Calling corrections without a reticle

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Hey everyone, I’m curious as to how you go about calling corrections for your shooter when you’re using an optic without a reticle. Are there any tricks? Or just estimate the distance and convert it to MOA/MIL. Thanks ??
 
when i use a scope without a reticle or talking to multiple shooters with different value systems i will use the target as a reference.


ie half target low 2 targets left they can use whatever system they have and make a correction themselves

This is essentially the only way to accurately do it, unless you use some other identifiable object dimension that both the shooter and spotter can see (not sure why one would do that, say switch to the width of a tree-trunk that was visible).

My Spotter 45 has a H32 in it (MIL) but I can somewhat quickly convert for the MOA guys in my head (generally small corrections are rather easy mentally).
 
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Okay. I started thinking about this because I’m looking into getting a spotter, but budget MOA reticle spotters are pretty much non-existent. I wonder if it would be easy enough to get a MIL reticle spotter and just have a conversion chart taped to the side. Thoughts?
 
when i use a scope without a reticle or talking to multiple shooters with different value systems i will use the target as a reference.


ie half target low 2 targets left they can use whatever system they have and make a correction themselves

This is the only real way. Hold on the left edge of plate, hold left edge halfway down plate, etc.

Giving me corrections in inches or feet will make me think you're retarded.
 
As stated above, the only real reference point is the size of your plate.

“Miss just off right edge” “miss half a plate low” etc etc.

And don’t try to imagine what the reticle would likely say. I’ve been on my rifle when doping and seen my miss .4 high from center and the guy on glass without reticle is calling a .1 correction.
 
This is the only real way. Hold on the left edge of plate, hold left edge halfway down plate, etc.

Giving me corrections in inches or feet will make me think you're retarded.

Yeah, target widths is the best way I’ve found. But... I- literally- just finished ROing for the Texas Precision Matches Best in Texas 2019 match, and after being asked after one run, I told a shooter he was about 10 inches high. Why? I knew the target size and converted in my head, not thinking to say “more than 1 but less than 2 targets high.”

Looking through binoculars for 18 squads of shooters, the hardest thing to do was; to watch a shooter struggle and NOT call a correction.

“Hey man, it looked like you were a full rev high...”
“Wah?...” looks at scope... “Fuck.”

“Where was I missing?”
“Looked like off left edge?”
“Really? I was holding left edge.”
“The wind is running right to left...”
“Wah?...” Looks around... “Fuck.”

“I didn’t see any trace from your last 4 shots.”
“Really, I was shooting at “X”?”
Well, that explains it. X was out of my field of view. The target was “Y”.”
“Wah?...” looks at stage booklet... “Fuck.”

“Hey man, your first few shots were really high.”
“Yeah, I didn’t dial down from the last stage...”
 
Yeah, target widths is the best way I’ve found. But... I- literally- just finished ROing for the Texas Precision Matches Best in Texas 2019 match, and after being asked after one run, I told a shooter he was about 10 inches high. Why? I knew the target size and converted in my head, not thinking to say “more than 1 but less than 2 targets high.”

Looking through binoculars for 18 squads of shooters, the hardest thing to do was; to watch a shooter struggle and NOT call a correction.

“Hey man, it looked like you were a full rev high...”
“Wah?...” looks at scope... “Fuck.”

“Where was I missing?”
“Looked like off left edge?”
“Really? I was holding left edge.”
“The wind is running right to left...”
“Wah?...” Looks around... “Fuck.”

“I didn’t see any trace from your last 4 shots.”
“Really, I was shooting at “X”?”
Well, that explains it. X was out of my field of view. The target was “Y”.”
“Wah?...” looks at stage booklet... “Fuck.”

“Hey man, your first few shots were really high.”
“Yeah, I didn’t dial down from the last stage...”
It's like you're reenacting my shooting life stage by stage...
 
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Some of my favorite corrections to call out when RO'ing for a shooter on the clock...

"You see that?"
"No impacto!"
"Oooooooh!"
"You've got a nice group printed in the dirt right there."
 
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I use my rifle scope and measure the targets and stands/legs. Center of target to edge is 2 min, to target stand/leg is 3. I can use that to give better calls. We are practicing this now as shooter spotter team, it seems to work well.
 
You can call the miss in target widths and height. If the shooter can’t figure out a currection with that data then there’s probably no helping them anyway so just let them aerate the ground and call it landscaping.
 
Hey everyone, I’m curious as to how you go about calling corrections for your shooter when you’re using an optic without a reticle. Are there any tricks? Or just estimate the distance and convert it to MOA/MIL. Thanks ??
You an your side kick need to be on the same page before passing the L/D or loading the weapon. If you don't know the target size, always call the correction from the center of the target, (where you want the bullet) in 1, 3/4, 1/2, 1/4, 1/8, target size. Once your side kick an you have enough experience, you can change to the std calls using a ret. Learn IPHY, MOA, & Mil an be able to do it w/o thinking about the conversion from one to another. In some venues time is not your friend an once you pull the trigger you just told the world your there. Make the most of the first one, but be fast on the second as live targets tend to move if they have half a brain.
 
I call the clock face position for anything other than perfect vertical or horizontal and use width of target for distance.

So 2 o’clock, 1/2 target off.

They can use the reticle to find out what 1/2 target equals and adjust accordingly.
 
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I call the clock face position for anything other than perfect vertical or horizontal and use width of target for distance.

So 2 o’clock, 1/2 target off.

They can use the reticle to find out what 1/2 target equals and adjust accordingly.


This is how I do it and works well spotting for various shooters. Except every once in a while you get that really sheltered guy that has somehow never fucking heard somebody use clock positions as reference for anything
 
I call the clock face position for anything other than perfect vertical or horizontal and use width of target for distance.

So 2 o’clock, 1/2 target off.

They can use the reticle to find out what 1/2 target equals and adjust accordingly.
This should be the shooting standard. It doesn’t matter if the shooters scope is in mils or moa, the half target is the same regardless.