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    Since Trump used the what if it was your kid or husband etc. hurt by an illegal card the left will totally come back and say if it’s enough to build a wall then it’s enough for gun control. They will equate it to the same thing. Watch.

    He also did this all wrong. He should have been at the border interviewing real people and agents to put a face on this.
     
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    I don't know why certain folks are still obsessed over building the damn wall. A physical wall is merely a symbolic icon of deterrence. As a practical and utilitarian thinker, this is not the smart way to deal with the illegal infestation problem.

    We have highly advanced observation technology now. The entire stretch of the border region CAN be monitored with overlapping zones covered under high resolution FLIR and LIDAR equipment, as well as infrared and laser motion sensors. If a breach or unusual activity is detected, these machines can instantly pinpoint the location of the breach. The nearest roving patrols can respond within minutes. It is all about efficiency. This would be FAR MORE efficient and cost effective than building an inert wall. And add to the already existing LE agencies down there, members of the various state militias and Minutemen can be encouraged to participate in patrols. Even deputized and placed on payroll. That would greatly increase manpower to back up the electronic surveillance net AND also foster partnership and mutual understanding between LE and armed citizenry. It would be a win for everybody involved. Jump the border? Immediate arrest and serious criminal charges to follow. No games. No sob stories. If you want to break the law, there will be drastic consequences. And you WILL BE CAUGHT. With a fully wired electronic observation system, not a chicken will cross that region undetected. Fuckers who try to jump WILL know that the chance of capture will be near 100 percent. They will not be so confident once they know that shit means business.
     
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    Blue Sky Country said:
    I don't know why certain folks are still obsessed over building the damn wall. A physical wall is merely a symbolic icon of deterrence. As a practical and utilitarian thinker, this is not the smart way to deal with the illegal infestation problem.

    We have highly advanced observation technology now. The entire stretch of the border region CAN be monitored with overlapping zones covered under high resolution FLIR and LIDAR equipment, as well as infrared and laser motion sensors. If a breach or unusual activity is detected, these machines can instantly pinpoint the location of the breach. The nearest roving patrols can respond within minutes. It is all about efficiency. This would be FAR MORE efficient and cost effective than building an inert wall. And add to the already existing LE agencies down there, members of the various state militias and Minutemen can be encouraged to participate in patrols. Even deputized and placed on payroll. That would greatly increase manpower to back up the electronic surveillance net AND also foster partnership and mutual understanding between LE and armed citizenry. It would be a win for everybody involved. Jump the border? Immediate arrest and serious criminal charges to follow. No games. No sob stories. If you want to break the law, there will be drastic consequences. And you WILL BE CAUGHT. With a fully wired electronic observation system, not a chicken will cross that region undetected. Fuckers who try to jump WILL know that the chance of capture will be near 100 percent. They will not be so confident once they know that shit means business.
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    Agreed. But, I reckon a wall plus said items above would be even more effective, yes?
     
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    SilentStalkr said:
    Agreed. But, I reckon a wall plus said items above would be even more effective, yes?
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    With a few changes yes...Instead of a solid and more costly physical wall, signposts can be placed. Very large and dominating the landscape. Printed in Spanish and English: "IF YOU CAN READ THIS, YOU ARE DETECTED". Plus a loudspeaker/siren that will emit a piercing warning as soon as the scanners are tripped.
     
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    Blue Sky Country said:
    With a few changes yes...Instead of a solid and more costly physical wall, signposts can be placed. Very large and dominating the landscape. Printed in Spanish and English: "IF YOU CAN READ THIS, YOU ARE DETECTED". Plus a loudspeaker/siren that will emit a piercing warning as soon as the scanners are tripped.
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    Oh yeah, that'll turn them around...
     
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    Blue Sky Country said:
    I don't know why certain folks are still obsessed over building the damn wall. A physical wall is merely a symbolic icon of deterrence. As a practical and utilitarian thinker, this is not the smart way to deal with the illegal infestation problem.

    We have highly advanced observation technology now. The entire stretch of the border region CAN be monitored with overlapping zones covered under high resolution FLIR and LIDAR equipment, as well as infrared and laser motion sensors. If a breach or unusual activity is detected, these machines can instantly pinpoint the location of the breach. The nearest roving patrols can respond within minutes. It is all about efficiency. This would be FAR MORE efficient and cost effective than building an inert wall. And add to the already existing LE agencies down there, members of the various state militias and Minutemen can be encouraged to participate in patrols. Even deputized and placed on payroll. That would greatly increase manpower to back up the electronic surveillance net AND also foster partnership and mutual understanding between LE and armed citizenry. It would be a win for everybody involved. Jump the border? Immediate arrest and serious criminal charges to follow. No games. No sob stories. If you want to break the law, there will be drastic consequences. And you WILL BE CAUGHT. With a fully wired electronic observation system, not a chicken will cross that region undetected. Fuckers who try to jump WILL know that the chance of capture will be near 100 percent. They will not be so confident once they know that shit means business.
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    One word: liability. Your plan won't work. Walls are deterrents. Period. As are car doors and deadbolts and doors on houses. They will deter most people and criminals.
     
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    Blue Sky Country said:
    I don't know why certain folks are still obsessed over building the damn wall. A physical wall is merely a symbolic icon of deterrence. As a practical and utilitarian thinker, this is not the smart way to deal with the illegal infestation problem.

    We have highly advanced observation technology now. The entire stretch of the border region CAN be monitored with overlapping zones covered under high resolution FLIR and LIDAR equipment, as well as infrared and laser motion sensors. If a breach or unusual activity is detected, these machines can instantly pinpoint the location of the breach. The nearest roving patrols can respond within minutes. It is all about efficiency. This would be FAR MORE efficient and cost effective than building an inert wall. And add to the already existing LE agencies down there, members of the various state militias and Minutemen can be encouraged to participate in patrols. Even deputized and placed on payroll. That would greatly increase manpower to back up the electronic surveillance net AND also foster partnership and mutual understanding between LE and armed citizenry. It would be a win for everybody involved. Jump the border? Immediate arrest and serious criminal charges to follow. No games. No sob stories. If you want to break the law, there will be drastic consequences. And you WILL BE CAUGHT. With a fully wired electronic observation system, not a chicken will cross that region undetected. Fuckers who try to jump WILL know that the chance of capture will be near 100 percent. They will not be so confident once they know that shit means business.
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    I'm going to disagree. I like the way you think, but once we detain someone trying to enter the country illegally, there are costs. We pay to house them, we pay for legal representation, court costs, LEO costs, etc, etc.

    A wall keeps them out and we can spend the time of LEOs near the border on other things.
     
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    Blue Sky Country said:
    I don't know why certain folks are still obsessed over building the damn wall. A physical wall is merely a symbolic icon of deterrence. As a practical and utilitarian thinker, this is not the smart way to deal with the illegal infestation problem.

    We have highly advanced observation technology now. The entire stretch of the border region CAN be monitored with overlapping zones covered under high resolution FLIR and LIDAR equipment, as well as infrared and laser motion sensors. If a breach or unusual activity is detected, these machines can instantly pinpoint the location of the breach. The nearest roving patrols can respond within minutes. It is all about efficiency. This would be FAR MORE efficient and cost effective than building an inert wall. And add to the already existing LE agencies down there, members of the various state militias and Minutemen can be encouraged to participate in patrols. Even deputized and placed on payroll. That would greatly increase manpower to back up the electronic surveillance net AND also foster partnership and mutual understanding between LE and armed citizenry. It would be a win for everybody involved. Jump the border? Immediate arrest and serious criminal charges to follow. No games. No sob stories. If you want to break the law, there will be drastic consequences. And you WILL BE CAUGHT. With a fully wired electronic observation system, not a chicken will cross that region undetected. Fuckers who try to jump WILL know that the chance of capture will be near 100 percent. They will not be so confident once they know that shit means business.
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    Do you not understand that a physical barrier acts not only as a deterrent to the many but also as a big speed bump to those who will try anyway, making it easier to catch them?

    Do you not understand that a wall reduces the amount of surveillance and manpower needed to control the border vis a vis no fucking wall at all?

    Do you not understand that a wall can't be spoofed, hacked, or jammed the way electronic sensors can?

    Your plan is the epitome of inefficiency, and you're neither practical nor utilitarian.
     
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    SilentStalkr said:
    Since Trump used the what if it was your kid or husband etc. hurt by an illegal card the left will totally come back and say if it’s enough to build a wall then it’s enough for gun control. They will equate it to the same thing. Watch.

    He also did this all wrong. He should have been at the border interviewing real people and agents to put a face on this.
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    Please stop the chicken little hand wringing.

    Please stop now.
     
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    308 knows that there's no amount of palavering that's going to dissuade the Left from a full court press on everything. Reasoning won't work, and everything is twisted to suit their ends. They're reptilian, and nothing short of a fulminating response is going to stop them in their tracks. Seriously, we're beyond words.

    SilentStalkr said:
    Since Trump used the what if it was your kid or husband etc. hurt by an illegal card the left will totally come back and say if it’s enough to build a wall then it’s enough for gun control. They will equate it to the same thing. Watch.

    He also did this all wrong. He should have been at the border interviewing real people and agents to put a face on this.
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    308pirate said:
    Please stop the chicken little hand wringing.

    Please stop now.
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    Blue Sky Country said:
    I don't know why certain folks are still obsessed over building the damn wall. A physical wall is merely a symbolic icon of deterrence. As a practical and utilitarian thinker, this is not the smart way to deal with the illegal infestation problem.

    We have highly advanced observation technology now. The entire stretch of the border region CAN be monitored with overlapping zones covered under high resolution FLIR and LIDAR equipment, as well as infrared and laser motion sensors. If a breach or unusual activity is detected, these machines can instantly pinpoint the location of the breach. The nearest roving patrols can respond within minutes. It is all about efficiency. This would be FAR MORE efficient and cost effective than building an inert wall. And add to the already existing LE agencies down there, members of the various state militias and Minutemen can be encouraged to participate in patrols. Even deputized and placed on payroll. That would greatly increase manpower to back up the electronic surveillance net AND also foster partnership and mutual understanding between LE and armed citizenry. It would be a win for everybody involved. Jump the border? Immediate arrest and serious criminal charges to follow. No games. No sob stories. If you want to break the law, there will be drastic consequences. And you WILL BE CAUGHT. With a fully wired electronic observation system, not a chicken will cross that region undetected. Fuckers who try to jump WILL know that the chance of capture will be near 100 percent. They will not be so confident once they know that shit means business.
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    Do you replace the cost of a wall with the cost of manpower? That's like saying I don't need to lock my doors because I have ADT.
     
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    In all of human history... walls have proven themselves to “ keep people out”

    Great Wall of china
    Berlin wall
    Vatican
    Israel
    Any castle in history

    Never heard anyone ever argue those walls were ineffective at keeping people out...... but somehow a wall at the southern border “ just won’t work”?

    Do y’all fuckers lock your doors at night? Or do you just keep your doors open and put up signs telling criminals to stay away?
     
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    You know what guys?

    The analogy of the locked door vs. only an alarm system is perfect. I read all of the other responses too. They hit the nail on the head so I am going to concede my original, unfiltered statement :cool: I would rather they be kept out instead of racking up taxpayers' dollars in incarceration and deportation.

    A barrier that is quite difficult to cross PLUS the electronic net to spot the most determined jumpers that DO breach it. We still are going to need a much boosted manpower supply, and I believe the armed citizenry can fill a part of this role perfectly.

    Shit on the home front will have to be beefed up too if we want near perfect deterrence. Do regular audits and start leveling up the fines of businesses who think they can hire illegals under the books and get away with it. $5000-$10,000 for EACH undocumented worker we discover at your place, and let's see who else want to run the risk. Your choice: Take shortcuts and face financial ruin, or obey the law and be a team/community player.
     
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    If I hear another idiot say "walls don't work, aren't effective, etc." I'm going to puke. Walls, fences, and physical barriers DO work, and have worked for ten thousand years, which is why they're so widely used today. They don't work on their own, and they never have, but a man on a wall is worth 50 down on the ground. You can barely look out a window in a developed area and NOT see a barrier. WTF.

    However, you know what they do better than anything else on offer? They sit there. They get rained on, and the wind blows, and the seasons change, and elections come and go, but there they are. This bullshit about "smart border" can be turned off. The BPA ranks can be cut. Leaders will chance and their policies will change, and funding can be cut off, and run out... But, a wall of the type we're talking about is going to last 100 years. No matter what the policy is the wall will be there, and its about time that the Federal black hole of programs and expenditures actually worked for that American people rather than against us.

    Once that wall gets built, like all Federal programs, it is going to be almost impossible to remove.

    However, it's win/win, because the open border is going to LGOWI faster.
     
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    mcameron said:
    I’m all of human history... walls have proven themselves to “ keep people out”

    Great Wall of china
    Berlin wall
    Vatican
    Israel
    Any castle in history

    Never heard anyone ever argue those walls were ineffective at keeping people out...... but somehow a wall at the southern border “ just won’t work”?

    Do y’all fuckers lock your doors at night? Or do you just keep your doors open and put up signs telling criminals to stay away?
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    And prisons. Don't forget prisons. :D
     
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    Blue Sky Country said:
    You know what guys?

    The analogy of the locked door vs. only an alarm system is perfect. I read all of the other responses too. They hit the nail on the head so I am going to concede my original, unfiltered statement :cool: I would rather they be kept out instead of racking up taxpayers' dollars in incarceration and deportation.

    A barrier that is quite difficult to cross PLUS the electronic net to spot the most determined jumpers that DO breach it. We still are going to need a much boosted manpower supply, and I believe the armed citizenry can fill a part of this role perfectly.

    Shit on the home front will have to be beefed up too if we want near perfect deterrence. Do regular audits and start leveling up the fines of businesses who think they can hire illegals under the books and get away with it. $5000-$10,000 for EACH undocumented worker we discover at your place, and let's see who else want to run the risk. Your choice: Take shortcuts and face financial ruin, or obey the law and be a team/community player.
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    Glad you found that analogy useful. I'm not of the thinking that a wall will solve all the problems. But I don't get the the left saying "it won't work so why even bother" either. My thinking is if a wall is built, it'll let Homeland Security, ICE, Border Patrol etc. use their limited resources more effectively. Sure there will be ways around it, but it'll be easier to concentrate the efforts on the other ways once a wall is in place. Again, i'm not going to leave my front door unlocked just because a burgler can break in through a window.

    I haven't heard anything from the left disputing the figures Trump gave last night so they must be accurate. I don't buy into them saying that the wall is to expensive either, 5 billion is nothing to these clowns.
     
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    Blue Sky Country said:
    You know what guys?

    The analogy of the locked door vs. only an alarm system is perfect. I read all of the other responses too. They hit the nail on the head so I am going to concede my original, unfiltered statement :cool: I would rather they be kept out instead of racking up taxpayers' dollars in incarceration and deportation.

    A barrier that is quite difficult to cross PLUS the electronic net to spot the most determined jumpers that DO breach it. We still are going to need a much boosted manpower supply, and I believe the armed citizenry can fill a part of this role perfectly.

    Shit on the home front will have to be beefed up too if we want near perfect deterrence. Do regular audits and start leveling up the fines of businesses who think they can hire illegals under the books and get away with it. $5000-$10,000 for EACH undocumented worker we discover at your place, and let's see who else want to run the risk. Your choice: Take shortcuts and face financial ruin, or obey the law and be a team/community player.
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    Ever been in a CBP command center? Ever seen their use of drones (minus the one they lost control of, and splashed down in the Pacific a few years back)? Technology may help, but the people have to know how to use it first. They ain't there yet (I could tell stories/examples, but that might be a bit embarrassing to them on a public forum). Build the damned wall.
     
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    supercorndogs said:
    Wall, no wall. They come here because there is incentive. They collect pay checks, they collect welfare, they come here for free health care. They send as much "home" as they can. If a swift kick in the ass and ride home was all they got, it wouldn't be worth the trip.
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    Yeppers. The fourth largest income stream into Mexico's economy is remittances. Makes you wonder if the reason they held the last caravan ofn their side of the border was Trump threatening to tax or stop the flow of those remittances... Things that make you go....Hmmmmm.
     
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    im all for fining the employers of undocumented or visa overstays but in my wonderful state NY (being a business owner as well):

    if a person walks off the street with a SS card and address etc.

    we have to put them through the govt website and it checks to see if the name matches the ss#, it used to just check if the ss# was ever actually issued not just a bunch of random numbers the illegal paid for when they got the card made up.

    if it doesnt pass, its illegal for my company to call the police/homland/ICE for immediate pickup.

    then add to it if i find out that one slipped through the cracks i have a issue of firing them, they can sue me for wrongful termination.

    we just cant ship them home because they are unwilling to tell the officers what country they actually came from, and because they are coming here with false documentation to begin with the Govt cant just kick them out. and if we do want to stuff them on a plane the country has the right not to let the plane land...thank god for trump that he finally said im puling your economic aid if you dont let us ship back the bad ones.

    they list that they have 5,6,7 dependents so there is a minimum of taxes taken out to begin with. ive had people that just take their W2's at the end of the year and throw them in the garbage because not one of them actually does taxes.

    and then social services actually has people outside the office asking them if they have gotten all they are entitled to.

    one legal person per family puts everything in their name and they rest just pay him/her cash until they launder enough that they now buy a house etc.

    best case scenario..after the work or visit visa expires and they never leave (of course no one comes to get them), and by then they already had children so they are anchor babies by then. they continue to work at their original job and get a lawyer for about 10-15k to legalize them. they leave the US for 3-6 weeks and come back legally. during the whole time they have been sucking off society but now they come back and put the house in their name and the whole cycle starts over again.

    this is a good one:
    for the ones who dont even want to work, they take the "food stamp" money and go buy regular groceries.

    they then go home and use the groceries to cook meals which they then sell for cash on the side. so there is no income or W2/1099 and they still get "food stamps".

    oh and by the way if the kid at the check out wants to go up the food chain he not allowed because of possible defamation.

    never mind the excessive education budget spend on ESL (english second language) teachers and classes they have for these people that our taxes pay for.

    or when they go to the "clininica" for a runny nose and get free meds, or they just give a name with a wrong address which cannot be found.

    and dont forget because they all cannot drive worth a shit (that is fact no one can debate if you have ever driven on the Long Island Expressway), and they do not have insurance. if they hit you they give a false name of have bad ID to begin with. they drive in the middle lane (3 lanes) on main roads so they are just moving with traffic, never speeding so the cops dont stop them.

    the cop knows it but cannot arrest them or call ICE, and the insurance company has no one to charge so.....you pay the bill and your rates go up to boot.

    this is all FACT, i have the pleasure of having cop friends and knowing some illegals in my day. i could go on about how they get here and what cities are the biggest movers but ill fun out of bandwidth and my blood pressure is high enough just writing this.
     
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    sorry forgot to finish...

    thats why a wall is needed, once they are here they are never going to leave.

    have to stop as many as we can because the ones that slip through are here for good.

    if it stops 1 thats 1 more than yesterday
     
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    Technology, sensors and all that other shit is fine ans well, it will be a great addition to the wall and i'm for it. But sensors, drones etc aren't worth a shit unless there is boots on the ground within a couple minutes. What good is a sensor that alerts an agent that is a half hour away? It'll just let us know that someone came in, by the time the agent gets their they'll be long gone. Again, it no better than the ADT I have at my house, intruder breaks in, alarm goes off, ADT is alerted, they first call me to make sure it's not a false alarm, then they contact LE which would probably take them 8-10 minutes to get there. By that time they've grabbed what they wanted and are gone. The main benefit I get from ADT is the signs posted in my flowerbed, it might act as a deterrent.
     
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    brianf said:
    im all for fining the employers of undocumented or visa overstays but in my wonderful state NY (being a business owner as well):

    if a person walks off the street with a SS card and address etc.

    we have to put them through the govt website and it checks to see if the name matches the ss#, it used to just check if the ss# was ever actually issued not just a bunch of random numbers the illegal paid for when they got the card made up.

    if it doesnt pass, its illegal for my company to call the police/homland/ICE for immediate pickup.

    then add to it if i find out that one slipped through the cracks i have a issue of firing them, they can sue me for wrongful termination.

    we just cant ship them home because they are unwilling to tell the officers what country they actually came from, and because they are coming here with false documentation to begin with the Govt cant just kick them out.

    this is all FACT, i have the pleasure of having cop friends and knowing some illegals in my day. i could go on about how they get here and what cities are the biggest movers but ill fun out of bandwidth and my blood pressure is high enough just writing this.
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    This is precisely most of the problem. How does someone that is illegal have rights? They aren’t citizens of this country. They are not afforded the same rights. So, why can’t we just call the cops and have them arrested? They have broken into and entered into the country, illegally. It is no different than one of them breaking into a house. What kind of shit is that? If one of them broke into your house are you going to tell me you aren’t calling the cops? Are you telling me the cops won’t arrest them for doing a crime? What’s the difference and why can’t they be arrested? There are people arrested for far less everyday. That’s straight up BS and everyone should be screaming from the rooftops about this. If illegals can’t be arrested then I shouldn’t have a lien on my house or wage garneshment for not paying my taxes. I mean seriously, if this is the way the gov wants to roll then we should have mass noncompliance on paying taxes..
     
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    Put out a BOLO on Maser. I think he's turned Greg into a sock puppet and I'm afraid that he's gonna wiggle his fingers.

    Greg Langelius * said:
    The East Germans tried all of that. How well did it work for them?

    More importantly, do we really want to be equated with them?

    Greg
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    308pirate said:
    I didn't know someone could be this dumb

    But I guess I was wrong
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    Blue Sky Country said:
    I don't know why certain folks are still obsessed over building the damn wall. A physical wall is merely a symbolic icon of deterrence. As a practical and utilitarian thinker, this is not the smart way to deal with the illegal infestation problem.

    We have highly advanced observation technology now. The entire stretch of the border region CAN be monitored with overlapping zones covered under high resolution FLIR and LIDAR equipment, as well as infrared and laser motion sensors. If a breach or unusual activity is detected, these machines can instantly pinpoint the location of the breach. The nearest roving patrols can respond within minutes. It is all about efficiency. This would be FAR MORE efficient and cost effective than building an inert wall. And add to the already existing LE agencies down there, members of the various state militias and Minutemen can be encouraged to participate in patrols. Even deputized and placed on payroll. That would greatly increase manpower to back up the electronic surveillance net AND also foster partnership and mutual understanding between LE and armed citizenry. It would be a win for everybody involved. Jump the border? Immediate arrest and serious criminal charges to follow. No games. No sob stories. If you want to break the law, there will be drastic consequences. And you WILL BE CAUGHT. With a fully wired electronic observation system, not a chicken will cross that region undetected. Fuckers who try to jump WILL know that the chance of capture will be near 100 percent. They will not be so confident once they know that shit means business.
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    You had me until you said arrest.
     
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    More likely Spanish creeping in:

    http://www.wordreference.com/es/en/translation.asp?spen=fulminar

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fulminating

    Veer_G said:
    308 knows that there's no amount of palavering that's going to dissuade the Left from a full court press on everything. Reasoning won't work, and everything is twisted to suit their ends. They're reptilian, and nothing short of a fulminating response is going to stop them in their tracks. Seriously, we're beyond words.
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    QuickNDirty said:
    Was that the most sly double entendre ever?
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