Weirder things have happened but unless you had an interim TS (which I have had to do some work in a scif) then most likely you retained your TS. You just didn't have access or need anymore. I had a secret the whole time I was in the army and as a DOD civ ( with the exception of the ts interim) and never touched classified material or had a sipr account. When I left DOD to go to a non DOD but still defence agency they had to start over from scratch to get a L clearance. My secret only satisfied the NACI which was good for 10 years at the time. Now I'm in a whole different agency have have what's called a high risk publiat trust that is somewhere between a secret and a SSBI TS/SCI as far as the investigation goes. There is a huge world of clearances out there and every agency handles them differently. So long story short, you most likely retained the TS as long as you were active up to the reinvestigation limit which is 5 years for most TS's. Even then, everything is waiverable. Durring sequestration many agencies stopped doing reinvestigations because they are stupid expensive and they didn't have the budget. So you havd tens of thousands of people working with expired clearances doing the job. Anything is waiverable with the right signature.
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TBH I never paid attention to that shit. Someone else did the paperwork and when they said "OK Ensign, you're now alternate crypto custodian" I said OK.
I just assumed that one's clearance would be adjusted based on the next billet.
I just assumed that one's clearance would be adjusted based on the next billet.
Lol right there with you. One of my security managers was a retarded EEO hire who never showed up to work. The poor JR LT who was assigned under her had to clean up all her messes. It was a shit detail and he constantly got blamed for her fuck ups. The dude left the Navy after getting a graduate degree paid for which makes zero sense. Pay $100k so a guy can get a better job outside as soon as he graduates? What a scam. Navy losses and asset while paying for bullshit degrees while they can't afford to do background investigations on their own people. The Navy is a soup sandwich of incompetence so it's not really suprising.
There's a lot of misinformation here, so let's trying to clear this up.
It all starts with a background investigation. Depending on the type of investigation done (e.g. SSBI) and the result, you may be granted a security clearance (e.g. Top Secret) that gives you access to collateral information. Typically, for the clearance to be active, you must be actively assigned to a position or contract that requires that clearance. That means that even if you have an SSBI and you've worked in a TS position before, if you're current contract only requires a Secret, then your active clearance is a Secret. If you change contracts to one that requires a TS, you can easily change as long as your investigation is current.
So let's talk about clearance statuses. Active means you're actively in a position requiring that clearance. If you're clearance is inactive, it means that you are NOT working in a position requiring a security clearance. Simple. Contrary to popular belief, clearances don't expire. The DoD and other agencies have guidelines for how often they like periodic reinvestigations (PRs) to be performed, but they are just that: guidelines. The standard for TS clearance PRs is 6 years, but that doesn't mean that someone whose last PR was 7 years ago can't get read onto a contract requiring TS: it's up to the adjudicating agency to make that determination.
A clearance revocation is an administrative action against a person. Your clearance doesn't get revoked because you left your job, your clearance gets revoked because you mishandled classified info, you lied on your SF-86, etc. What's not clear from the media - because the media is fucking retarded - is whether Brennan's clearance was revoked, suspended, or it was simply deactivated. If it was REVOKED, that means that someone made that determination that Brennan was not fit to hold a clearance and he is barred from holding a clearance, period. There is a process to protest a revocation, and if you win your clearance is reinstated. A clearance suspension is the step before revocation while they are looking into the situation.
Intel agencies can adjudicate based on your OPM (about to change to a new agency, FWIW) investigation. Here's where it gets less clear, because different agencies have different requirements, and those requirements can change depending on what SAP or compartments you're getting read into. Maybe the agency didn't care if your wife is a dual citizen when you're in one position, but they might if you're in another. Maybe one agency didn't care that your best friend was born in China and moved to the U.S. at age 3, but it's a dealbreaker for another agency. Intel agencies can also kick off another investigation if they feel it's necessary.
There are programs out there that only a handful of people - and sometimes less - are read into. Sometimes it is necessary to engage people who are no longer actively working on the program. That is why I assume that a lot of people who formerly worked in high-level positions continue to carry clearances. That's a guess - I've never been in that specific position, so I can't say for sure.
As for Brennan, fuck him.
It all starts with a background investigation. Depending on the type of investigation done (e.g. SSBI) and the result, you may be granted a security clearance (e.g. Top Secret) that gives you access to collateral information. Typically, for the clearance to be active, you must be actively assigned to a position or contract that requires that clearance. That means that even if you have an SSBI and you've worked in a TS position before, if you're current contract only requires a Secret, then your active clearance is a Secret. If you change contracts to one that requires a TS, you can easily change as long as your investigation is current.
So let's talk about clearance statuses. Active means you're actively in a position requiring that clearance. If you're clearance is inactive, it means that you are NOT working in a position requiring a security clearance. Simple. Contrary to popular belief, clearances don't expire. The DoD and other agencies have guidelines for how often they like periodic reinvestigations (PRs) to be performed, but they are just that: guidelines. The standard for TS clearance PRs is 6 years, but that doesn't mean that someone whose last PR was 7 years ago can't get read onto a contract requiring TS: it's up to the adjudicating agency to make that determination.
A clearance revocation is an administrative action against a person. Your clearance doesn't get revoked because you left your job, your clearance gets revoked because you mishandled classified info, you lied on your SF-86, etc. What's not clear from the media - because the media is fucking retarded - is whether Brennan's clearance was revoked, suspended, or it was simply deactivated. If it was REVOKED, that means that someone made that determination that Brennan was not fit to hold a clearance and he is barred from holding a clearance, period. There is a process to protest a revocation, and if you win your clearance is reinstated. A clearance suspension is the step before revocation while they are looking into the situation.
Intel agencies can adjudicate based on your OPM (about to change to a new agency, FWIW) investigation. Here's where it gets less clear, because different agencies have different requirements, and those requirements can change depending on what SAP or compartments you're getting read into. Maybe the agency didn't care if your wife is a dual citizen when you're in one position, but they might if you're in another. Maybe one agency didn't care that your best friend was born in China and moved to the U.S. at age 3, but it's a dealbreaker for another agency. Intel agencies can also kick off another investigation if they feel it's necessary.
There are programs out there that only a handful of people - and sometimes less - are read into. Sometimes it is necessary to engage people who are no longer actively working on the program. That is why I assume that a lot of people who formerly worked in high-level positions continue to carry clearances. That's a guess - I've never been in that specific position, so I can't say for sure.
As for Brennan, fuck him.
Great quotes on Fox in the story about this from one of the studs who survived Benghazi and one of the guys who was on the raid that killed Bin Laden.
Calling Brennan out for his politically motivated BS.
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Calling Brennan out for his politically motivated BS.
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its simple chain of command, Donald J Trump is CIC, he says no clearance, then poof there is no clearance. Next he will declassify all the crimes of the CIA and FBI. Not a goddam thing anyone can do about it either. Except maybe defect to their new countries before they get hunted down.
Donald J Trump, the president of all the USA, even BBBB and Avidouchenozzle.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4486712/sen-feinstein-accuses-cia-searching-congressional-computers
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4486712/sen-feinstein-accuses-cia-searching-congressional-computers
Donald J Trump, the president of all the USA, even BBBB and Avidouchenozzle.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4486712/sen-feinstein-accuses-cia-searching-congressional-computers
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4486712/sen-feinstein-accuses-cia-searching-congressional-computers
Holy shit with the clearances and the BS you guys had to wade through? Liked my clearance way better.....you know how to swing a hammer? Yep. Get your ass up here and if ya fall your fired before you hit the ground, paydays on Friday.?
Laughing at some of the B/S in this thread about the two party banter. When are you guys going to wake the fuck up an realize they are one in the same! They call them the left wing an right wing because they are the wings of the same fucking buzzard circling over head. That is the reason the laws do not apply to them. Some of you need to stop an think! Both wings are trying to stop Trump, but the good guys have been tripping the fucks up to date. Not sure how much longer that will hold w/o some public backbone.
In 1993, I worked, briefly, for a "rockstar" Marine Corps General named Zinni. And if Bill Clinton had come to a sudden stop, Zinni's head would have gone up his ass up to the epaulets...
Just being in charge of something these days does not make you a warrior. It means you passed a political litmus test.
McRaven had the right stuff to make it into SOCOM. In fact, he made it into Seal Team 6 under Marcinko... who ditched him for being a whiny little douche-nozzle who was all bitchy that the 'Six members did dangerous things and that OSHA might not approve.
Yeah... his little 'protest' concerns me. Vegan moonbat idiot turdbags can pass BUDs if they are fit enough. And can get promotions if they check off the right boxes under the right administrations.
His little meltdown... confirms everything that everyone knew about him years ago. Why the hell do you think he was head of SOCOM by the last adminstration. And just happened to have his little rat claws on the tiller when Neptune Spear happened? Luck. And being able to pass the Marxist litmus test.
Look at his whole career. Yeah, he had a Budweiser. He rode it to amazing heights. While being a whiny little 'narc.
Sirhr
Just being in charge of something these days does not make you a warrior. It means you passed a political litmus test.
McRaven had the right stuff to make it into SOCOM. In fact, he made it into Seal Team 6 under Marcinko... who ditched him for being a whiny little douche-nozzle who was all bitchy that the 'Six members did dangerous things and that OSHA might not approve.
Yeah... his little 'protest' concerns me. Vegan moonbat idiot turdbags can pass BUDs if they are fit enough. And can get promotions if they check off the right boxes under the right administrations.
His little meltdown... confirms everything that everyone knew about him years ago. Why the hell do you think he was head of SOCOM by the last adminstration. And just happened to have his little rat claws on the tiller when Neptune Spear happened? Luck. And being able to pass the Marxist litmus test.
Look at his whole career. Yeah, he had a Budweiser. He rode it to amazing heights. While being a whiny little 'narc.
Sirhr
So that's how you spell "whiny". Thank you.
Our British, Australian, Canadian and New Zealand cousins are forgiven if they add an "E".
They have a penchant for that. It's ok. They are allowed extra vowels in order that they can show some independence from America!
Cheers,
Sirhr
If you look back a few months, you'll see that your snobby Command Snobiforous Snob-major-in-chief... predicted Brennan was going to be at the heart of this...
But what do I know. I was in marketing.
Cheers,
Sirhr
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