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Dumb Handloading Question

wmfirefighter

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From all the research that I have read, I know that you don't use your hand loads hunting because of dust and debris that can cause the action to not work. Here comes the stupid question.....if I were to "reload" hunting ammo with the same velocities and bullet weight, would I be able to use the same rifle to both hunt and PRS effectively? Or is it that the zero would be lost between the two rounds due to the difference in C.O.A.L./Bullet Jump?

I know this is a rookie question, and if it is too basic for the forum, please delete it. But I am as green as they get when it comes to PRS and I am trying to absorb as much info as I can. Thanks in advance for your answers!

p.s. What literature out there is quality literature on PRS?
 
I've used only handloads for hunting for decades.
The difference between hunting loads and target loads is that most target bullets aren't designed with terminal performance in mind.

Hope this helps.
 
I've used only handloads for hunting for decades.
The difference between hunting loads and target loads is that most target bullets aren't designed with terminal performance in mind.

Hope this helps.
So am I mislead in thinking that the measurements of a handload should be so close that debris can interfere with action function (I do realize that every rifle is different and the bullet jump that is most accurate for each rifle is different, that info is taken into mind with said question)?
 
For the brass, your prep will be identical. Trim to the same length, bump back the same amount, etc. The rest of the specifics to include charge weight, COAL, CBTO, etc will be your major changes. Obviously, these will change significantly more if the two bullets are drastically different in weight or dimensions. I try to keep the two bullets as similar as possible, but that's just personal preference
 
So am I mislead in thinking that the measurements of a handload should be so close that debris can interfere with action function (I do realize that every rifle is different and the bullet jump that is most accurate for each rifle is different, that info is taken into mind with said question)?

Hand loading to the bleeding edge of Benchrest or F-class should not be copied for any kind field shooting, including matches... l
 
For the brass, your prep will be identical. Trim to the same length, bump back the same amount, etc. The rest of the specifics to include charge weight, COAL, CBTO, etc will be your major changes. Obviously, these will change significantly more if the two bullets are drastically different in weight or dimensions. I try to keep the two bullets as similar as possible, but that's just personal preference

edited to add - the "not true... entirely" is NOT an attempt to contradict @Lonestar1027 - I'm in agreement.

That’s not true... entirely, if you do what some of the top BR guys are doing.

You’ll never open your bolt with a bit of grit and rain. Jamming is another issue to deal with. Even our actions are not the same for most of us that shoot in field conditions, a single port, single loaded BAT matted with a neck turn chamber is a disaster

A hammer is often seen on the benchrest line.
 
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For the brass, your prep will be identical. Trim to the same length, bump back the same amount, etc. The rest of the specifics to include charge weight, COAL, CBTO, etc will be your major changes. Obviously, these will change significantly more if the two bullets are drastically different in weight or dimensions. I try to keep the two bullets as similar as possible, but that's just personal preference
That makes sense. I was looking at using Berger HP for both precision and hunting, so that I can keep things as consistent as possible.
 
Your understanding is wrong. I have not shot a factory load out of my centerfire rifles in 20 years. It is all handloads.

Unless you are an anal BR shooter not bumping shoulders and running extremely tight necks, there is no reason not to shoot handloads. My 300WM hunting rifle I bump the shoulders about every 3 firings of the case, otherwise neck size. No issues and it hunts in dirty environments.
 
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Diver, are you saying that you would prep the brass differently for a change in bullets? Just trying to follow

No, sorry.

Let me try to clarify. I consider all field loads, the same. Be it PRS, hunter style, desert ELR, most field matches like you shot up in Colville and hunting. So hand loads with the propper clearances and not hard Jamed with near zero NT are my choice for all types of field shooting, much like you said with bullet swaps for hunting.

I was separating “target” maybe a bit too far to bench shooting or F/class as an example. While Benchrest has really driven our understanding of reloading, not all the techniques work well for field shooting.

Does that make any sense at all?

As much as bark to Siri on this forum, I should be a much better comunicator.
 
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I do them exactly the same. I don’t jam my bullets and I don’t neck size only so I won’t have any issues.

The loads arent what’s tight. It’s the action tolerances of a bench gun vs a field action.
 
I do them exactly the same. I don’t jam my bullets and I don’t neck size only so I won’t have any issues.

The loads arent what’s tight. It’s the action tolerances of a bench gun vs a field action.

I apologize, I brought up F-class and Benchresh in response to "Target Loads" ~ I just wanted to be clear that not all target loads are field worthy. I should not have, I think it confused the topic.

Digging myself deeper into that hole:
At bigger BR events, you'll see some of the guys loading on the bench (or at home) with turned only neck chambers using - neck sizing only. Their dies are often custom reamed to decrease the tolerances of the load... closing the bolt can be tough.. It is both tight actions and low or no bump, with brass sized to a tight tolerance for some of the competitors. You'll occasionally also see guys using their hammer not only to size the necks and seat, but to open the bolt. Imaging a bit sand in that mix.

Some also let the lands finish the seating. If one uses the same low neck tension uses in soft seating, extraction of a live round can be a huge issue in the field by potentially leaving the bullet in the barrel and powered in the trigger.

Some of us over the years have tried to get fancy and copied 99% of the BR reloading stuff, running low NT BUT, with Jump.... Only to find our ES was nuts. Apparently the the primer and incomplete ignition started moving the bullets that otherwise would have been hard jammed allowing the combustion to be more consistent. Another issue, was the bullets in the magazines, moved in recoil on the magnums. The point is field guns should indeed be reloaded differently than what bleeding edge Benchrest or F-class guys might be doing.

As a side note:
Over the years I have gone nuts trying to find low SD/ES on BR reloading tools and techniques, Bench-source annealer, Wilson micrometer arbor dies, Abor presses with force indicators, 21st century, K&M, Sartorius Balances, ultrasonics, micrometer trimers.... the list goes on.. I've loaded and documented a ton of loads to try to isolate were the velocity spreads come from.. had a lot of failures, some some good stuff.. Most was driven by an ELR passion.

With all that stuff, I still made some really crappy ammo... And with just a Rock Chucker, also made some good stuff.

The only thing I found or real value, is that the largest impact on good or bad reloads, is the managing consistent neck tension between your rounds and knowing what it is. There are several strategies for this, Use an Arbor press with seating force indictor to sort loaded rounds, use new brass, sort brass, anneal, neck turn, low NT and Jam or just use more NT like most of us do for our field guns..

I am not in anyway suggesting that I am the end all be all, just that I spend way to many resources only to find that maybe in our field game (not BR) there is a clear line of diminishing returns. Maybe I can save someone for repeating the years, $ and time I've wasted.

The truth is, you don't need all that stuff to make very good ammo.. Heck today with my son shooting more, I am just shooting mostly factory Prime. I am in the "good enough" camp, it is me that misses.

Jim
 
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As others have mentioned, never heard it said that reloads can’t/shouldn’t be used for hunting. Certainly some loading practices could hurt field reliability as Driver noted. I’ll also add that many techniques used by the anal retentive loader are feel good measures. For any gun that’s not going to be in a BR level bag setup in a BR stock(not bunny ear bags and a pedestal, I mean a real setup!), nothing is to be gained from most of their practices. In the field there’s no difference between a gun that shoots in the .1’s and a half inch gun when it comes to cold bore hits.

I believe the theory that neck sizing is more accurate is largely a myth, as is loading close to the lands. I satisfied myself long ago that I lost no accuracy when I FL sized and jumped my bullets, quite the opposite actually. I also gained field reliability.
 
Just my 2¢ on the matter. I believe the OP is overgeneralizing handloads/reloads as benchrest, which means neck sized, tight fitting, and possibly jammed. I would have zero problem hunting with my target loads. I f/l size each time, seat well off the lands, and I am swimming in the chamber. If you are gonna take your hand loads out hunting and need some peace of mind, throw them all in a case gauge before you leave the house
 
Just my 2¢ on the matter. I believe the OP is overgeneralizing handloads/reloads as benchrest, which means neck sized, tight fitting, and possibly jammed. I would have zero problem hunting with my target loads. I f/l size each time, seat well off the lands, and I am swimming in the chamber. If you are gonna take your hand loads out hunting and need some peace of mind, throw them all in a case gauge before you leave the house
To a large point, you are correct. I did not get specific enough and by the time the thread spiraled out of control, Diver made some good points and I wasn't going to back track. I know there is a large difference in hand loads and reloads but I wasn't clear how I was intending the difference between BR shooting and field shooting. My bad lol

Thanks to all the replies!