I know this is going to be all over the place as far as what people think, but wanted to see what the people who actually shoot think this should/could be.
I've been shooting a lot of 5.56 lately from a 16" MK12 Holland and a 18" Mk12Mod1 both with 10x optics (Leupold on the Holland, Nightforce on the Mod1) with 77g TMK loads that are what MK262 would be at velocity wise. Both of the guns are 3/4MOA at 100 yards with 5 shot groups and have a ton of velocity data that I have recorded via the MagnetoSpeed.
So the debate, with some guys I shoot with as well as others that shoot some form or another of scoped AR is in regards to the real effective range of the guns/caliber and the hit percentages you SHOULD be able to get that relies more on skill than anything. I'll admit, if I knew my engagement ranges were all going to be over 600 yards, I would opt to pull something different from the armory but this isn't what this is about nor is this a pissing contest; more curiosity of what others have experienced and to see if my expectations are unrealistic or not. Yes I'm sure people have gotten hits at 1k or whatever, but we're talking about realistic hit percentage that you would get if you were a very above average shooter, not just plinking and praying.
So here are 4 examples. Say you have 10 shots; mag fed, single fed, whatever. You have time to get the shot lined up, but not to the point that you can lay there all day between shots; figure, 1 shot every 10 seconds or less. Assume its with the same rifle, same 10x optic, same everything. All wind is 5-10mph with gusts that can hit 15-17mph and the first 1/3 of your shot may give you false wind readings as you are shooting from between 2 cliff walls onto an open field. From my Trimble, the distance that it lists as 'Supersonic flight ends' is at 959 yards.
Target 1
515 yards on a 6 inch plate
Target 2
735 yards on a 8 inch plate
Target 3
735 on a 10 inch plate
Target 4
868 yards on a 10 inch plate
I've been shooting a lot of 5.56 lately from a 16" MK12 Holland and a 18" Mk12Mod1 both with 10x optics (Leupold on the Holland, Nightforce on the Mod1) with 77g TMK loads that are what MK262 would be at velocity wise. Both of the guns are 3/4MOA at 100 yards with 5 shot groups and have a ton of velocity data that I have recorded via the MagnetoSpeed.
So the debate, with some guys I shoot with as well as others that shoot some form or another of scoped AR is in regards to the real effective range of the guns/caliber and the hit percentages you SHOULD be able to get that relies more on skill than anything. I'll admit, if I knew my engagement ranges were all going to be over 600 yards, I would opt to pull something different from the armory but this isn't what this is about nor is this a pissing contest; more curiosity of what others have experienced and to see if my expectations are unrealistic or not. Yes I'm sure people have gotten hits at 1k or whatever, but we're talking about realistic hit percentage that you would get if you were a very above average shooter, not just plinking and praying.
So here are 4 examples. Say you have 10 shots; mag fed, single fed, whatever. You have time to get the shot lined up, but not to the point that you can lay there all day between shots; figure, 1 shot every 10 seconds or less. Assume its with the same rifle, same 10x optic, same everything. All wind is 5-10mph with gusts that can hit 15-17mph and the first 1/3 of your shot may give you false wind readings as you are shooting from between 2 cliff walls onto an open field. From my Trimble, the distance that it lists as 'Supersonic flight ends' is at 959 yards.
Target 1
515 yards on a 6 inch plate
Target 2
735 yards on a 8 inch plate
Target 3
735 on a 10 inch plate
Target 4
868 yards on a 10 inch plate