're double stack.

    Outside of a purpose built multi caliber rifle like the AXMC, you're better off selecting the correct action length for the chambering.
     
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    #9
    Thanks for the info and PMs.
    Torn on if I should buy one or not because I will probably still use my DT because of how handy it is but I still want one lol. Probably will stick with the straight AX
    image.jpg
     
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    deersniper said:
    Thanks for the info and PMs.
    Torn on if I should buy one or not because I will probably still use my DT because of how handy it is but I still want one lol. Probably will stick with the straight AXView attachment 6891191
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    I wanted one pretty bad and ended up buying a sako trg folder instead. I wanted the AXMC and a 243 conversion but at almost 9k I couldn't justify it. I like my Desert tech and thought this would finish off my collection lol.
     
    #11
    my MC can do 308 1/3 moa group with FGM and 338lm 1/2 moa factory ammo / 1/3 moa with hand load.

    a bit pricey to start, but in the long run, it will save you safe space and $$
     
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    deersniper said:
    Thanks for the info and PMs.
    Torn on if I should buy one or not because I will probably still use my DT because of how handy it is but I still want one lol. Probably will stick with the straight AXView attachment 6891191
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    Currently out shooting my AXMC with the 6.5 barrel testing ammo again. So far nothing it doesn't like. This round is without the magneto speed since I already have chrono data for all of this ammo. Sage green is the sexiest color.

    y4MoOF8.jpg
     
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    #20
    If you don't need the quick barrel change capability & are fine with a quick bit of vice, block & torque wrench work when it comes time to change a barrel, you can get the pre-2014 AX models for pretty good deals (usually in the sub $5k range), in either long action or short action.
    They are excellent choices.

    I'm still partial to the original AW and AWM models myself due to the simplicity & clean lines if you don't need miles of rail.
     
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    W54/XM-388 said:
    If you don't need the quick barrel change capability & are fine with a quick bit of vice, block & torque wrench work when it comes time to change a barrel, you can get the pre-2014 AX models for pretty good deals (usually in the sub $5k range), in either long action or short action.
    They are excellent choices.

    I'm still partial to the original AW and AWM models myself due to the simplicity & clean lines if you don't need miles of rail.
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    I wanted a 300 win mag aw but never could find one when I had the money. I like the older models too
     
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    W54/XM-388 said:
    If you don't need the quick barrel change capability & are fine with a quick bit of vice, block & torque wrench work when it comes time to change a barrel, you can get the pre-2014 AX models for pretty good deals (usually in the sub $5k range), in either long action or short action.
    They are excellent choices.

    I'm still partial to the original AW and AWM models myself due to the simplicity & clean lines if you don't need miles of rail.
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    Speaking of barrel changes on the pre '14 AX's...... What is the torque spec on the barrel to action fit? Is it super important to use a torque wrench?

    Thanks,

    Todd
     
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    Bradu said:
    I wanted a 300 win mag aw but never could find one when I had the money. I like the older models too
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    The AWM series in .300WM is pretty rare these days, Probably nobody that has one ever wants to sell it, so you rarely if ever see them up for sale. You used to be able to order them just like the .338LM ones, but that was 10+ years ago.
     
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    winniethepooh said:
    I picked up the other one from them this Tuesday
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    They said they started with 3 total. All identical. Wish it was green. May have to break out the krylon.
    Wonder if demo was just fingering it or if they removed. and replaced the barrel all day.
    Now I need to send the barrel to get the correct threads. Wonder who is best fastest and cheapest these days.
     
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