Which is likely to be more accurate Bergara LRP or Tikka Tac A1 in 6.5?
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Really? I thought they'd easily be 1/2 moa all day. Do you reload? It seems bergara may have an edge with their barrel and floating bolt head
My LRP came with a test target with 3 shots in an approximately 3/8" group. I personally am not that good, Im averaging more like 3/4" but Im still working on getting better on firing position and fundamentals. The rifle is capable though.
My Tikka T3x in MPA chassis was a constant 1/2-3/4 MOA gun even with greater than 1500 rounds through the barrel. For what it is worth I think the Tikka action is smoother and bolt throw is not as much as the Bergara
My experience with the Bergara's is limited to the three that I know a gunshop had to send back for having buggered crowns. Never seen a Tikka sent back.
I was in the same boat, I went with the Tikka, it's weights in at 15lbs unloaded with a bipod, but it shoots. Can anyone tell me what the Bergara weights? Bet it's less.
I was talking about factory ammo (Hornady 140 Gr ELDM). My LRP came with a target that was 3/8 MOA give or take, but it was only 3 shots. Have I shot 5 shot sub 1/2 MOA groups w/both? sure. Was this the norm? no in my experience.
I'm sure there are better shots out there w/different experiences, that was just my experience.
I'm sure there are better shots out there w/different experiences, that was just my experience.
By the way, again in my opinion, the Bergara Premium action (not talking about the B14 Action) is smother than the Tikka T3 action
Thanks all you guys! I'm shooting out to 1000. I have a Tikka ctr in 223 with a lxr chassis but only going out to 600 yards with that. It shoots 1/2 all day with many groups less than 1/2. But stepping up to 6.5 I thought maybe the bergara had an edge to the Tikka. Seems like I have more tikka recommendations and I find alot more tikka accuracy reviews than Bergara. Bergara is a few hundred extra also
Oh I see. Well that's very good with factory ammo. I'm sure you could get 1/2 moa all day with hand loads
My LRP with a 4.5-27 Razor, and atlas bipod is about 14.5 lbs if I remember correctly.
That was how I felt when I compared the two side by side. I was looking into a B14 at first, and I liked the Tikka with MPA chassis better. THen compared the LRP with the premier action to the Tikka/MPA and felt the Bergara was a bit nicer and bought it.
I did really like that MPA chassis though, I like the XLR element just fine too.
This will more than likely end up as a dick measuring contest. The tikka, the bergara, or the rpr for that matter, will all likley have the same chance of being a shooter. No matter how smooth the bolt feels on a new one, 1000 rounds or a little action work will make them "feel" smooth. I think it comes down to triggers, chassis/ stock, and magazine setup.
I just ran a match this past Sunday, and I can tell you, the Ruger's don't appear to smooth out that much. This was a major hindrance to some, when trying to build a stable position off a prop, but having to break that position to cram that next round into the chamber on the RPR's (and a couple Savages for that matter). Some of it I think is just the nature of the action design, and some of it just crappy magazine fitment. But a smooth running bolt is an advantage in many situations.
You did (IMHO) hit on the key point though; it isn't single thing that makes a great rifle, but a combination of many good things and a lack of bad ones that makes a rifle truly great. The devil is in the details...
Needs to be accurate.
Needs to function all the time, every time.
Needs to fit you.
How you get to these three points is (generally) a compromise, unless you're will to spend a whole lot more.
I've shot them side by side many times. They're both fine shooters.... especially for the price. Pick the one that appeals to you the most and get to shooting.
Won't go wrong with either. My friends have both and I've shot both. Can't say one was better than the other. The RPR is not in the same league, though it will do the job.
Tikka quality is spectacular... but I question their customer service on the small chance you need warranty work. The few cases I've heard of people that needed help from them did not sound encouraging.
No clue about Bergara CS. Ruger CS was good for a little thing I needed once. My RPR was reliable and accurate in 6.5
Tikka quality is spectacular... but I question their customer service on the small chance you need warranty work. The few cases I've heard of people that needed help from them did not sound encouraging.
No clue about Bergara CS. Ruger CS was good for a little thing I needed once. My RPR was reliable and accurate in 6.5
The one rpr i have experience with, i took a dremel and polishing compound to the bolt and raceway. it now is as smooth as anything i have shot. I personally have had no issue feeding rounds. I do believe that is entirley because i polished the bolt.
+ what marine said.
Buy one, if it does not fit you, sling it and get another. These guns hold their value pretty well.
+ what marine said.
Buy one, if it does not fit you, sling it and get another. These guns hold their value pretty well.
I shoot a Tikka CTR in a manners. Stock barreled action though. I have confidence in saying it is for sure half moa rifle. With majority of groups below. If I could figure out how to post pics I’d show a 5 shot group that measured 0.3 moa that I shot this weekend.
No experience with the Bergara, but I have had a Tikka T3 Lite. So with that bit of experience I'd go with the A1.
Just for the record, I needed Ruger help with a MKIII 22 pistol that I owned a few years ago. The bolt pin was incredibly tight and I had scuffed up the gun trying to knock it out. It was a special edition "Rio Olympics" pistol, so looks did matter. Ruger took the pistol, lightly sanded the pin to make it fight tight but not impossibly tight, and sanded out the marks on the pistol to where you couldn't see there had ever been anything. Paid for shipping both ways. I was a huge fan. Still own my 10/22 and an AR-556 from Ruger. They're always my first choice except for bolt guns, where Tikka always gets the nod for me.
I don't think anyone would disagree that most of the accuracy of a rifle is in the barrel and chamber and that neither the Tikka nor Bergara Premier actions hold back the accuracy of a barrel. I don't think anyone would disagree that while the stock barrels on both the Tikka and Bergara (especially the stainless) are great, you can buy an even greater probability of better accuracy with the very high end cut barrels like Bartlein, Krieger, Hawk Hill, Rock Creek etc. With that in mind:
1.) Buy any Tikka T3x with a .308 bolt face for around $500 (can get for less used, can sell barrel and stock to recoup some $$).
2.) Buy KRG Bravo Stock for around $390.
3.) Buy PVA Pre-fit Cut Rock Creek for $550 in desired length.
Combine the above, end up with the nicest action short of a full custom, and a barrel that is at least as good as any other top tier barrel. For ~$1450 max, I don't think you can buy more accuracy for the money.
1.) Buy any Tikka T3x with a .308 bolt face for around $500 (can get for less used, can sell barrel and stock to recoup some $$).
2.) Buy KRG Bravo Stock for around $390.
3.) Buy PVA Pre-fit Cut Rock Creek for $550 in desired length.
Combine the above, end up with the nicest action short of a full custom, and a barrel that is at least as good as any other top tier barrel. For ~$1450 max, I don't think you can buy more accuracy for the money.
3-shot group from my TAC A1 at 100 yards with bulk american gunner ammo. I can easily recommend the Tikka.
Met someone who was a big Bergara fan who was telling me all about it's great performance the first three time out and then he said "but then something in trigger broke and I'm still waiting on it to get fixed". Kinda takes away from saying how great it is when its broken.
Met someone who was a big Bergara fan who was telling me all about it's great performance the first three time out and then he said "but then something in trigger broke and I'm still waiting on it to get fixed". Kinda takes away from saying how great it is when its broken.
I have fairly extensive experience with both the Bergara and the Tikka, incidentally I also have the Howa HCR.
My shooting buddy bought the Bergara B14 HMR, it was a shooting mo fo, BUT he had a major problem with piercing primers on his custom loads which were near max load, but not even at max load. (Lapua Brass, H4350 41.2 grains under Berger 140 VLD's). These pierced primers broke a piece in his bolt TWICE. After the first time he dropped the load even more, and after it happened the second time he sold the rifle and bought a Tikka.
Bergara fixed it both times, but after the second they basically said "don't shoot any reloads in our rifles". He is an extremely accomplished reloaded and shooter, and I know his load was well within where is should have been pressure wise. It is definitely a problem with the firing pin, the Bergara Bolt and the small Lapua primers.
The Tikka shoots just as well as the Bergara if not better.
As a side note my Howa HCR shoots amazingly well also. All 3 rifles mentioned have produced 1/4 to 1/3 minute groups on multiple occasions.
I realize you are asking about the Bergara LPR. But from the pics the bolt looks like it could be the same. No reloads might be no problems, but if it were me I'd go with the Tikka, well me personally -- I'd go with the Howa -- lol.
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My shooting buddy bought the Bergara B14 HMR, it was a shooting mo fo, BUT he had a major problem with piercing primers on his custom loads which were near max load, but not even at max load. (Lapua Brass, H4350 41.2 grains under Berger 140 VLD's). These pierced primers broke a piece in his bolt TWICE. After the first time he dropped the load even more, and after it happened the second time he sold the rifle and bought a Tikka.
Bergara fixed it both times, but after the second they basically said "don't shoot any reloads in our rifles". He is an extremely accomplished reloaded and shooter, and I know his load was well within where is should have been pressure wise. It is definitely a problem with the firing pin, the Bergara Bolt and the small Lapua primers.
The Tikka shoots just as well as the Bergara if not better.
As a side note my Howa HCR shoots amazingly well also. All 3 rifles mentioned have produced 1/4 to 1/3 minute groups on multiple occasions.
I realize you are asking about the Bergara LPR. But from the pics the bolt looks like it could be the same. No reloads might be no problems, but if it were me I'd go with the Tikka, well me personally -- I'd go with the Howa -- lol.
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Yeah I'm thinking about the Seekins Havak HP pro now. It has a rock Creek barrel and custom action. That or the JH rifle. I just Don't want to wait till mid summer for the JH
Get one of the 900$ 6.5 creedmoor tikkas with the varmint barrel and put it in a KRG. That's what I did except it was 308, only thing I don't like is the 20" barrel. Shoots 3/4MOA, sometimes near a 1/2 so accuracy is good but velocity is a bit low. I really like a 24" on a target 308.
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