I guess I bought the last Ultra 9 6.5mm from Hansohn earlier this evening. I dicked around thinking no way would it be the last one, so when I paid and went back and checked they were no longer in stock.
Suppressors Alternate to TBAC for precision rifle shooting?
- Thread starter Jimmy D in AK
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I may take some heat for this, but the SAS cans I bought during the MHSA fire sale are extremely accurate and very quiet. Also shot a match next to a guy yesterday that’s was shooting a Full Nelson that was mind-blowingly quiet. I’ve also heard very good things about Crux cans, but have no direct experience. I love my ultra-5 and will be getting more TBAC cans, but don’t say there isn’t other stuff out there. Yes, I know what SAS did, and yes I know Q is douchey, but my experience with their products has been good.
The real question is Ultra 5 or 7?
@Zak Smith @TBACRAY where's that data you posted of .264cal vs .30cal aperture cans?
@Zak Smith @TBACRAY where's that data you posted of .264cal vs .30cal aperture cans?
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In general the 6.5mm version is 2-3 dB quieter than the .30 cal version when fired on a 6mm or 6.5mm cartridge. But if there's more data you're looking for, we can look through Ray's youtube videos to find it
Maybe a Dead Air can? I only have TBAC since I only shoot bolt guns but people speak highly of Dead Air as a brand for all-purpose cans.
I use my SiCo Omega with the direct thread attachment. Very repeatable. Every time I check zero with my 6.5 CM it is spot on and when I screwed it on for a match two weeks ago I had no trouble engaging targets out to 1000, 1100 yards. Works equally well on my 6mm CM.
Both rifles have about a 1" up and 1" left poi shift without the can but with those two rifles I don't bother shooting unsuppressed anymore.
Both rifles have about a 1" up and 1" left poi shift without the can but with those two rifles I don't bother shooting unsuppressed anymore.
I think it was attenuation of a 6.5mm vs .30cal can, in not only aperture but several different lengths of Ultra as well? Perhaps I'm mis-remembering.
I have had the Ultra 9 for several years now and about 10,000 rounds. I have used it on 5 different rifles and will be ordering a 223 for my Desert Tech and plan on using it on that one as well. POI every time I take it off and put it back on no scope adjustment is needed. Same point ever time. I have cleaned it at least twice.
I can not say enough about TB the crew is top of t he line and if I have had any problems they would address it very quickly. I will be getting a 22 can later this year and it will be TB.
Hope this helps.
I can not say enough about TB the crew is top of t he line and if I have had any problems they would address it very quickly. I will be getting a 22 can later this year and it will be TB.
Hope this helps.
@Zak Smith What does that mean for us that need to use a 50% cert? I've been sitting on it too long; need to use it.
You can put an order in with your certificate redemption at any time. If you put it in now, the wait might be technically longer but you'd get it sooner ultimately, vs. waiting for when our backlog was shorter. We have some more machinery coming online this summer that will help to speed things up.
and this is one of the things I love about TBAC... the fact that even on a Sunday night they are checking our boards and answering questions is customer support that I rarely see these days, they always answer the phone, and I get an answer from a real person in minutes, and my emails actually get answered the same day if not within 24 hours.... I also really like all of the videos and discussions Zac, Ray and the other guys do on their products........
I love my Ultra 9, takedown 22 and I just got an email that....
MY 338 SR CAN JUST SHIPPED TO MY SOT......
so I don't see a reason to deal with temperamental or fussy manufacturers, people who don't support one of the best shooter sites, and people who can't communicate with customers....
I really like my Sandman L and Sandman K - they are repeatable from a POI shift perspective, and the L is very quiet. They are way overbuilt for a bolt action rifle can though - and you pay a weight penalty accordingly.
Even the short little K feels heavy in your hand, and the L is a brick for offhand shooting. You could strap either of them to a belt fed MG with confidence, and I’m sure they will hold up well to many years of hard use.
They just came out with a new version of the QDC and it's a PRS can. About an inch longer I think. I've been pretty impressed with the QDC in terms of accuracy and what not but yeah, it's not as quiet. Then again it doesn't have much space in there to begin with.
I’ve had great results with an SAS Arbiter in this role. They’ve been around longer than most in this thread, and I have one of their early cans. I still have people ask me what can I have and compliment it’s effectiveness. I have a number of cans but not a TBAC, but lots of friends have them. Quality and performance had always been on par between the two. He doesn’t do a very good job with marketing though.
http://www.suppressedarmament.com/read-more-ARBITER
http://www.suppressedarmament.com/read-more-ARBITER
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They just came out with a new version of the QDC and it's a PRS can. About an inch longer I think. I've been pretty impressed with the QDC in terms of accuracy and what not but yeah, it's not as quiet. Then again it doesn't have much space in there to begin with.
Do yo have the shorty ? mines full size. I do think its a great can built like a tank.
Do yo have the shorty ? mines full size. I do think its a great can built like a tank.
Would Love to hear Frank's thoughts on the fundamentals in this video
And TBACs are the way to go. Look around and you can find them. Worth the extra effort.
Don't let Frank or Phil see these guys prone position..lol
I was referring more to the follow through (or lack thereof). Don't think it is possible to come off the trigger AND the rifle any faster (1:59 in the video)! LOL
We have a lot of TBAC in stock, give us a call
I run a TBAC Ultra 9 on my 30-06 hunting rifle. After Hunting season, I parked the 30-06 and ran over 1000 rounds of .308 and .223 through the Ultra 9 over the next year.
When Hunting season came around again almost a year later, I dusted off the 30-06, spun on the Ultra 9 and the POI was EXACTLY where I had left it. And I mean exactly. This exceeded my expectations.....
Just got my 223 from SAC and I am running a ultra 9 30 cal. and I shot several sub1/4 inch groups. I can’t say enough about TBAC the product the people and the service. I will wait on them it is well worth it. I have little over 10,000 rounds through my ultra 9 in under 4 years. If you want the best sometimes you have to wait and yes it sucks...
@The King, you hit the nail smack on the head with this:
The second you try to get a can to fall off the end of the muzzle on command in 1 turn with locking levers and grandfather clock mechanisms and garden hose parts it seems to go straight to shit.
Thats the G D truth.
Find a solid mounting solution, solid customer service, and buy that can. If it happens to be TBAC, even better.
The second you try to get a can to fall off the end of the muzzle on command in 1 turn with locking levers and grandfather clock mechanisms and garden hose parts it seems to go straight to shit.
Thats the G D truth.
Find a solid mounting solution, solid customer service, and buy that can. If it happens to be TBAC, even better.
Excuse my suppressor noobness, but is there any reason a direct thread isn't the best possible option?
I use the TBAC CB mounts because they recommend those. Their explanation is that the suppressor mating to the tapered surface of the brake mount is superior to the back of the suppressor mating to the 90 degree surface of the barrel shoulder.
I personally like the idea of TBAC threads & metal to TBAC threads and metal when putting the can on an off. I also like not having to worry about it coming loose with the way it mates up to the shoulder......
We can barely get rifle makers to cut normal threads to a machinist's diagram (ie, instead of just cutting it until some old A2 flash hider screws on OK and not measuring anything). But like I said in that other thread, we're happy to make a brake or mount with a rear taper as soon as there's a standard that is good and that people are actually using.
Agree with @Zak Smith
I have a Tikka CTR that came with an ugly thread job. Great shooting gun, love it, but had to get the barrel chopped and rethreaded to take any muzzle device.
I went with the TBAC CB mount and have been very happy.
I have a Tikka CTR that came with an ugly thread job. Great shooting gun, love it, but had to get the barrel chopped and rethreaded to take any muzzle device.
I went with the TBAC CB mount and have been very happy.
Does this imply you don't think what Sig is doing is good enough?
"and that people are actually using. "
Morgan at class3machine looks to be doing a fair amount of SIG/Q taper jobs.
It does not imply that-- it wasn't meant to imply anything about the design of that taper either way. At this point there are an infinitesimal fraction of rifles that have tapered shoulders.
I'm just trying to understand what you meant when you said "standard that is good".
Is your issue that you don't think it's a good option, or that it isn't widely adopted yet?
Until the ASA gets off it's butt and starts providing more leadership in these areas I think it's up to the manufacturers to just start a movement themselves--if everybody is waiting on everybody else nothing ever happens.
My original statement was, "But like I said in that other thread, we're happy to make a brake or mount with a rear taper as soon as there's a standard that is good and that people are actually using." I then added that "it wasn't meant to imply anything about the design of that taper [the Sig taper] either way."
If an industry standard emerges for a muzzle thread arrangement that has a tapered instead of square shoulder, that is both "good" (engineering wise) and "people are actually using" in appreciable numbers, we are happy to support it. From our perspective, the Sig/Q taper is essentially not adopted at all; and I am not making a statement if we think it's good or not good.
If an industry standard emerges for a muzzle thread arrangement that has a tapered instead of square shoulder, that is both "good" (engineering wise) and "people are actually using" in appreciable numbers, we are happy to support it. From our perspective, the Sig/Q taper is essentially not adopted at all; and I am not making a statement if we think it's good or not good.
Mine had the same issue. Unacceptable. I wouldn't jack with trying to shave that piece. Just cut and rethread unless you absolutely want all the barrel length. My CTR 20 became a CTR 18 + TBAC 7 Ultra. Might nice having 2in less barrel.
I have a dedicated TB 338BA Hybrid (ultra core) that is dedicated to my DTA rifle. I’ve also got a Mack Brothers MB762L that I use for most other rifles 30cal and under. The Mack Brothers has a great QD system and has been very repeatable and accurate across multiple rifles out to ranges just short of a mile.
I think we need barrel makers to get on board with a tapered shoulder and you'd see adoption overnight. As is, unless someone comes out with a design that's verifiably better, Q and sig have their technical drawings in the open.
For now, I save the $65 thread cost on my remage barrels and my smith will cut the threads and sig taper for $80.
I haven't had any issue with my sig direct thread can loosening with or without the tapered shoulder. I have seen hit & miss from the other direct threads I've tried.
For now, I save the $65 thread cost on my remage barrels and my smith will cut the threads and sig taper for $80.
I haven't had any issue with my sig direct thread can loosening with or without the tapered shoulder. I have seen hit & miss from the other direct threads I've tried.
We are shipping cans out to dealers on a daily basis; if you want one, the best bet is to check our in-stock finder, which also reveals which dealers have particular models on order
I run both SiCo Omega & TBAC Ultra 7. Both are accurate, no issues with grouping @100 with either.
That said, I feel the Ultra is the better bolt gun specific tool for the job. If running bolt gun only or precision semi (slower rate of fire) I would wait for the TBAC.
Silencers are a plural marriage religion, but you ARE marrying the can no matter how many you end up buying/stamping.
So you may as well marry the very best you can get. Great thing about silencers... it's buy once, cry once. For the most part, you pay your $$ one time and enjoy it for the next decade/10k rounds without paying anything more unless you want an additional accessory part.
If you want flexibility to run it on an AR15 or gas gun doing a mag dump here and there, I'd recommend the SiCo Omega. The end brake actually works for me, especially with .308. It's a great silencer for flex purposes, the Ultra is more specialized tool from my experience.
If going TBAC, I'd go with the .30 as it'll provide the most flexibility for any future rounds. Length is a personal matter, but the 5 seems like the least "value" in terms of putting on a can but not getting as much suppression, and the 9 is past the point of diminishing returns as it gets you some more attenuation over the 7, but if you're always using ear pro, not sure how much 2"/a few decibels is worth to you. I'd run 7 or 9 without hesitation, not so much the only 5" Ultra I heard at a match.
That said, I feel the Ultra is the better bolt gun specific tool for the job. If running bolt gun only or precision semi (slower rate of fire) I would wait for the TBAC.
Silencers are a plural marriage religion, but you ARE marrying the can no matter how many you end up buying/stamping.
So you may as well marry the very best you can get. Great thing about silencers... it's buy once, cry once. For the most part, you pay your $$ one time and enjoy it for the next decade/10k rounds without paying anything more unless you want an additional accessory part.
If you want flexibility to run it on an AR15 or gas gun doing a mag dump here and there, I'd recommend the SiCo Omega. The end brake actually works for me, especially with .308. It's a great silencer for flex purposes, the Ultra is more specialized tool from my experience.
If going TBAC, I'd go with the .30 as it'll provide the most flexibility for any future rounds. Length is a personal matter, but the 5 seems like the least "value" in terms of putting on a can but not getting as much suppression, and the 9 is past the point of diminishing returns as it gets you some more attenuation over the 7, but if you're always using ear pro, not sure how much 2"/a few decibels is worth to you. I'd run 7 or 9 without hesitation, not so much the only 5" Ultra I heard at a match.
The availability site only works for suppressors. I'm trying to get a rifle finished (threaded) and need a 30CB (5/8x24) muzzle brake, that will take a suppressor, any idea when/where some may be available? Any info appreciated.
Hi, your best bet on those is to try our biggest dealers and then give us a call. We get brakes back from plating all the time and we can put you "on the list"
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