Rifle Scopes Nightforce Mil-R?

[SFree]

Looking to upgrade scope for an AIAT and direction is toward a Nightforce with the Mil-R reticle, reason is I trend to a reticle less cluttered. Yet, I enjoy a “tree” reticle as in the G2,etc...
Experience with the Mil-R and are wind holds guess work with no actual “dot”?
Honestly, I don’t understand why Nightforce hasn’t produced a tree type reticle other than an H59 or Tremor 3...

 

[Mordamer]

My favorite scope is a 4-16x42 F1 with a Mil-R. I have used it extensively. I dial elevation and hold wind. It has never been a problem for me at all. If you are going to need to do some shooting where you have to hold lots of elevation and wind at the same time then look for something else.

 

[hk dave]

I’ve grown fond of the mil-r after using it for a few years. I think it’s a pretty good reticle.

As for the why they haven’t done a tree reticle, I’m just speculating, but I wonder if it has to do with them owning Horus?

 

[longshot2000]

Mil-r and Mil-c are very clean and usable reticles. T-3 is also offered

 

[SLG]

I too find the Mil-R and Mil-C very easy to use. And yeah, Horus is owned by NF, so there's that. Nonetheless, you never know what they'll come up with next.

 

[SFree]

Good comments, gentlemen! Until I used the G2 all of my reticle “history” has been a basic mildot configuration and trying to dial elevation and “Kentucky windage”, so to speak. Not had any formal instruction, just country shooting out behind the barn.?

 

[SFree]

I was unaware that Nightforce owned the rights to Horus... explains a lot. I’ll say that the H59 would be fun to play with.

 

[SLG]

SFree,
Just to clarify your initial question, there is no guessing with the Mil-R or Mil-C when it comes to wind holds. The dots in a Horus are just calibrated in MPH, where with the MIL R an C reticles, you hold your wind in mils. If you need .6 wind, then you hold .6 on the horizontal stadia. No guessing, you just need to know the value of your reticle.

 

[SFree]

SLG,
Thanks for the clarification. I was trying to give an example of holding for elevation AND having to hold for wind without dialing for either. Essentially guessing for wind with no horizontal line for wind below the the main horizontal stadia.

 

[ZiaHunter]

Recently had NF change out the reticle in an ATACR F1 from Mil-R to Mil-C. The Mil-R is good but prefer the .2 mil subtension of the Mil-C. BTW the subtensions in the H59 are in mils and not MPH as stated above.

 

[SLG]

SLG,
Thanks for the clarification. I was trying to give an example of holding for elevation AND having to hold for wind without dialing for either. Essentially guessing for wind with no horizontal line for wind below the the main horizontal stadia.

Duh, sorry for stating the obvious! Yeah, with any non tree reticle, you would be holding in space if you are holding both elevation and wind.

Lowlight and I had a fairly lengthy discussion about this at a Sniper's Hide cup a few years ago. I was using an MLR2 reticle in the old F1 scope, which he likes as well. I was able to hold both elevation and wind to a certain extent (depends on target size and high/low wind call), and it worked pretty well. I learned to shoot on a Horus, but switched to more standard mil hash reticles about 10 years ago. He was saying that he saw the Horus as kind of training wheels, but once you understood how it worked, you could do much of the same with a standard mil hash reticle. I have found that to be true.

I have an H59 reticle in a work gun, and it is just not my favorite for most things. The Mil R is in a couple of my scopes and works great. I probably slightly prefer the Mil C these days though.

Its all what your brain likes to look at. Maybe a smart scope maker will put an attractive woman in the reticle. As long as you know her measurements, you are gtg

 

[SFree]

Mil-C is a more refined reticle for sure and I would consider that option too.
My shooting preference these days are more about energy on target than punching ittybitty groups, though refined reticles tend to help in that area as well.

 

[BLKWLFK9]

How much did that run you

Recently had NF change out the reticle in an ATACR F1 from Mil-R to Mil-C. The Mil-R is good but prefer the .2 mil subtension of the Mil-C. BTW the subtensions in the H59 are in mils and not MPH as stated above.

 

[ZiaHunter]

$600 plus shipping.

 

[Prebanpaul]

I have shot behind the MIL R and Mil C. I will tell you that on a light color backed target, Mil C is a great reticle. However if you try and shoot something solid black, IE black bear, black hog, black target, good luck ever seeing that dot. I actually prefer my Illuminated MSR reticle from Schmidt.

 

[M338]

I have shot behind the MIL R and Mil C. I will tell you that on a light color backed target, Mil C is a great reticle. However if you try and shoot something solid black, IE black bear, black hog, black target, good luck ever seeing that dot. I actually prefer my Illuminated MSR reticle from Schmidt.

I just purchased a 7-35 and had the choice between both the mil-r and mil-c,I went with the mil-r.I spent the last year behind a H59 and the dot just doesn’t work for me,much prefer a crosshair.

 

[Forrest84]

Had a MIL-R and while it was a good retical it just didn’t fit my needs since I really prefer a Christmas tree style retical. If I was just hunting with it then yeah it would be fine but I spend a lot more time doing matches and practicing for them than hunting