What do we think of this BP chassis?

[Precision Underground]

Legit or POS?

https://www.anarchyoutdoors.com/remington-700-bullpup-tactical-precision-chassis-system/

Edit: Looking for people who are knowledgeable on chassis systems and their opinions on whether or not this would be good to go accuracy and durability wise. I understand there is a long LOP and a different bolt operation.

 

[kl3309]

POS

 

[Precision Underground]

POS

Any specific reason?

 

[kl3309]

20" length of pull and you'd have to be a Gibbon to operate the bolt.
BUT, if you think it's cool, then get it. And remember to post pics!

 

[Precision Underground]

LOP says 12.75-14.75″ though it does look much longer than that in the pic. I’m not worried about that though. I have really long arms and a long neck. I have my aics chassis extended as far as I can while still being able to see through my scope and my arm is still bent too much to be really comfortable. As for the bolt I can’t see it being any harder to operate than any other bull pup. Or am I missing something?

I’m more concerned with quality/ accuracy.

 

[kl3309]

Sorry, but ain't no way that's only 14.75 inches (said your mom).
As for operation vs. other bullpups - what other bullpups? DTA? Their bolt handle is mounted at the front of the bolt giving you several more inches of work-space ahead of your shoulder.
BUT, if you think this is a good idea, then you should get one.

- Scaled the image on my monitor to where the legs of the Atlas are 1:1 (~6.5" from pivot to tip). LOP then measures just over 20 in.

 

[Precision Underground]

Sorry, but ain't no way that's only 14.75 inches (said your mom).
As for operation vs. other bullpups - what other bullpups? DTA? Their bolt handle is mounted at the front of the bolt giving you several more inches of work-space ahead of your shoulder.
BUT, if you think this is a good idea, then you should get one.

- Scaled the image on my monitor to where the legs of the Atlas are 1:1 (~6.5" from pivot to tip). LOP then measures just over 20 in.

I agree that is has to be longer than 14” but you can’t use a canted image for scale without sophisticated 3D software. Plus we have no idea how that pic was edited before it was put out. Either way I would be fine even with a 20” LOP as long as the scope could move back far enough which it looks like it would. This is not a bolt I am trying to run fast so I’m not concerned with that either. This will pretty much be a 1000 yd + only gun so I’m not trying to dump any mags.

Again, I’m much more concerned with quality/accuracy. Maybe I need to rephrase the question. Should I be worried about loss of accuracy or low quality with this chassis?

 

[PBWalsh]

Look at MK Machining, their chassis looks a bit more elegant and well thought out. Can’t seem to find it on their site though.

 

[kl3309]

Should I be worried about loss of accuracy or low quality with this chassis?

Yes.

 

[Precision Underground]

Look at MK Machining, their chassis looks a bit more elegant and well thought out. Can’t seem to find it on their site though.

Not a fan of the space gun look and I’m wanting one for a LA which I don’t think they make. What seems more we’ll thought out about them? Serious question.

 

[Precision Underground]

Yes.

Any explanation as to why? I’m honestly not trying to be disagreeable just looking for specifics.

 

[spife7980]

Edit: HOW do you get a single or double action bolt rifle?

 

[Precision Underground]

You do you get a single or double action bolt rifle?

After reading this I literally have no idea if I’m a moron, you are a moron, or if you are joking. Please advise lol.

 

[spife7980]

After reading this I literally have no idea if I’m a moron, you are a moron, or if you are joking. Please advise lol.

Edited for me being dumb: *how* do you

But I think they are trying to say their trigger bar will work with both one or two stage triggers and just messing up the terminology?

 

[Fig]

All three!

 

[Precision Underground]

Edited for me being dumb: *how* do you

But I think they are trying to say their trigger bar will work with both one or two stage triggers and just messing up the terminology?

Ahh I see that now. Yea they are taking about stages and said actions I guess. A double action bolt gun would take some serious engineering lol.

 

[Precision Underground]

All three!

There is possibly evidence to support that.

 

[SuperSneakySniper]

Yikes! With a stock/LOP like that, i cant imagine it being any fun to shoot again and again, especially vs. a regular setup.

 

[Diver160651]

I have no idea how huge a guy needs to be to max out at ACIS; but almost universally I see guys with extremely long LOPs because the sit with their hips turned when on a bench and shoot prone at an angle.

I VERY seldom see people sitting at a bench with their hips square like you’d want as a field shooter.. often it results in high check prices and long LOP as the bi-product

 

[hic28]

That stock screams “pile of shit”

 

[Basher]

Come on, OP! Take one for the team! Buy it and give us a review so then everyone knows going forward if it's crap or not. ?

 

[Precision Underground]

That stock screams “pile of shit”

Any specific reason? Is it the company or something else?

 

[Fig]

I’m not a fan of bull-pup in a bolt gun in the first place, but if you’re gona do it then look at the experts (DT). DT is NOT a standard action thrown into a BP stock. This looks like a rejected prototype from 25 years ago.

 

[Precision Underground]

I have no idea how huge a guy needs to be to max out at ACIS; but almost universally I see guys with extremely long LOPs because the sit with their hips turned when on a bench and shoot prone at an angle.

I VERY seldom see people sitting at a bench with their hips square like you’d want as a field shooter.. often it results in high check prices and long LOP as the bi-product

I pretty much only shoot prone and am square. Very long arms + Long neck equals long length of pull.

 

[Precision Underground]

Yikes! With a stock/LOP like that, i cant imagine it being any fun to shoot again and again, especially vs. a regular setup.

I’m not seeing what the big deal on LOP is. I can put my hand on the front of the mag on my aics and imagine that was the grip and it feels BETTER than the actual grip. That would be a 22” pull. As long as the scope can be mounted far enough back I see less angle in the strong side elbow as a plus. More leverage as well as getting the elbow out of the way when prone. Maybe my arms are that much longer than some peoples!

 

[Another Casual]

For me it just looks cheap. Not really into chassis or bullpups so I'm not the target audience. That being said, not sure what this would give me functionality-wise that I couldn't get from an XLR element and $600 in my pocket. I don't personally have a need for the full length top rail either. Having to deal with trigger linkage, bolt being really far back, the extra $600 etc really isn't worth it to me just to have a shorter gun. Cheaper to get a shorter barrel and spend the extra money learning how to shoot with reduced ballistics.

ETA:
$1,200 is serious money for a stock from a new to the block company. You can buy a magpul, KRG, MDT, Cadex, MPA, etc. It is not chump change. In that area you have a lot of serious competition. Not saying its not up to snuff, but at that price point people get to be picky. The one thing all of those don't give you is the bull-pup setup. What that is worth to you is 100% a personal preference item that you need to decide one.

If you're interested, go for it and post your thoughts. Tough to find anything on it because it seems pretty new/off the radar. When any of the big names launch something there is a lot of hype because its on everybody's radar. Doesn't mean those offerings are any better or worse than smaller companies, just means you hear about them more.

 

[hic28]

Any specific reason? Is it the company or something else?

As others have mentioned that is gonna be uncomfortable as hell due to LOP. I had a DTA and found the bolt throw to be uncomfortable for my long arms (I’m 6’2). With that long action and the bolt handle at the back of th bolt, you would have to go so far back into your armpit to cycle the action. Try laying prone and tickling your armpit, that shit is soooooo uncomfortable.

In my opinion, the design just looks cheap, like it wasn’t thought out very well. Looks like something a middle school kid would design in Paint on their lunch break after watching an airsoft game.

 

[Diver160651]

As others have mentioned that is gonna be uncomfortable as hell due to LOP. I had a DTA and found the bolt throw to be uncomfortable for my long arms (I’m 6’2). With that long action and the bolt handle at the back of th bolt, you would have to go so far back into your armpit to cycle the action. Try laying prone and tickling your armpit, that shit is soooooo uncomfortable.

In my opinion, the design just looks cheap, like it wasn’t thought out very well. Looks like something a middle school kid would design in Paint on their lunch break after watching an airsoft game.

Gotcha - I like the DTAs when other are shooting them, I just don't like them for me.. especially were lefties and rights might want to share as a backup.

 

[_Windrider_]

It’s hideous.

 

[Precision Underground]

Guys. I don't care about the LOP. I am fine with it. I know the bolt will not be as ergonomic as a regularly positioned bolt. I am good with that as this will be a 1000 yard plus gun only and I will not be pumping rounds down it quickly. DO WE THINK THIS CHASSIS WILL AFFECT ACCURACY OR HAVE CRAPPY FITMENT ISSUES????? I understand some people don't like bull pups. That is not what I am asking. I do not have $6K to spend on a Desert Tech or else I would not be asking about this chassis. Thinking it is ugly is fine but not helpful at all to me. I think a lot of guns are ugly but I would not call them POS just because they are ugly in my opinion. WILL IT SHOOT AS GOOD AS ANY OTHER CHASSIS AND HOLD UP AS GOOD AS ANY OTHER CHASSIS? PLEASE!

 

[Precision Underground]

For me it just looks cheap. Not really into chassis or bullpups so I'm not the target audience. That being said, not sure what this would give me functionality-wise that I couldn't get from an XLR element and $600 in my pocket. I don't personally have a need for the full length top rail eitehr. Having to deal with trigger linkage, bolt being really far back, the extra $600 etc really isn't worth it to me just to have a shorter gun. Cheaper to get a shorter barrel and spend the extra money learning how to shoot with reduced ballistics. $1,200 is serious money, just doesn't look like its worth that much.

But hey, if you're interested go for it and post about it when it shows up.

I shoot at sea level so I need as much length as I can get. And I hate 30" barrels hanging off of stocks probably as much as you don't like bull pups.

 

[hic28]

WILL IT SHOOT AS GOOD AS ANY OTHER CHASSIS AND HOLD UP AS GOOD AS ANY OTHER CHASSIS? PLEASE!

NO

 

[Spblademaker]

Shoot what you like. Like what you shoot. For me, it won’t work with my full semi-auto bolt action. So, I’m out.

 

[flyer]

The position of the bipod is going to make small movements at the butt translate to larger movements at the reticle.

Ignoring all other issues, it's going to be harder to aim.

A trigger linkage is never as good as putting your finger right on the trigger, that is going to make it harder to stay on target through the trigger pull.

It does look pretty ugly but I think it's their paint and Chinese pistol grip that do most of that.

You just have to wonder how good of a designer could they be if they did that to it?

 

[Precision Underground]

NO

Can you tell me how you know this? Bad company? Is it that hard to make a chassis that shoots straight? Seriously, if you are going to say no please tell me why or else it is just a random opinion of someone on the internet which is no help.

 

[PAYDIRT]

Could only get worse if was pink, and had a ultra short on it. And maybe a vertical grip that resembles a 2x4, that seems to be in style.

 

[Precision Underground]

The position of the bipod is going to make small movements at the butt translate to larger movements at the reticle.

Ignoring all other issues, it's going to be harder to aim.

A trigger linkage is never as good as putting your finger right on the trigger, that is going to make it harder to stay on target through the trigger pull.

It does look pretty ugly but I think it's their paint and Chinese pistol grip that do most of that.

You just have to wonder how good of a designer could they be if they did that to it?

Thanks, I'm not worried about the bipid position. I would def do some research on the trigger set up to make sure it was legit. As for the grip and paint, I seriously doubt the mechanical designer was used for the aesthetics as well. I agree, without the ugly AR grip and the cheesie decals it could look pretty good. Obviously traditionalist wont like it but that's not me.

 

[flyer]

You should be worried if you want to shoot 1,000 yards.

I think I shoot at an NRA target, it is 6' by 6', that is about 7 MOA and then there is the wind.

The margins are small so bipod position is something to care about.

Legit isn't the standard you want for the trigger on a 1,000 yard gun. If you are flinchy at all and the trigger release isn't super consistent you'll yank some shots.

Any mechanical designer worth a damn would protest loudly if someone in their company was making their work look like trash...

 

[lash]

This thread is a classic case of people throwing shit at something because they are not familiar with it or it isn't their bag. So far, I haven't seen a single answer to the OPs question that wasn't either mud slinging because of personal taste or just outright dogpile trolling.

The specs read like it is a solid stick. The ergonomics are largely driven by the design requirement to allow people to drop in a R700 or similar barreled action and end up with a bull pup bolt action. I have yet to see an answer, other than the perceived LOP argument, that had any merit against this product. And the LOP argument seems moot to the OP, if in fact it is as long as posters are making it out to be (doubtful).

His question was if anyone had any knowledge why this might not be made well enough to perform as advertised. I see no reason that it shouldn't, ergonomics being what they are. It it milled 6160 aluminum, not molded polymers like so many lower end stocks being used by people on this site to good effect. So, a solid and high quality stock material.

As long as the bedding blocks are built correctly, there's no reason that this should be any less accurate or durable than anything else, short of a DT or AICS.

You can continue throwing sticks and stones at it because it is different, because you don't like how it looks, because you dislike bill pups in general or just because it's fun to voice a strident opinion over the Internet about some thing you have no knowledge about. None of these are reasons that should dissuade the OP if he likes it and it fits his need/want.

 

[lash]

You should be worried if you want to shoot 1,000 yards.

I think I shoot at an NRA target, it is 6' by 6', that is about 7 MOA and then there is the wind.

The margins are small so bipod position is something to care about.

Legit isn't the standard you want for the trigger on a 1,000 yard gun. If you are flinchy at all and the trigger release isn't super consistent you'll yank some shots.

Any mechanical designer worth a damn would protest loudly if someone in their company was making their work look like trash...

We shoot a 6" round gong at 1000 with whatever we have and hit it quite well in wind or not. Why do you need a 6' square target?

Get off the guys case already. There are many high end rifle stocks that include monopods and nobody is trashing them. Besides, if you had a clue how to properly use a monopod, you wouldn't be saying this.

 

[kl3309]

This thread is a classic case of people throwing shit at something because they are not familiar with it or it isn't their bag. So far, I haven't seen a single answer to the OPs question that wasn't either mud slinging because of personal taste or just outright dogpile trolling.

Hold on there, OP asked for opinions (very broad ones in his first post) and got just that. When he asked for specifics, he was given that too.
What this thread is a classic case of is someone finding some thing on the internet, making up their mind that they want it, and then looking for others to vindicate their decision by heaping praise on whatever the thing is.
So, like I've said before, buy it and post a (regret-filled) pic.

 

[Precision Underground]

You should be worried if you want to shoot 1,000 yards.

I think I shoot at an NRA target, it is 6' by 6', that is about 7 MOA and then there is the wind.

The margins are small so bipod position is something to care about.

Legit isn't the standard you want for the trigger on a 1,000 yard gun. If you are flinchy at all and the trigger release isn't super consistent you'll yank some shots.

Any mechanical designer worth a damn would protest loudly if someone in their company was making their work look like trash...

The distance from the bipod to the action is about the same or more than a standard chassis. So that is not an issue. The trigger linkage better be good I agree. When I get the chance I shoot 20x40 steel at 1200 and it’s not like it is some mystical feat. Stay still and follow through and it’s not hard once you get it doped.

 

[Krazy_jim]

The bipod to action measurement is not what matters. The bipod to your shoulder is what makes the difference. Further away making adjustments more fine in a sense.

 

[Precision Underground]

Hold on there, OP asked for opinions (very broad ones in his first post) and got just that. When he asked for specifics, he was given that too.
What this thread is a classic case of is someone finding some thing on the internet, making up their mind that they want it, and then looking for others to vindicate their decision by heaping praise on whatever the thing is.
So, like I've said before, buy it and post a (regret-filled) pic.

Give me a break. I asked opinions assuming we as men would talk about man shit like if it would fucking shoot straight and if it would hold up if you had to bash an animal to death with it.

 

[Precision Underground]

The bipod to action measurement is not what matters. The bipod to your shoulder is what makes the difference. Further away making adjustments more fine in a sense.

I have no doubt that I will be able to hold the gun steady. And it’s a design which is meant to be shorter so this issue will be a trade off so as to carry a shorter rifle which is more important to me.

 

[flyer]

We shoot a 6" round gong at 1000 with whatever we have and hit it quite well in wind or not. Why do you need a 6' square target?

Get off the guys case already. There are many high end rifle stocks that include monopods and nobody is trashing them. Besides, if you had a clue how to properly use a monopod, you wouldn't be saying this.

A 6" group is the best I've done at 1,000 yards and it wasn't really aligned with my point of aim.

1,000 yards is hard even with an NRA target which is what I have at the range I use.

Why handicap yourself when you're trying to get started with long range shooting?

 

[SupressYourself]

Seriously, if you are going to say no please tell me why or else it is just a random opinion of someone on the internet which is no help.

I don't think many actually have one of these, so that's probably all you're going to get.
I own a Desert Tech. It's the cats ass. If I were you I'd just save some more pennies. They don't have to be 6 grand. There was one sold on here not long ago for like 3400.

 

[Precision Underground]

This thread is a classic case of people throwing shit at something because they are not familiar with it or it isn't their bag. So far, I haven't seen a single answer to the OPs question that wasn't either mud slinging because of personal taste or just outright dogpile trolling.

The specs read like it is a solid stick. The ergonomics are largely driven by the design requirement to allow people to drop in a R700 or similar barreled action and end up with a bull pup bolt action. I have yet to see an answer, other than the perceived LOP argument, that had any merit against this product. And the LOP argument seems moot to the OP, if in fact it is as long as posters are making it out to be (doubtful).

His question was if anyone had any knowledge why this might not be made well enough to perform as advertised. I see no reason that it shouldn't, ergonomics being what they are. It it milled 6160 aluminum, not molded polymers like so many lower end stocks being used by people on this site to good effect. So, a solid and high quality stock material.

As long as the bedding blocks are built correctly, there's no reason that this should be any less accurate or durable than anything else, short of a DT or AICS.

You can continue throwing sticks and stones at it because it is different, because you don't like how it looks, because you dislike bill pups in general or just because it's fun to voice a strident opinion over the Internet about some thing you have no knowledge about. None of these are reasons that should dissuade the OP if he likes it and it fits his need/want.

Thank you. What I was looking for was “ahh man you dont want anything from that company.” Or “shit I had something from them and it was good to go”. Serioulsy, some of the responses sound like my wife waking into the kitchen and spotting a roach lmao.

 

[kthomas]

You are awfully defensive of this hideous bull pup chassis.

Why are you so personally invested in this chassis? Did you design it? Are you associated with the company?

Something doesn't smell right...

 

[SupressYourself]

What I was looking for was “ahh man you dont want anything from that company.” Or “shit I had something from them and it was good to go”.

Probably should have led with that then. Just sayin... Otherwise we're left with a picture, a spec sheet, and wild speculation.

FWIW (about .02) I think it's an innovative idea and as long as it's executed well (especially the trigger linkage), it should work well for your stated intended use.
However, if it's just a range toy as you state, why does it matter if it short (pretty much the only advantage of a bull pup)? Seems like there's a lot of other options out there that are established and highly regarded.