They pull some weaver or Waco shit in the Information Age they better have a good outside perimeter. Because the threats won't just be in the house they are trying to murder women and children in.
Suppressors Could the Government Successfully Ban Suppressors
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Op-Ed Argues Trump More Of A Gun Control President Than Obama
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The harm Obama did was to pack the courts with Judges who believe that is is the moral duty of the intellectual elite to rule us. The good President Trump is doing is appointing Judges who believe as our founders did.
I respectfully disagree about scoped rifles being next. Not that they don't want them, they want it all. The issue for the anti's is that the target is too large. Their strategy, and it is a good one. is pick off the small stuff first. You know, bump stocks, suppressors, etc. They are playing the long game. Whittle away on small stuff until nothing is left. Also, a large part of their fundraising and get out the vote is based upon abortion and guns. If they lose those hot button issues, even through a complete victory, they lose momentum. They would need to trot out some more of the Democrat Freak Show issues and beat the drums. You can only go so far on gay/trans issues.
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Imho...
Could they ban silencers? Sure
Could literally anyone with very basic knowledge of a lathe and mill make their own silencers? Yes.
Could they ban silencers? Sure
Could literally anyone with very basic knowledge of a lathe and mill make their own silencers? Yes.
Ive heard this stated several times and i cant let it pass anymore. I let my initial reaction pass over a few days but i think there needs to be a refresher on what Obama/Holder did in his 8 years.
Lets start with Trump
- bump stock ban
(completely stupid, ridiculous regulation based on nothing factual. Terrible move)
Now, Obama:
- made a rule that required the Social Security Administration to report disability-benefit recipients with mental health conditions to the FBI’s background check system. *Trump reversed that
- 41F pushed through which destroyed NFA gun trusts. He cried on TV about it like a little bitch. Now its responsible persons forms, fingerprints and pictures for every Form submitted from Trusts and all RPs.
- Holder required all border states FFLs to report multiple semi-auto firearm purchases by a buyer at one time, to the FBI. This was in direct violation of FOPA.
- banned the import of 7n6 ammo
-Obama signed EOs banning import of guns from Russian Arms Manufacturers like Saiga and VEPR.
-Obama signed EO banning import of surplus US military rifles which kept a ton of M1s from entering the CMP for sale to the public.
- FAST AND FURIOUS was an illegal gun running scheme to supply cartels and then trace the guns back to the USA and drum up support for a gun ban in America. Luckily it failed, but it got a bunch of people killed, including LEOs.
with all of that stated, and unless ive missed some heavy duty gun control stuff Trump has done, how can anyone say Trump has been more anti-gun than Obama? its simply false.
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It depends on your exact gun trust and how it was setup.
If you get one done up by a lawyer who knows how all the details on trusts and the 41F work, you will probably only need to have 1 person submit fingerprints and pictures.
True, but the change made to only require one responsible person to send in picture and fingerprints forces the removal of all other trustees for the duration of the submittal/approval period (currently averaging 9-10 months). For this entire period, the removed trustees cannot not have direct access to or be in possession of the suppressor without the direct presence of the singular trustee still remaining on the trust. In other words, they lose all the benefits of being participants in the trust.
A pretty decent solution in circumventing all these issues while still maintaining the benefits of a trust is a “Single Shot Trust. “
Good thing marijuana will probably be legal everywhere within the next 10 years. I wonder how many people are going to die from that? Surely a lot more than have died from suppressors.
Don't worry, if you go deaf from shooting a braked 338, you can get some pot to numb your pain.
Don't worry, if you go deaf from shooting a braked 338, you can get some pot to numb your pain.
Just curious; what is the story on this photo?
Cliven Bundy ‘Protesters’ Allegedly Pointed Rifles at Feds
Six men are on trial for their role in an armed standoff that thwarted federal agents from taking cattle from Cliven Bundy—and it almost cost lives, according to the prosecution.
www.thedailybeast.com
My prediction is that there'll be about 1.3 million boating accidents when they try to ban suppressors.
I'm still trying to determine if there have only been 1.3 million suppressors registered since 1934 or only during the year of 2016.
The source documents that I got off of cyber space are not clear.
If there have only been 1.3 million suppressors registered since 1934, then that figure seems very low. Is there anyone else who agrees?
The ASA has a petition going:
americansuppressorassociation.com
It may be a drop in the bucket, but thought I would at least relay it.
- American Suppressor Association
Your ability to own suppressors is under attack! Sen. Menendez and Rep. Coleman want to ban and confiscate suppressors nationwide! We cannot allow them to succeed! Sen. Bob Menendez (D-NJ) and Rep. Bonnie Coleman (D-NJ-12) want to ban the sale of suppressors. Their assault on your Second...
americansuppressorassociation.com It may be a drop in the bucket, but thought I would at least relay it.
Signed and submitted!The ASA has a petition going:
- American Suppressor Association
Your ability to own suppressors is under attack! Sen. Menendez and Rep. Coleman want to ban and confiscate suppressors nationwide! We cannot allow them to succeed! Sen. Bob Menendez (D-NJ) and Rep. Bonnie Coleman (D-NJ-12) want to ban the sale of suppressors. Their assault on your Second...
It may be a drop in the bucket, but thought I would at least relay it.
President Trump needs to hear from you on suppressors! | GOA
President Trump needs to hear from you on suppressors! Please take action below and warn President Trump NOT to ban firearm suppressors. Urge Trump NOT to Wage War on the 2nd Amd. or Against His Own Political Base President Trump won the White House because he actually listened to Americans like...
gunowners.org Goa has a letter to trump you can sign.
Yep. But since it’s a nfa item. It’s your ass that’s responsible. There will be no I lost it. You have to produce it on the spot or face the consequences
What about those suppressor owners who have changed addresses since the purchase?
Are we required to notify the ATF if we’ve moved?
With that said, the CLEO in a new county/state would not know if the new resident had any suppressors.
Given the reputation for government efficiency the ATF may not be able to track down any owners who have moved.
Please correct me if I’m wrong on this.
Not actually a government its 535 people assuming the role of elites to rule over 300 million sheep. For the life of me I can't figure out why the 300 million sheep coward to the 535 elites, baffling to say the least.
Suppressors are redundant if you really look at, the target would never hear the sound anyway. Ear plugs are way cheaper.
Suppressors are redundant if you really look at, the target would never hear the sound anyway. Ear plugs are way cheaper.
Unless things have changed you have to/should fill out a, I believe, a form 20 after you move. It's been a few years since I've purchased and looked into what you need to do but it was something to that effect.
As for the local police I doubt things have changed much since 41p and most just look at the form you are supposed to send them and they just look at it and think wtf is this and shred it.
I do agree that one iif the biggest advantages to us is the bureacy / extreme inefficiency of the government.
In the end it will come down to state and local le on enforcement of oppression or protection of freedom
I looked into it. The back of the Form 4 says that you only have to notify the ATF in writing of the change of address.
From the Form 4...
"Unless currently licensed under the Gun Control Act, the registrant shall notify the NFA Division, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and
Explosives, 244 Needy Road, Martinsburg, WV 25405, in writing, of any change to the address in item 2a."
So the best thing to do is merely let them know what your new address is. The instructions don't say if you have to remind them of what you have.
So the letter could read...
"This letter is to inform you that my new address is..."
Unless they ask for it, there is no need to volunteer to them the make, model and serial number of the suppressor.
That is not true, as the lawful owner you can send a letter indicating it was destroyed.
Don't you have to prove it was destroyed? Otherwise there will be millions of letters saying their can(s) were/are destroyed.
We’re supposed to trust our government. So they ought to trust us.
Perhaps I am missing something...
If a federal ban comes and we are forced to turn over or destroy our cans... what is the point of saying you did, yet didn’t? It’s not like you can show up anywhere publicly to a match and run it.
Short of having a large amount of property where no one will see you or crying next to it at night while remembering the days of old, it seems pointless.
If a federal ban comes and we are forced to turn over or destroy our cans... what is the point of saying you did, yet didn’t? It’s not like you can show up anywhere publicly to a match and run it.
Short of having a large amount of property where no one will see you or crying next to it at night while remembering the days of old, it seems pointless.
I think some are hoping to hide them for use on communists when the time is right.
I however think that freedom lost may actually be lost for a lot longer than the hopeful think.
The ranks of those willing to fight and die for freedom are very thin and only getting thinner as time goes on.
So how many will continue to buy suppressors? In an attempt to buy before a ban comes. Or do half the crowd just accept it and quit buying before the ban goes in. The problem is it takes so long between purchase and pickup. It’s not like running out to local gun store and clearing out their inventory.
At the moment I wouldn't put too much worry Vulture. Nothing so far has come from trumps comment and more than likely anything filed or in current owners hands will be grandfathered.
It kinda is. When you purchase a suppressor, it has to exist. You don't buy a serial number, you buy an actual suppressor with a serial number assigned only after it's been built. So, there's a limited number of 'available' suppressors for sale at any given time. The manufactures have to purchase their own 'stamp' for each suppressor they build in addition to the normal overhead any other manufacture sees. I would imagine that's why you often have to wait for a popular suppressor to come in stock before you can purchase it.
The one thing that stopped me from buying any cans before was the CLEO sign off.
Going to the Sheriff to grovel for his signature was too much. It was as bad as having to smell Rashida Tlaib's you-know-what.
When they did away with that, seeing the improvements in materials, manufacturing and sales; it was enough to convince me to buy.
Got 10 last year and I'm going to get a few more.
I've lived on the edge for years and almost lost my life once. So, worrying about tomorrow is something that doesn't occur to me right now.
If you can afford it; go ahead and purchase your can(s). The more I shoot with those ballistic mufflers on the end of my bang sticks, the more I like them.
It's the most fun that you can have with your pants on.
I put my most recent one because of trump being a wildcard and doing crazy shit that makes no sense. At least i told my wife that. 
If there is a ban, I'm thinking we would most likely get grand fathered and get to keep what we have. Just like the ban in 94 with them scary assault weapon things that are supposedly being sold.
I would hope. Are bumpstocks allowed to be grandfathered in or was it a flat out ban across the board?
Flat out ban across the board and confiscation of your lawfully owned property without any compensation.
I could see them trying to do the same thing with "pistol braces".
Suppressors, since ownership is written into law, will be a bit of a different story, they will have to change the actual law, or pull a stunt like EO not letting the ATF spend any money on processing tax stamp payments.
Cliven Bundy ‘Protesters’ Allegedly Pointed Rifles at Feds
Six men are on trial for their role in an armed standoff that thwarted federal agents from taking cattle from Cliven Bundy—and it almost cost lives, according to the prosecution.www.thedailybeast.com
The tactical error that this person made was being in a location where he could be seen.
To the OP and original question, the title to the thread, it is a very simple "yes".
What comes after is the real question.
What comes after is the real question.
That was the reason for the operative word; "successfully."
And I respectfully disagree with you on the scoped rifles. I recall very clearly, after the UT massacre (shooting from the tower) ALL scoped rifles were "sniper rifles" that hunters "did not need" and were of "no real sporting purpose" and "made it easier to kill from longer distances" (no shit). These along with "Saturday night specials" were the main targets of gun control until the school shooting in Stockton CA with an AK-47 in the '80's. It's been "assault weapons" ever since. Once the assault weapons are taken care of, they'll be back at the scoped rifles once more.
And I'll define "successfully" as passed legislation that stands up to court review to at least Appeals Court. My answer stands as "yes".
My qualifier after that was what comes next and the actual enforcement of said law. That is what is up for question.
Then as proved in England the insanity won't stop there, then they will come after your swords, daggers and tactical knives.
Then they will come after your kitchen knives and utility knives...
Then as just shown in another post here this morning the police will be trumpeting the seizure of "terrible weapons" consisting of a pair of pliers, a screwdriver, a pair of scissors, a gardening tined trowl and butter knives from your silverware drawer.
That is literally how insane the people who want to ban your guns are.
They literally want you to be eating with your bare hands and not even have common repair tools for your house or vehicle.
They truly want you to be dumb helpless naked little sheep that rely on them to deliver pre cooked meals in paper containers in exchange for their votes.
I again disagree. The 50+ year old data you bring up came from a time when a reasonable % of hunters still did not use scopes. Today I suspect less than 1% hunt with iron sights outside special primitive seasons. Many have never used iron sights.
Grabbers will continue to go after the low number items. To do otherwise would expose
their hand.
You are welcome to your opinion and I will not further debate it. Whatever they go for, it will be bad. If they push too hard it could backfire on them.
Once roof top voting begins, it will more than a formality to me,...
An with nothing to lose all rules go out the window.With that posted,...does that adjust my S/media score to the positive or negative? An why should I care?
Let’s hope Trump reads this:
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...r-ban-may-cause-pro-gun-voters-abandon-trump/
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...r-ban-may-cause-pro-gun-voters-abandon-trump/
Right on! I'll also raise a $200 point. As you know
Each registered can owner specifically paid the govt that for the right to legally own it. The govt. will have a legal shitstorm
to deal with if they try to outlaw can's the way they did bump stocks for a couple reasons.
1. Can's are very specifically legally owned. Manuf, serial #, etc...all recorded on their form.
2. Said can's owned by adults with $$$, not just 1-300 thousand folks that paid $100-500 bucks for something that well
could be plastic depending on price. With cans we have approximately 1.3 million owners with financial resources to backup their INVESTMENTS.
3. Legal class action lawsuit against the govt's illegal attempt to take goods without just compensation comes to mind.
The list continues but you guys get my drift. Some of my cans were a grand each, I'm fighting to keep them if it comes to
that. Legally of course, nothing is worth getting killed or imprisoned over that's replaceable.
Are you saying losing your freedom an property are not worth fighting for, an you would prefer to live on your knees?
In response to the OP, I'm from Canada and as far as I know, long gun registration was cancelled because of the colossal waste of money it was with no benefit. We eventually got a conservative leader in with enough brains to figure it out eventually. Our gun laws here are made by people who have watched too many movies, or think that the problems in other countries are inherently our problems as well. Suppressors are illegal here because they "silence" your gun, which unless you get your gun facts from 80's action movies, you know isn't true. That doesn't stop them though. Our liberal government just announced they will ban "assault style rifles" if they are elected again. Mass shootings in Canada are extremely rare, and the type of guns they are going after aren't even the ones used in them. But, if it happens in America, or anywhere else in the world, it's worth banning here too apparently. Just wait until they try and limit ammunition. They won't even need to take your guns after that. People will be handing them in voluntarily because they can't even shoot them anymore.
