Looking to up grade from my basic harris bi pod.
Whatvshoukd I be looking at and why? i will be using an arca rail.
Whatvshoukd I be looking at and why? i will be using an arca rail.
PRS Talk bi pods
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You need to define what you are hoping to do.
CKYE-pod is on one end of do all, with the Atlas. Then you have 5oz carbon javelin’s On the other hand you have F class stuff like Joy pods etc.
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Harris for speed.
CKYE for amazing versatility and almost Harris speed.
Atlas for maybe the blend between the two?
you really only have 3 main choices. First understand that the game changer really did just that. So bipods are less relevant.
Harris for speed.
CKYE for amazing versatility and almost Harris speed.
Atlas for maybe the blend between the two?
Ok, maybe I should be more specific.
Which model and why that model? ckye is out, not spending that kind of money on a bi pod. I have shot off of accu-techs before and liked them. i have never used an Atlas and am not sure about the differences.
Which model and why that model? ckye is out, not spending that kind of money on a bi pod. I have shot off of accu-techs before and liked them. i have never used an Atlas and am not sure about the differences.
Its on a barricade adapter from 419. I know its backwords but the legs fold up correctly if its on that way lol plus I can keep my left hand on the left leg and adjust pressure all the way from the mag well to the end of the stock. Can adjust the pressure with my index finger which I like
I could probably adjust the lever but i think it stuck out to far to have it on the other way and use the barricade stop
I hope some new bipods pop up. Push the competition a bit. Hopefully they'll stay in the price ranges they are in lol the sports already darn expensive
Expensive? Really? $1 a round and one of the most important parts tlof the system is the bipod and people still bitch. Btw I think the CKYE is not expensive for what it offers.
This group off a Atlas on a 6.5 barrel that had over 4K rounds; cut back by Marc @ Spartan Rifles put this group out ofter the zero.
The atlas of all the field bipods are the easiest to get great groups from a bench position.
This group off a Atlas on a 6.5 barrel that had over 4K rounds; cut back by Marc @ Spartan Rifles put this group out ofter the zero.
The atlas of all the field bipods are the easiest to get great groups from a bench position.
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No one was bitching. The sport is pricey a dollar a round plus a 250 dollar buy in plus a rig to shoot. Its expensive, im not bitching just stating a fact. I still shoot. Sorry i think 4-500 for a bipod is expensive
What do you think you will be gaining? Reason I ask is that I still use the same Harris BRM-S bipods on my rifles that I have used for over 15 years in matches. I don't really find it wanting but wondering your thought process.
i'd just stick with your harris.
i don't even run a bipod hardly. unless there is a prone position mixed in the COF.
but when i do use my bipod, it's a harris with the hawkhill feet.
probably 80% of the people at my club matches use these.
i don't even run a bipod hardly. unless there is a prone position mixed in the COF.
but when i do use my bipod, it's a harris with the hawkhill feet.
probably 80% of the people at my club matches use these.
Rob, goes back to buy once cry once. the harris I have is non swivel and the legs are are not notched. I need to buy one no matter what. the harris is what, 125? for the extra money I would like to use on that is easier to use, set up and is a bit more versitial.
I got to look at a few at a 22 match yesterday and there were two stages were the abilitybto lock back the legs were a distinct advantage.
BRM-S Harris can be had for under $100. Keep an eye on Amazon and other vendors. But it's up to you where the money is better spent. As mentioned a swivel and notched legs, which is the BRM-S, is the must have. Non swivel and smooth legs is a pain.
Locking back the legs comes in to help in some places but usually in those places a game changer will work better anyways. Again up to you but I have never felt held back with my Harris bipods and why I keep using them.
Locking back the legs comes in to help in some places but usually in those places a game changer will work better anyways. Again up to you but I have never felt held back with my Harris bipods and why I keep using them.
I think the game changer has done just that for positional matches, but not everyone want to carry the 6lbs bag when not competing or spinning up for a match.
FYI - I didn't mention a Harris only because the OP asked about about other bipods than a Harris. Harris sure are fast with a bit of 550 for one handed deployment. I think the only short coming on the Harris is the rubber feet on hard surfaces.
A KMW Pod-loc at about $27 is a must and a HC pro at $85 for his ARCA rail http://soar.reallyrightstuff.com/HC-Pro-Clamp-for-Harris-Bipod.
Other fun options for the Harris:
The Primary Adaptive Solutions Harris adapters $44 are pretty cool and add a bunch more flexibility to the Harris with the ability to use Atlas Compatible feet and extensions. https://www.altusshooting.com/products/primary-adaptive-solution-systems-pass-harris-bipod-adapters
Of course you' still need the soft feet another $19 - in the end it can end up ruining very clost in cost to other bipods mentioned.
Since Accu-Tac has been mentioned, I'm suddenly curious why they never get talked about on here?
The second generation has extendable legs. I’ve been testing it recently and I like it a lot. Slightly shorter than my SR5’s. I have them connected to a Really Right Stuff clamp to my arca rail.
Well when the intended use is PRS you should be practicing and carrying the tools you will be using at a match which include the Game Changer which is the most used at a match. Guys building 20+ pound rifles but balking at carrying another bit of weight? Come on.
Also the Pod Loc is the only one of your things listed that I would say is a needed expenditure. All the other stuff including feet is something people just like to add on. Some just because everyone else is doing it and no other reason. My Harris attaches to a sling stud on the front of my stock and wear the same feet they came with. No arca or feet needed to use them proficenntly at matches.
Honestly I don't care what people use or buy as it's their choice and money but I wanted to give the OP the full picture of all the options.
I picked up a game changer and used it this past weekend. I am starting to practice building shooting positions with it already.
Going to order the bipod this week.
Going to shoot a match a month minimum. they opends a 500 to 1180yRd club about 1.5 hours away. I will be able to practice a couple tines a week.
Going to be a fun summer!
Going to order the bipod this week.
Going to shoot a match a month minimum. they opends a 500 to 1180yRd club about 1.5 hours away. I will be able to practice a couple tines a week.
Going to be a fun summer!
I own the following bipods:
Harris, Atlas (v8 original and PRS), Ckye Pod and LRA F-class.
The Harris is cheap, steady and quick. Not much versatility/adjustment, but enough to work OK. Have to use aftermarket components to be ARCA compatible.
The Atlas has a lot more versatility than the harris. Stability is so-so (narrow legs). Have to use aftermarket components to be ARCA compatible. I don't like the cant tension - this weakens over time and gets to the point that it's almost un-usable. I use to be a big fan of Atlas's - not anymore. The CAL version may be worthwhile, I just haven't had any experience with it.
The Ckye-Pod is a league of it's own. Unmatched versatility. Stability is amazing - you can get low (or high) and wide. Has built in ARCA clamp (or picatinny). Tension actually holds (so far) - but you need to adjust with a hex key. Built in barricade stop. Top notch build quality.
Won't talk about LRA as it's not a suitable PRS bipod.
In summary: Harris is meh. Atlas is meh. Ckye-Pod is amazing.
Harris, Atlas (v8 original and PRS), Ckye Pod and LRA F-class.
The Harris is cheap, steady and quick. Not much versatility/adjustment, but enough to work OK. Have to use aftermarket components to be ARCA compatible.
The Atlas has a lot more versatility than the harris. Stability is so-so (narrow legs). Have to use aftermarket components to be ARCA compatible. I don't like the cant tension - this weakens over time and gets to the point that it's almost un-usable. I use to be a big fan of Atlas's - not anymore. The CAL version may be worthwhile, I just haven't had any experience with it.
The Ckye-Pod is a league of it's own. Unmatched versatility. Stability is amazing - you can get low (or high) and wide. Has built in ARCA clamp (or picatinny). Tension actually holds (so far) - but you need to adjust with a hex key. Built in barricade stop. Top notch build quality.
Won't talk about LRA as it's not a suitable PRS bipod.
In summary: Harris is meh. Atlas is meh. Ckye-Pod is amazing.
I've got 2 Harris' with all the extras: pod-loc, Atlas adapters, RRS pic/arca adapters and I don't find they hold me back any for PRS. In most cases, like Rob said, the Gamechanger is a better solution anyways. I will be getting a Ckyepod though as I believe that is an actual advantage and worth a few points in a PRS match but much more so in a field match.
Both the Harris and the Atlas work well for PRS competitions and I've used both in matches (club and national level). I personally prefer the Atlas, however, because I feel like it's a little bit more forgiving and versatile than the Harris.
With the Harris it will make a big difference if you don't properly load the bipod, and by big difference I mean it can be an inch or more at 100 yards. With proper technique, this is a non-issue but it can be a bit annoying if you end up with a stage shooting prone from some slick concrete (I had a stage like that at a match using a Harris and it was manageable but annoying). In my opinion the Atlas bipods are a little bit easier to load properly than the Harris, and if you don't load it right (timer is counting down, you're thinking about DOPE and haven't ingrained the habit, whatever causes it) your shots won't be quite as far off.
The other thing is that I like the increased adjustment offered by the Atlas compared to the Harris. You can get a really low bipod height by using the 45 degree leg angle, and I've never seen a shooting position (besides reverse rooftops) that would require or desire a bipod taller than the max height of the standard/non-tall Atlas offerings. When you angle the legs backwards it can also be pretty nice for hooking over the top edge of a rooftop to provide additional stability (pulling back into your shoulder will cause it to also press down harder on whatever bag you run up front). These are the things that an Atlas can do that a Harris couldn't, for example.
The Ckye-pod is something I have on my list of future wants though, since the ability to change the leg angle both forwards/backwards and side to side is huge, especially on stuff like tractor tire stages.
With the Harris it will make a big difference if you don't properly load the bipod, and by big difference I mean it can be an inch or more at 100 yards. With proper technique, this is a non-issue but it can be a bit annoying if you end up with a stage shooting prone from some slick concrete (I had a stage like that at a match using a Harris and it was manageable but annoying). In my opinion the Atlas bipods are a little bit easier to load properly than the Harris, and if you don't load it right (timer is counting down, you're thinking about DOPE and haven't ingrained the habit, whatever causes it) your shots won't be quite as far off.
The other thing is that I like the increased adjustment offered by the Atlas compared to the Harris. You can get a really low bipod height by using the 45 degree leg angle, and I've never seen a shooting position (besides reverse rooftops) that would require or desire a bipod taller than the max height of the standard/non-tall Atlas offerings. When you angle the legs backwards it can also be pretty nice for hooking over the top edge of a rooftop to provide additional stability (pulling back into your shoulder will cause it to also press down harder on whatever bag you run up front). These are the things that an Atlas can do that a Harris couldn't, for example.
The Ckye-pod is something I have on my list of future wants though, since the ability to change the leg angle both forwards/backwards and side to side is huge, especially on stuff like tractor tire stages.
Sorry but if you are hitting an inch off zero at 100 yards shooting from the bipod then you are doing something wrong and it's not loading. I have used Harris bipods in matches for over 15 years, even before "loading" was a thing and never saw this.
Ya, I’m also gonna have to ask for some clarification on this one.
That’s almost an moa off. Loading isn’t always done if you’re shooting off bags on a bench or on some positional stages. So I can’t see any reason why not loading a bipod would move things that far. Sure, your recoil management might be a bit lacking, but that’s not gonna change things that dramatically.
I'm not saying it isn't consistent when you have the bipod unloaded, it'll shoot in the same spot each time if you're consistent with how you use it.
I'm saying that if I shoot a group with the Harris loaded for every shot and a group with the Harris unloaded for every shot there's a very noticeable POI shift in my experience. The POI shift in that type of scenario is much smaller using an Atlas bipod, from my experience.
I'm saying that if I shoot a group with the Harris loaded for every shot and a group with the Harris unloaded for every shot there's a very noticeable POI shift in my experience. The POI shift in that type of scenario is much smaller using an Atlas bipod, from my experience.
Is that POI shift due to the bipod itself, or are you having issues personally when you aren’t loaded into the bipod?
Again, this line of logic would mean when you aren’t loaded into the gun on say a barricade, there should be a POI shift vs when you load into the barricade.
Do you have different dope for loading the rifle vs not loading the rifle?
It’s big, heavy, and bulky. I use the SR5 model. I hated it at first but once I learned to use it, I love it. I made an arca rail clamp for mine. The accu tac takes some time getting used to and learning how to deploy it for certain situations. In that same breath all bi pods take time to learn when they are as adjustable as the accu tac, atlas, ckye pod, etc. The Harris is basic but still a nice bi pod.
It's just a simple POI shift, but it's somewhat consistent. I'm certain it has as much to do with how I shoot when the bipod is unloaded vs loaded as it does with the bipod itself. I just try to be consistent is all since my POI will be different if I'm not, no different from what you're supposed to do anyways.
They are more popular then you think and seem to be growing. They are releasing an Arca Clamp model that will work directly on their Gen 2 series. That might change the game a bit considering right now every bipod needs an adapter to be arca other than Ckye Pod. As far as weight goes, heavy rifles in PRS are a good thing. So it depends what game you’re playing I suppose but I like the weight.
Thats kinda what I figured. The extra weight is actually why I keep looking at them, for what I'd be using it for I'll take all the weight I can get.
It's no wonder I can't commit to buying all the new gear I look at, every couple months something I want more comes out! I've been waiting for Arca integrated bipods to finally make an appearance.
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