Movie Theater Chernobyl HBO Series
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I watched it and enjoyed it very much. It's amazing how much effort they put into covering it up. Very sad, but not surprising.
Sure is. I think at first they didnt want to accept the severity of the events that happened. Then when they learned how bad it was, it shifted to coverup.
Nuclear is the only zero emission base load energy source.
Chernobyl happened because of people. Reactor design that needed to be operated a certain way. Graphite tipped control rods, human error, human error, more human errors.... Typical Russian culture mentally..... Then after all that the blindness to the result of the above that it couldn't happen.
Fukushima. That was mother nature reminding the human race how insignificant you really are. We have all now prepared for beyond design basis accidents. New reactor tech is here in progress that allows a hands off walk away shut down with no human interaction.
the go to navada a lime stone cave by rail , and yes it leaks x or oozes radiation . So to the bottom of the sea they go not that I know that Its just a guess which ever choice takes the least money and effort is usually the more likely . as clean as the energy is the waist has a 10,000 year 1/2 life or more . funny sort of tid bit the under ground water in the area around yucca mountian gives off high amounts of radiation . so Its not safe there either .
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Solar and wind could be zero emission energy source alternatives along with hydro. Nuclear is a bad bet. Something will eventually happen and it will be irreversible.
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I have been debating on watching this as well. I was in England when it happened and we had the cloud cover us.
I watched it last night. At least the first three episodes. They told me they only had disc one at the video store so I'm guessing there are further episodes. Seemed like a good scenario for the deployment of some sort of specialized robot. But of course those would cost way more than hiring some guy for a few dollars and covering things up when an accident happens. In my opinion, nuclear is not a good choice. The consequences are too severe and irreversible. Wind, solar, and hydro are much safer environmentally. The entire desert southwest could be run on solar they are discovering now, half of the country's population. Makes a lot of sense to me and it just tells you how powerful the various fossil fuel industries are when it comes to swaying public opinion.
And still not base load. Wind has a capacity factor of 25%, solar ideal CF in the desert Southwest can reach 40%. Utility scale wind is not self sustainable without government subsidies. Takes on the average 1200 wind turbines to replace our one 1200 MWE nuclear plants that has a 98%CF. Used fuel goes to drycask. See https://holtecinternational.com/company/divisions/nuclear-power-division/dry-storage-projects/
I have personally worked on the dry cask at our plant and know the processes involved. Fuel in stainless can, welded closed, set in another SS can welded closed, set in concrete and steel can.
There are some new reactors in development that have more intrinsically built in safety features.
Yeah, I understand your motivation but after 3 Mile Island and Chernobyl and the others more recently like Fukushima with the radiation leaking into the ocean and washing up on the shores of California and Washington State, I think I know all I need to know. It's just not safe. There will always be something upending it, earthquake, whatever and causing a massive catastrophe.
Nuclear power is also not without subsidies. In fact it has been subsidized by governments for 80 years, at a rate exponentially higher than solar and wind. You always hear people say wind and solar are subsidized and the ignorant public always sits there and says, "Yeah, hey, what about that? Them subsidies cost taxpayers money."
The problem is the solar and wind industries aren't sophisticated enough to retort with, "Yeah, hey, what about that. Them nuclear subsidies are massive and have been going on for decades." Tax breaks. Huge government research. Gag orders. Technological secrets. Those are all activities that cost the tax payer as well. And for what, an unstable energy source that the industry keeps saying is stable to save its ass at the expense of the American tax payer and tax payer freedoms such as freedom of speech and freedom of movement, freedom for a clean and safe environment. Forget it. I've seen enough. If you haven't seen enough already there is probably something wrong with you. Unless of course you work in the industry. And then you are just making a living like everyone else.
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SPOILER ALERT
The first episode left me freaked out, as they actually stuck their faces down over the glowing mass of the radioactivity and were handling the "hot" pieces of graphite materials. That freaky glow over the reactor and people standing on the bridge saying "how pretty" it was while radioactive material was falling like snow....
Geesh.
The first episode left me freaked out, as they actually stuck their faces down over the glowing mass of the radioactivity and were handling the "hot" pieces of graphite materials. That freaky glow over the reactor and people standing on the bridge saying "how pretty" it was while radioactive material was falling like snow....
Geesh.
Excellent mini-series, really well done. I have watched it twice now. I picked up the book.
Personally, I think nuclear energy is the “best option” for mass power.
Solar is sufficient on a home by home basis but past that it doesn’t make sense financially. It’ll take years to recoupe the initial financial cost being offset by savings in power. Depending on if your power company buys power from you and at what rate could further delay the savings
Wind doesn’t make sense for the US. In certain areas, yes, but not on the levels we need
Geothermal is interesting
Personally, I think nuclear energy is the “best option” for mass power.
Solar is sufficient on a home by home basis but past that it doesn’t make sense financially. It’ll take years to recoupe the initial financial cost being offset by savings in power. Depending on if your power company buys power from you and at what rate could further delay the savings
Wind doesn’t make sense for the US. In certain areas, yes, but not on the levels we need
Geothermal is interesting
I was not even aware there was a book the series was based on.
The scenes in the hospital with the victims of radiation were very hard to watch. Good God.
The scenes in the hospital with the victims of radiation were very hard to watch. Good God.
But...when a solar panel, or wind power, or steam, geothermal, water or what-not go bad, there is a much lower risk of killing tens of thousands of people and contaminating everything in hundreds of miles.
It does give one pause (or, I hope it will).
I recently read an article about how installing windmills on the open ocean may well be the best solution out there for obtaining constant power with the lowest impact and risk possible.
But...when a solar panel, or wind power, or steam, geothermal, water or what-not go bad, there is a much lower risk of killing tens of thousands of people and contaminating everything in hundreds of miles.
It does give one pause (or, I hope it will).
I recently read an article about how installing windmills on the open ocean may well be the best solution out there for obtaining constant power with the lowest impact and risk possible.
The Danish has windmill farms, makes sense over there. The power lost from having them in US waters and transporting to continental US doesn’t make sense. It probably makes sense for certain states, but the infrastructure would need funding.
The majority of the nuclear incidents are related to human error/competency issues. Sure you have natural causes; like tornadoes, earthquakes, Tsunamis, hurricanes, etc. But proper reactor design and shutdown procedures should mitigate/prevent those results.
Precisely my point...you think that is going to stop being a risk factor?
In my opinion, at the rate of technology advancing, I think solar power is going to be the end of all the hand-wringing over energy and power and we can finally tell very other nation producing oil to go take a hike.
No, I don’t think it’ll stop being a risk factor. None of the other options deliver as much power nor have the efficiencies that nuclear power deliver.
The government is stopping solar tax breaks either this year or next year, which leads me to think the technology is where it is at.
It currently takes anywhere from 5-10 years to recoupe your initial investment in your home for solar energy. That is highly dependent on tax breaks, local ordnance’s on size of solar panels, energy company purchasing access power, etc.
Solar energy in my opinion just isn’t efficient enough nor deliver the power required to be a viable option.
You are thinking short game, brother.
I'm thinking long game. I won't be around to see it, but ... I'm very confident solar and wind is the future.
But, hey, whatever.
I'm thinking long game. I won't be around to see it, but ... I'm very confident solar and wind is the future.
But, hey, whatever.
I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one.
If we are talking truely long term, I think Geothermal presents the best results. Less surface infrastructure, unlimited energy source, less cost, independent on weather, higher efficiencies.
If we are talking truely long term, I think Geothermal presents the best results. Less surface infrastructure, unlimited energy source, less cost, independent on weather, higher efficiencies.
What about fusion energy?
What about warp drive?
Hahaha. Fusion energy was touted to be "clean" nuclear energy decades ago, but the process hasn't been developed to produce it yet. There seem to be some people in this thread that actually have experience or knowledge of the nuclear power industry, so again I'll ask, what about fusion energy? Where is the research at on it's viability? Does anyone know?
I lived in Moscow 1988.
They were still washing the streets daily and an Army of little old ladies would broom the sidewalk dust/debris into the gutters.
I was told it was in response to Chernobyl.
Looked like your typical Communist make work project.
How much energy is required to produce fusion?
Guessing one of the issues is getting there in a controllable way.
Do you need to fission nuke in order to get there?
You know so little it's fucking laughable. But it's obvious there's no use in trying to educate you.
LOL...says the guy who has devoted his time to posting BS here. Party on dude. Congratulations, you have earned a place on my ignore list. Out of sight, out of mind. Mind over matter. I don't mind because you don't matter. Party on.
Well, it looks like somebody doesn't like it if someone has a different opinion. Maybe somebody needs a time out! Go sit in the corner.
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Somewhat similiar thing that happened at Chernobyl happened at Fukushima. This was on last week. Town is quarantined now and you can't enter without permission and you have to wear a suit to keep the dust off of you: https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/japans-nuclear-meltdown/
What it tells us is that the industry, after three catastrophic events already, still hasn't learned. And it won't. Tepco was warned two years in advance of the Tsunami and still did nothing. Watch from about minute 29:00 if you want to get straight to the action. Frontline is clearly also mitigating the severity of it in several statements.
Nuclear power is a non-starter if you ask me.
What it tells us is that the industry, after three catastrophic events already, still hasn't learned. And it won't. Tepco was warned two years in advance of the Tsunami and still did nothing. Watch from about minute 29:00 if you want to get straight to the action. Frontline is clearly also mitigating the severity of it in several statements.
Nuclear power is a non-starter if you ask me.
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Finally!
Meh, I think it’s more or less people who are ignorant to nuclear energy. I work with sources for a living and have a pretty secure opinion about them
This guy is some kind of shill, probably meant to quell any real discussion on the matter or other serious ones not related to the subject at hand in an online community like this. He seems to show up in all kinds of forums talking about all kinds of subjects that nobody could truly know about and he seems to be an expert on all of them. Needless to say, the little bugger has himself all worked up about it
Sounds like somebody gave him a wedgy during recess. Poor little guy. Awwwww. Your cute little Pirate costume didn't get much candy at Halloween? Poor guy. I guess he got keelhauled on the candy thing or something. Pirates. Sheeesh. Can you believe it? They are everywhere these days. Must be the tax break for having children and the withholding on your pay check. Don't even know why they have them? You don't need a tax break for people to have children. Shit, they can't stop breeding in Ethiopia and they eat dirt there. Last edited:
Really enjoyed it. Tragic results.... Humans are pathetic... mainly Soviet political ones...well all political ones.
Had a chance to watch the second disk. Nuclear power is not a solution for a safe planet. If it isn't a design flaw, it will be an act of god, damage incurred during a war, operator error, faulty part, ignorance of the technology that is still not completely understood, penny pinching management, you name it. The risk is too high.
If you think that nuclear energy can't be safe, then ask yourself why....
The hint is to look at the major differences between reactor design for use on military ships versus civilian applications.....you are on the right track
Friend of mine who was there said that in the first episode alone, he counted 9 errors on one hand!
On a serious note, there are some interesting documentaries about this on Youtube. And I am going to get around to watching the series.
It was complete Soviet breakdown in everything from appalling reactor design to ill-thought-out testing.
I remember when it happened. Lots of "Chicken Kiev" jokes as the fallout freakouts happened around the "Ban the Bomb" commie leftists like Jane Fonda.
Bad juju in Ukraine. But the rest of the world felt background noise. I am a big fan of nuclear power... Until Chernobyl, more people had died in Ted Kennedy's car than in all the nuclear power plants in the world. Statistically, it's better for us than just about anything. But since Jane Fonda is against it, lots of fruitbats who know nothing about, say, physics, are going to bray on about Orange Man Bad... er... sorry, Nuclear Energy Bad.
Thanks for the recommendation on this series! I'll make it a point to watch!
Sirhr
On a serious note, there are some interesting documentaries about this on Youtube. And I am going to get around to watching the series.
It was complete Soviet breakdown in everything from appalling reactor design to ill-thought-out testing.
I remember when it happened. Lots of "Chicken Kiev" jokes as the fallout freakouts happened around the "Ban the Bomb" commie leftists like Jane Fonda.
Bad juju in Ukraine. But the rest of the world felt background noise. I am a big fan of nuclear power... Until Chernobyl, more people had died in Ted Kennedy's car than in all the nuclear power plants in the world. Statistically, it's better for us than just about anything. But since Jane Fonda is against it, lots of fruitbats who know nothing about, say, physics, are going to bray on about Orange Man Bad... er... sorry, Nuclear Energy Bad.
Thanks for the recommendation on this series! I'll make it a point to watch!
Sirhr
We should have had a working fusion reactor 20 years ago...
However, it is not aligned with the profit motive associated with crude oil. Nuclear fission keeps that industry profitable.
I think they already had the hole dug 35 years ago.
A viable fusion reactor has not been brought online yet, though the concept has been proven in Germany. Fission is what most people think of when they hear "nuclear power". Two different animals from what I understand, with fission being basically WWII technology showing its age at this point.
I watched this series, thought it was good. One more reason Russia fucking blows, no real surprise.
I watched this series, thought it was good. One more reason Russia fucking blows, no real surprise.
