Safety at the expense of our rights
- Thread starter ArmyJerry
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Not sure how you decided I was in favor of profiling. Perhaps you should re-read my posts...and reset your sarcasm filter.
There has never been a right to negligent operation.
Thousands of people text or talk on their phone every day.
Is it smart - no.
Do we need a specific law for it - no.
The purpose of the law is for some politician to claim he did something.
Commit a violation.
Texting may be the cause of the violation and should be noted but that in itself is not a violation.
If someone is texting and causes a crash than they are violating "negligent operation" - understood by a reasonable person to be able to cause accident or injury. Certainly its reasonable to charge someone with Neg Op if there story is "I took my eyes off the road to read a text and didnt realize the car ahead of me had stopped. So I crashed into the Pinto and it burned all the occupants alive"
Cops are the most distracted drivers out there often operating a cruiser while managing two or more communication systems, emergency vehicle equipment, and a computer terminal.
Pass a texting law and the first person cited should be the cop.
You sir are correct.
I attributed to you an oft expressed attitude that DHS is stupid in their use of "screening" in that instead of "behavior profiling" based on known attributes they choose to strip search granny in the wheel chair.
There are certain behaviors, identified through training and experience that when exhibited together would indicate to a reasonable person that a certain activity is occurring.
You could allow your police to act on those "clues" and they may be able to ensure a crime is not completed or society can prevent them from acting on that and the police will be, as is often the case, nothing more than a reactive entity.
Proactive doesnt mean arbitrary "stop and frisk" of everyone you meet but it should allow for articulated circumstances to build a case for reasonable action.
DHS is an unconstitutional organization as is all National law enforcement.
Thing about those videos is that it tells as much about the biker as the cop.
The first two are just kind of cute but the last one was disturbing.
First day I ever rode I bike it took me all of about 10 minutes to learn you may be right but its better to be defensive than dead or in a wheel chair.
Sure bike guy you keep pressing the point about how you are following the rules of the road but it would heve been much smarter to back it off let ignorant lady go and ensure you live to ride another day.
Too much shit ends up going really bad just because someone wants to prove they are right.
There is a time and a place.
Wish everyone had to ride a motorcycle for a year before they were allowed to get inside a steel cage transportation.
Darwin will take care of those that shouldnt be driving within that year and those that survive will have a sense of defensive driving skills and by necessity be more courteous.
I made all my kids attend the MSF course before I let them drive a car.
Riding a bike made me a much better auto driver.
There are benefits of coming face to face with your mortality.
I have problems with pieces of shit like the pig in the video, the ones that get all fucking irate if you question them when they fuckup or are out of line. It's slobbering fucks like this that paint all cops in a bad light, it only gets worse when one of the good ones stands up for one of the bad ones.
The ones that walk the line and respect the authority we've given them, I don't have a problem with. Never had my rights violated in WA, FWIW. Maybe they train 'em better up here, maybe I just haven't run into enough of 'em, I don't know. They have their shitbags, every unit does, but it's not endemic from my point of view.
In the South, it was common to hear cops say shit like "you don't have Rights here son" --it's shit like this that teaches people to hate cops. I was taught to hate 'em very early on --by them. It's taken years and a few interactions since to roll some of that back. You have to earn respect. Slobbering and demanding it ain't gonna get it, by you can try holding your breath a little longer if it helps.
On the other hand, in WA, you've kinda gotta be fucking up to get harassed. IME anyway. They all have their Pvt. Heaton's though.
same in Fla, Texas they pull you over buonly one ticket in 5 pullovers, 85 in a 55, my bad missed the drop down completely.
That's the case more often than not.
Stopped in very small town in AL about 30 years ago. Had it been daytime I'm sure the cop would have worn mirrored sunglasses. I kept expecting to hear, "You in a heap 'o trouble, boy" (older guys will remember the Dodge commercials).
He had me dead to rights. Saw the DOD decal on my windshield and asked to see my ID. He gave me a verbal warning, thanked me for my service and sent me on my way.
Rural cop in SC a few years back, 73 in a 55. Handed him all the required documents plus CCW. He asked what I was carrying and where. 1911, holstered next to right knee. Gave me a warning for less than 10 over.
With one exception (on an air base), I earned every tix I ever got...and there are more than a few.
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