2 years and they didn't lobby to get HPA through or national carry or awbs repealed. Why even be a member? GOA and SAF at least get results.
Why support the NRA?
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Support the GOA. The GOA supports black rifles, supressors and FA(which the NRA doesnt support). To be honest they are a fudd organization for guys who have a shotgun or bolt rifle for hunting once a year. When was the last time they spoke positive of a modern sporting rifle?
Send your money to the GOA, it will be put to better use. The NRA loves a crisis, just like the dems amd MSM. It makes them money. And all businesses, which the NRA is, needs money.
Send your money to the GOA, it will be put to better use. The NRA loves a crisis, just like the dems amd MSM. It makes them money. And all businesses, which the NRA is, needs money.
Because their support of youth and training programs is top notch...
As a lobbying agency, they kinda suck.
That being said I don’t hear liberals screatching about GOA or SAF as much as they acreatch about the NRA
As a lobbying agency, they kinda suck.
That being said I don’t hear liberals screatching about GOA or SAF as much as they acreatch about the NRA
I despise them, they do good education work around guns, but man they are starting to become part of the problem... I wont cut them off just yet but GOA will get the bulk of my money going forward. NAGR also.
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i am not aware of the NRA doing anything recently besides pushing shit tier legislation. Red Flags (AKA confiscation), dumping money into NICS, Dumping money into RINO globalist spineless shitbags like John Cornyn from Texas. That POS is my senator unfortunately, every primary i vote against him.
NRA is a lobbyist political organization for 2A with pens thats all it is. The second amendment doesn't stated that "Thy Pen shall not be infringed" and isn't about political debate,safety etc etc etc. Freedom is about being able to defend oneself against an opposing force that wants to take away that freedom.Since the beginning of time it has been about conquering others, it still exist today as it did thousands of years ago. Mother Nature stronger animals feed off of weaker animals. Screw the constitution , do you want to live free is the question, do you have what it takes to be free and survive regardless of your environment.I can live with others with differing opinions I can't live with others who want to take away my means of survival.God made me a free man God is the only one who has the power to take my life. "Blessed be the Lord my strength which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight: My goodness, and my fortress; my high tower, and my deliverer; my shield, and he in whom I trust; who subdueth my people under me."
Serious question and I'm not trying to be a smartass because I really don't know. What results have they achieved?
If I had it my way no lobbyists would be allowed to influence legislation. That is the nature of the battlefield all the same, and I don't know where the NRA gets off throwing bump stock owners under the bus. That is some repugnant shit right there.
I'd normally chime in to support the NRA, but they've officially eclipsed "useless" and have transcended into "harmful" with no allegiance to the people's rights. Maybe a bunch of backwoods bucktoothed cousin-fucking Elmer Fudds don't care, but the principle is that the government does not have the power to infringe on the 2A rights, and the NRA is the most well-known proponent of gun rights. I already can't buy arbitrary gun parts depending on capacity and length laws, what the fuck else is there to strip without just cutting the shit and grabbing the guns? Not only do I not agree with the guns laws we have today on principle, but they don't even make sense. The NRA of today is a bunch of fuckschool soft dicks that seem to just want to keep their business well oiled so they can cut themselves a check— what their business actually accomplishes they could probably give a fuck. They can all just buy machine guns, in this country money equals freedom and the NRA leadership is pretty well off, you expect someone like that to sympathize with your inability to purchase a machine gun or silencer off the rack? I doubt it.
I'd normally chime in to support the NRA, but they've officially eclipsed "useless" and have transcended into "harmful" with no allegiance to the people's rights. Maybe a bunch of backwoods bucktoothed cousin-fucking Elmer Fudds don't care, but the principle is that the government does not have the power to infringe on the 2A rights, and the NRA is the most well-known proponent of gun rights. I already can't buy arbitrary gun parts depending on capacity and length laws, what the fuck else is there to strip without just cutting the shit and grabbing the guns? Not only do I not agree with the guns laws we have today on principle, but they don't even make sense. The NRA of today is a bunch of fuckschool soft dicks that seem to just want to keep their business well oiled so they can cut themselves a check— what their business actually accomplishes they could probably give a fuck. They can all just buy machine guns, in this country money equals freedom and the NRA leadership is pretty well off, you expect someone like that to sympathize with your inability to purchase a machine gun or silencer off the rack? I doubt it.
i mainly support them cause I always have. They do a lot with safety and youth etc. They also work with gun clubs to figure out ways to make rifle range noise less for neighboring houses by design. They have a huge membership and they're the only pro 2A org anybody outside of our circles has ever heard of.
GOA also gets my money and I wish they had the numbers the NRA has.
GOA also gets my money and I wish they had the numbers the NRA has.
Interesting, 
a way to reduce noise,,,, kinda like the HPA that worthless/spineless puke republicans and NRA abandoned and bastardized? I will admit they do good youth work. Myself i am done with them, also remember they have their fingerprints on every piece of gun control legislation we currently have infringing on the 2A.
a way to reduce noise,,,, kinda like the HPA that worthless/spineless puke republicans and NRA abandoned and bastardized? I will admit they do good youth work. Myself i am done with them, also remember they have their fingerprints on every piece of gun control legislation we currently have infringing on the 2A.
Anytime you give/donate and someone is cutting themselves into that money, for administration or whatever, prepare for disappointment. Anybody remember the Wounded Warrior charade?
If you want me to think the millions (I'm assuming) that the NRA takes in every year is justified by what they have accomplished I'd say that's an uphill debate for you. The NRA has learned that it can be largely ineffective regarding legislation while still being effective at accruing donations and support. I don't care if they teach little Johhny gun safety themselves in person, with them laying down for these compromises Johhny won't be able to own a gun that holds more than one round by the time he's 18. In my mind, a traitor is worse than a known enemy, and the NRA is looking like they're not really with the program for repealing firearms infringement.
I understand that them being privy to or peripherally involved with legislation writing doesn't mean they are screwing people over, I know they've lessened the idiocy and encroachment upon rights by being a part of the process at all. The NRA has done good things, like I said normally I would chime in to support them and their mission, but my opinion has turned as of late. GOA has a lot of promise but I am not as quick to trust them as I was to initially trust the NRA, which is probably a learned response others have as well.
If you want me to think the millions (I'm assuming) that the NRA takes in every year is justified by what they have accomplished I'd say that's an uphill debate for you. The NRA has learned that it can be largely ineffective regarding legislation while still being effective at accruing donations and support. I don't care if they teach little Johhny gun safety themselves in person, with them laying down for these compromises Johhny won't be able to own a gun that holds more than one round by the time he's 18. In my mind, a traitor is worse than a known enemy, and the NRA is looking like they're not really with the program for repealing firearms infringement.
I understand that them being privy to or peripherally involved with legislation writing doesn't mean they are screwing people over, I know they've lessened the idiocy and encroachment upon rights by being a part of the process at all. The NRA has done good things, like I said normally I would chime in to support them and their mission, but my opinion has turned as of late. GOA has a lot of promise but I am not as quick to trust them as I was to initially trust the NRA, which is probably a learned response others have as well.
interesting article, shows the nra for what it is
https://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amend...n-bump-stocks-to-shield-semiautomatic-rifles/
https://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amend...n-bump-stocks-to-shield-semiautomatic-rifles/
Reminds me of picking fruit.
Grab the low hanging fruit first.
Grab a ladder and get the next level.
When the picking gets tough, you roll in the heavy machinery and take what's left.
Gun control, fruit picking, it's all the same to them.
NAGR and GOA need to take front and center stage, we need to use the communist tactics to win.
We need a national standard for the second amendment. There's a national standard for all the other ones, you don't cross a state line and all of a sudden have to submit to different freedom of speech or right to trail infringements.
The 2A is treated as a second-class right, and that is unacceptable. Our government has established a pedigree of accommodating the entitled elite who see no need in personal protection or the power of the people within checks and balances, and now we live in a society where firearms are demonized. It's a looooong walk back to the constitution from where our government is now, I'd like to support an organization that's not stopping to fuck every dog along the way.
The 2A is treated as a second-class right, and that is unacceptable. Our government has established a pedigree of accommodating the entitled elite who see no need in personal protection or the power of the people within checks and balances, and now we live in a society where firearms are demonized. It's a looooong walk back to the constitution from where our government is now, I'd like to support an organization that's not stopping to fuck every dog along the way.
Yep a right is a right, unless you listen to our despotic government.
I'm not. They lost me in '94.
It's a scam, without anti gun legislation, they can't raise capital - to 'fight for your rights'.
It's a scam, without anti gun legislation, they can't raise capital - to 'fight for your rights'.
NRA+politics+lots and lots of money = corruption and greedbaggery at our expense.
I won't donate money to them anymore, never got anything out of it. They're more interested in red vs. blue politics, not in the 2A. On the other hand, if some of you who donate a lot to NRA want to pay for my membership, I'll go along and you get to add numbers to your cause.
I just spend mine on components, etc.
If they decide to go back to supporting the rights of firearms owners and get out of politics in general, I may be interested again. But not the way they're currently going.
I won't donate money to them anymore, never got anything out of it. They're more interested in red vs. blue politics, not in the 2A. On the other hand, if some of you who donate a lot to NRA want to pay for my membership, I'll go along and you get to add numbers to your cause.
I just spend mine on components, etc.
If they decide to go back to supporting the rights of firearms owners and get out of politics in general, I may be interested again. But not the way they're currently going.
GOA advocated for the same, they also didn't get it through. Who really failed in that? Was it the lobbies or was it Congress?
The better question is "Why support the GOP?" They're the ones who gladly took the support from gun rights organizations and turned their backs as soon as they won election/reelection. Fuck them, vote them all out.
If you have issue with the NRA, become a voting member and follow through by actually voting for the BoD members who will take a originalist stance to the 2A rather than traditional deer hunter.
Ammon Bundy and his minions had planned to kill and kidnap my family and other citizens in my community. Ammon Bundy is a piece of shit. Fuck him to hell.
I don’t believe what the media tells me. I live here, Burns Oregon. I know what happened.
Ok don’t believe me? I work in LE here in Harney County lets just leave it at that. I had to send my family out of town during the occupation as did others because Ammon Bundys people had an active plan to kidnap LE and or families here. That plan morphed into just killing some people. You guys all pro second amendment? Guess why we have the 2nd? Not just criminal governments. The reason we have the 2nd is so when an out of state militia comes to your community tries to nullify your elections, infiltrates your duly elected officials offices you can kill them. The real reason the FBI was here was to keep the locals from killing the Bundys. Yes the Bundys came here and started telling everyone how fucked up we were. If you challenged them you were just “not being constitutional” I have worked all over central and South America and what the Bundys were doing here was no different than what the communist did. Divide the populace, nullify elections, install their figureheads make the local gov look incompetent. Nope I have seen it before and I smelled it instantly. Bundys are snake oil salesmen.
You guys should have taken care of the problem locally, without the other criminal gang getting involved.
I gotta add, I been all over the world myself, most communist infils happen through local government ad are usually challenged by property and business owners. As far as making the locals look incompetent? were they?
I know if someone threatened my family they would not be a threat for long.
Something is not adding up.
I gotta add, I been all over the world myself, most communist infils happen through local government ad are usually challenged by property and business owners. As far as making the locals look incompetent? were they?
I know if someone threatened my family they would not be a threat for long.
Something is not adding up.
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NRA is a has been org. As for Bundy, they got their 15 minutes of Fame and a larger support group. Haven't heard about them since.
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As far as things not adding up, there were some strange things at play here during the occupation. Even though I was here the whole time, went to all the briefings etc I didn't know everything. I can only guess. But I do know what I witnessed and what I was dealing with. Armed incursions from an out of state led militia. Sure we had Oregon militias here too but they were just strutting around in the wings trying to get their 15 min of fame.
The lies and disinformation the Bundys spread were right out of the communist manifesto. Things we locals here knew were complete lies. Yet on a national level the lies were treated as truth. Some of the locals may have been a tad incompetent but really now, compared to Portland or Kate Brown they are rock stars. We are a small town, small population (Red County) that has been basically shit on by the state of Oregon. They send their welfare cases here by the busload and we have to deal with them. Bundys totally misread people here though. Bundys saw a disenfranchised populace and thought they could have their state of Deseret. They misjudged. People here don't like being told what to do by people who have no stake here.
As far as dealing with threats? Let's just say I couldn't get close enough.
As far as things not adding up, there were some strange things at play here during the occupation. Even though I was here the whole time, went to all the briefings etc I didn't know everything. I can only guess. But I do know what I witnessed and what I was dealing with. Armed incursions from an out of state led militia. Sure we had Oregon militias here too but they were just strutting around in the wings trying to get their 15 min of fame.
The lies and disinformation the Bundys spread were right out of the communist manifesto. Things we locals here knew were complete lies. Yet on a national level the lies were treated as truth. Some of the locals may have been a tad incompetent but really now, compared to Portland or Kate Brown they are rock stars. We are a small town, small population (Red County) that has been basically shit on by the state of Oregon. They send their welfare cases here by the busload and we have to deal with them. Bundys totally misread people here though. Bundys saw a disenfranchised populace and thought they could have their state of Deseret. They misjudged. People here don't like being told what to do by people who have no stake here.
As far as dealing with threats? Let's just say I couldn't get close enough.
I gotta defer to you on the ground, you seem like a level headed dude from reading your posts.
I just didn't like the feds getting involved and shooting the supporter, up in the other standoff.
I just didn't like the feds getting involved and shooting the supporter, up in the other standoff.
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The dude has kinda gone off his rocker.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...ic-its-all-fear-based/?utm_term=.adf1c5cd7322
I appreciate @DuneBoer's perspective. Kinda mirrors what I heard from other officers down there. Something was fucky.
Wow.. just wow. Agreed on appreciating DuneBoer's perspective. The entire ordeal didn't smell right from the start.
measure what you read in the Wapo, they are a big part of the coming apart.
More to the intent of the original post......... Last summer some time I saw a flyer for a 2nd Amendment rally in Boise. Erich Pratt was going to be there so I thought I would make a run over. Life Member and all I wanted to meet him. I noticed Ammon Bundy was going to be there and Pratt was going to share the stage with him. That really pissed me off so I called GOA and talked to some guy in the upper echelon, don't remember his name. He spewed the Bundy line to me which at face value, for most part I agree with. I tried to explain the whole situation and what really happened but he would have none of it. Bundy pro gun, GOA pro gun. We support Bundy.
My explanation was: Bundy is pro gun (unless you disagree with him on anything then you shouldn't have guns) Bundy is pro free speech (Unless you disagree with him then you should be quiet) Bundy is pro freedom of religion (Unless you are not LDS then you should convert) I further explained how Law Enforcements lives and families were threatened. I further explained how many of the Bundy supporters claimed to be Veterans. Biggest case of Stolen Valor I have ever witnessed in my life.
The GOA guy could care less. I finally asked him if Ammon Bundy was a life member and had given as much $$ to GOA as I had over the years. I got no answer.
My explanation was: Bundy is pro gun (unless you disagree with him on anything then you shouldn't have guns) Bundy is pro free speech (Unless you disagree with him then you should be quiet) Bundy is pro freedom of religion (Unless you are not LDS then you should convert) I further explained how Law Enforcements lives and families were threatened. I further explained how many of the Bundy supporters claimed to be Veterans. Biggest case of Stolen Valor I have ever witnessed in my life.
The GOA guy could care less. I finally asked him if Ammon Bundy was a life member and had given as much $$ to GOA as I had over the years. I got no answer.
Fair enough but they are still better than the NRA but not going to throw either out at this time, again I gotta defer to your experience.
I believe in GOA more than the NRA but they pissed me off. It's just me. My problem. When I called GOA I felt like I was talking to a GOP office. I'm just not into hand jobs anymore.
Well, we have a million Babbles out there we gotta fund whatever organizations that can stop the Babble people, they are like the frikken Borg, a insidious evil they threatens us all with their abject stupidity. Ever since they been putting warning labels on shit like lawn darts we end up with Babbles , it weakens our society. NAGR< NRA, GOA . All of them get some money in different proportions.
I'm sorry to hear all of the hate for the NRA They are still the loudest voice that gun owners have. Do they do everything correctly? No! Are they perfect? No! But we still need to support them.
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