Murders in Mexico

#51
I don’t want to add to the crazy nonsense some have posted in here, but can you imagine how the liberals in our own government would act if 10 Americans illegally went down to Mexico and killed 8 Cartel members? It would be a madhouse in D.C. and media. But this you barely hear about and when it is reported I wouldn’t doubt they try to spin it as a need for gun control in America cause that is where the cartel get the guns.

We absolutely need to secure our border, and we need to make Mexico clean up their country if they want us to continue trading with them and giving them assistance, but we also need to stop treating drug possession and use as though it’s natural and we need to start REALLY punishing the sale and distribution of drugs so that the “business” of illegal drugs is not profitable. We also need to stop allowing the cartels to make even more money from human trafficking of people coming here for bullshit “asylum”.

But let’s be real, our government and our media will forget about this by the end of the week. The majority of the public will likely forget about this even sooner and definitely won’t remember it when it comes time to talk about &/or vote for closing the border.
 
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#52
brianf said:
The world needs a big bad guy.
We have been so dominant for so many years that people forget.
Do you think all the socialist crap would be going on if the USSR was still around.
The works need a “bad guy” that the USA can “focus” on and then let the the little turf wars play out.
Their gone, no one fears China nuking us.
Years ago a phone call would be through channels and the cartel would be taken care of by a proxy or by a A team “allowed” in the country.
Aka..banana wars in the 90’s
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I agree with most of this, but we do have failing socialist countries to point at as “the bad guy” but we a media, a education system and the majority of our government that cover it up as much as they can because the want to pretend it’s plausible so they can get elected/get more power. Ever wonder why huge, highly profitable corporations would advocate for socialist policies that would ruin their companies if those policies were ever put in place? It’s Because they want to pretend like they are for socialist policies so the misinformed radicals don’t see those huge corporations as part of the problem and try to tear them down.
 
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#53
SilentStalkr said:
Um, we didn’t say become terrorists and take every living thing out! Geez. Don’t fool yourself. We know where most of the cartels are all the way down to the street trafficking guys. Start wiping them out. You got to use some intel. Mexico is a different animal than AFG. There are good people in all of these places that have to deal with this shit everyday. I’m most certain we could rid ourselves of the problem quickly, with minimal collateral damage if we so chose to. And I’d bet the local good people wouldn’t mind us helping them keep it that way if we can work out some economical provisions. Problem is, as I’ve said, it’s a cash cow. You’d be crazy if you didn’t think the US gov was making money off of this shit in some capacity. We need these people to feed the machine. Same goes for NK. That’s why everyone knows they need these people. If we wanted that short little asshole in NK gone he’d be gone. Problem is, we don’t really want him gone. I’d say America has been pretty restrained in its efforts in policing, too restrained. Let’s put it this way, if we don’t start doing something soon it’s going to be on the doorstep of middle America here shortly. Hell in some places it already is.

Unfortunately, as you know, we’ve created a lot of the problems we face here at home and abroad. On one hand we should bring our people home and let the world police themselves, save our money and our men and concentrate on efforts here. On the other hand if we were to do that lots of bad shit will rise in the wake of what we left so it’s better to stay there and keep the battle from coming to us as much as we can. There isn’t any easy simple answers to this problem. A wall is just a small part of what really needs to happen. But, as you said, there are too many dipshits running the country and many more voting them in office.
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Damn, you beat me to it while I was typing my response. These are VERY complex problems, but we could do it if we wanted to. How to do it isn’t the biggest problem, enough people setting aside differences and agreeing to do it is the biggest problem. ACTUALLY doing it is the second biggest problem.
 
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TheGerman said:
Be careful what you ask for.

With fighting the cartels, you run into a lot of the same problems that you do fighting people in Afghanistan, and we all know how awesome that's going.

Outside of the tribal mentality, which the seperate cartels sort of have, you'll be fighting a non uniformed enemy that would instantly become an insurgency against any FID operations for a country that doesn't really even want you there and will hamstring you at every turn.

The reason cartel 'members' exist in numbers are also roughly the same; shitty economy and no real career path outside of dead end agricultural stuff, being a poor farmer/goat herder/whatever and hope you don't die of dysentary, work the drug fields and randomly get shot for no reason or join the cartel/local flavor of the month Taliban by choice or force and at least get a chance at some cash and adventure.

With an indifferent at best foreign government we'd have the same ROE bullshit and would end up ineffectively doing anything well except creating more home grown cartel members to fight in an insurgency. That leads to yet another bogged down, protracted 'war' which will only net us the absolute worst thing possible - refugees.

Build the wall. Secure the border. Take away anything resembeling a benefit. Then go from there.


To Add: I could see some DA operations taking place if Mexico wants it or not. The amount of intel we have and could be gathered on this is probably obscene. I could see making a point that this shit has consequences.
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Bomb their mansions. Bomb their weddings. Bomb their funerals. Bomb their facilities. Just drop a bunch of fucking bombs everywhere.

Don't even send troops. Just send drones with bombs.

Bomb the fuck out of all of them at every opportunity.
 
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M8541Reaper said:
All of this x 1,000.

It’s pretty apparent by some of the responses in here that the level of ignorance and sheer lack of understanding how shit works is off the charts. Some even advocating for the US to commit genocide and annex land. Fuckin blows my mind thinking that some of these people are allowed to vote and walk among us.

lol if we did what some here say “they would do if up to them” it would make what we dealt with/are still dealing with in the ME look like fucking amateur hour.
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It's you who doesn't understand.

What we are doing in the middle east is a half assed, half hearted attempt at winning, strangled by countless "laws" we probably didn't even vote on and on retarded ROEs.

What we're talking about here is warfare the likes of which hasn't been done in at least several centuries. Savagery so brutal that no one would dare rise up, mostly because there might not be that many left to rise. Genocide? Sure, whatever the fuck it takes for them to get the fucking message. But not a slow genocide like Sarajevo. A fast, extremely brutal, extremely violent kind of "genocide" that leaves no doubt about what we mean and what we will do if confronted.

Hell, just 75 years ago we were firebombing cities in Japan and killing men, women, and children wholesale and deliberately.

The rest of the fucking world can shout at the fucking moon for all I care. We have the resources and the weapons of mass destruction to go it alone.

No, it's you who doesn't understand. It can certainly be done in Mexico and in the middle east though we should get the fuck out of the ME and let them kill each other.

The problem is that men with the balls to do what needs to be done without remorse or concern are getting fewer and fewer.

PS, that brutality needs to extend to protesters here too.
 
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FS1 said:
Do you guys think the Cartels only own Mexican politicians? Pull back the curtain and see if the Cartels are the masters or the slaves.
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Right, and with a few direct actions enough Intel on who's on the take can be gathered for a quick trial and an even quicker hanging.
 
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armorpl8chikn said:
So.....you are against a thousand miles long alligator filled moat?
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2aBaCa said:
There's already a moat, just add alligators.
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M8541Reaper said:
I think bull sharks would be more effective. Alligators do as they want and next thing you know, you’ll have em in your swimming pool and mud rooms lol.
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Can we add top secret high powered lasers to these gators? You know the type that just cuts arms off when the gators peek their eyes out of the water? I’m sure Feinstein would approve as they wouldn’t be fully semi automatic lasers.

FS1 said:
Do you guys think the Cartels only own Mexican politicians? Pull back the curtain and see if the Cartels are the masters or the slaves.
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Exactly...I think some would be shocked just what money flows in and from whom. All the more reason why we need a good honest audit!!!

Dunraven said:
as long as the market exists(drug use), the delivery system will also.
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Sadly that is correct. We have to address lots of issues here in the US to. It’s truly a multi front kind of deal.
 
#62
"His predecessors waged war and it didn't work." LOL.

It worked well enough they weren't spilling over our borders and invading our country. They are going to get help whether they want it or not if their shit keeps spilling over here. I would consider their current government complicit considering the advances the cartel has made under their watch.
 
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supercorndogs said:
"His predecessors waged war and it didn't work." LOL.

It worked well enough they weren't spilling over our borders and invading our country. They are going to get help whether they want it or not if their shit keeps spilling over here. I would consider their current government complicit considering the advances the cartel has made under their watch.
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Who you quoting?
 
#64
SilentStalkr said:
Who you quoting?
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"In a tweet, President Donald Trump immediately offered to help Mexico "wage WAR on the drug cartels and wipe them off the face of the earth." But Mexican President Andrés Manuel López Obrador rejected that approach, saying his predecessors waged war, "and it didn't work."

The president of Mexico and the article posted.
 
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We and Mex both know exactly who is who. A covert op could get most very quickly. When the seals got involved with Escobar he went down quickly.

The SEALS were flying civi aircraft montitoring comms. At least that is how I understand it.
 
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308pirate said:
Right, and with a few direct actions enough Intel on who's on the take can be gathered for a quick trial and an even quicker hanging.
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There have been quite a few folks that presented evidence that it's not just a "few rogue" folks in our government that are in on the drug trafficking and the drug money, but rather it's big business for various of our intelligence and Federal agencies.

You won't get a quick list of a couple folks in on the take to get rid of. You are talking about a big block of the government that is in on the deal.
 
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As if there wasn't enough wasted money on the 'war on drugs" they doubled down with the 'Opiod Crisis".
Meanwhile....our elected are pointing at the squirrel. We shouldn't be worried about a billionaire that went into politics. We should be looking for the politicians that became multi millionaire.
 
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DarnYankeeUSMC said:
As if there wasn't enough wasted money on the 'war on drugs" they doubled down with the 'Opiod Crisis".
Meanwhile....our elected are pointing at the squirrel. We shouldn't be worried about a billionaire that went into politics. We should be looking for the politicians that became multi millionaire.
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Yep the pay to play we have seen with Clintons, Obama is bizzare is like some 3rd world corruption yet no one gives a fuck. Waiting for blackbarry the community organiser to hit 100+mio $ on his Hollypedowood retrement package.
 
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#74
Douglas is where I do my practice/development shooting. I was there just this past Friday.

A lot of what I'm reading here is really kinda missing some important points.

Those of us who live here are not staring over a nearby precipice; we are treading water in the midst of a vast pool of Cartel/Trafficker activity. Crossing over into The Mex and dealing death and destruction is simply invasive international warfare and domestic political suicide. As much as the knee jerks, the mind needs to consider all of the different types of consequences. Stepping over such lines are fully capable of vastly altering the playing field for the worse.

I live 50 miles North of Douglas.

We already have frequent Cartel/Trafficker activity right in our midst. They infiltrate right through and past our little village probably several times each month. For now, they're evasive and stealthy. But they are fully capable of simply bulldozing their way through with much ordnance disposal. Our bacon is suspended just above the fire, and the CBP, ICE, and Deputies constitute our only local LE. Many of these people are actual personal friends. When seconds count, they could be as much as a half an hour away, and if the Cartels wanted to, they could inundate them on the ground even when they bring their entire LE forces out at play. There is no fence, there is no wall. They are highly outnumbered and thin on the ground doing dozens of different tasks at any given moment anywhere within that band that extends 50mi North from the Border.

Which brings us to the questions about how do the individual citizen gun owners fit into all of this. We are not LE, and have no means of interfacing ourselves with them in times that can still really get a whole lot badder. There is no play book, and interposing ourselves could get us and a lot of other nice people dead, dead, dead. Friendly fire isn't. Our best efforts could end up being serious interference. This would be taking place right where I live, and my family would definitely be in the crossfire.

So when we think about the Border, let's be thinking in terms of the actual ground truth.

Greg
 
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#77
What happened is absolutely horrible. On the other hand, some people think they are "untouchable".
Like going to some really dangerous places, living there and expecting to be O.K. at all times. It is their own choice, and their choice is not obviously being in a complete compliance with local conditions. U.S. should probably hit back real hard to set a precident and kill as many "bad guys" as possible, but some of the "good guys" should learn how not to become a dead meat.
 
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kortik said:
What happened is absolutely horrible. On the other hand, some people think they are above the God.
Like going to some really dangerous places, living there and expecting to be O.K. at all times. It is their own fucking choice, and their choice is not obviously being in a complete compliance with local conditions. U.S. should probably hit back real hard to set a precident and kill as many "bad guys" as possible, but some of the "good guys" should learn how not to become a dead meat.
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There have been productive and peaceful communities of Mormons living in Mexico for almost 150yrs. Way before it became a cartel warzone. It's their home. To say someone thinks they are above God because they dont leave is a bit extreme.
 
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#82
Mexico needs these guys now more than ever.
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2aBaCa said:
There have been productive and peaceful communities of Mormons living in Mexico for almost 150yrs. Way before it became a cartel warzone. It's their home. To say someone thinks they are above God because they dont leave is a bit extreme.
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? (and not at you, either)
 
#84
2aBaCa said:
There have been productive and peaceful communities of Mormons living in Mexico for almost 150yrs. Way before it became a cartel warzone. It's their home. To say someone thinks they are above God because they dont leave is a bit extreme.
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May be, but situation obviously changed from 150 years ago. There are a lot of examples when people have to leave the place, despite the history of living there for a long time. Or people go to places where it is not safe to be. Or some people buy stocks over the phone from "boiler rooms" and then become victims of their own judgement. This is what I mean, nothing else.
 
#85
sirhrmechanic said:
Los Pepes...

Took apart Pablo Escobars organization in just a few months.

By taking the gloves off 100 percent.

Hard men doing nasty things... but Pablo ended up dead in a roof with a 7mm in his medulla!
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Los Pepes didn’t kill him. SF killed him. Strong rumors say his name was Dave. Dave will not confirm this but if you ask him he will smirk. Not joking. Officially the Colombians killed him but no one believes they made a 75 yard running head shot.
FS1 said:
We and Mex both know exactly who is who. A covert op could get most very quickly. When the seals got involved with Escobar he went down quickly.

The SEALS were flying civi aircraft montitoring comms. At least that is how I understand it.
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LOL no. Intelligence Support Activity and other JSOC and USASOC units.
 
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There are no more political solutions- not for the culture war the democrats have intentionally forced on America, and not for the war with cartel terrorism that's caused the fall of mexico. Again, Mexico has FALLEN, and is controlled by the cartel terrorists and their puppet politicians.

It's astoundingly ignorant and short sighted to think we're not already at war, from within and without, and slowly losing our Republic.
 
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RyanScott said:
Los Pepes didn’t kill him. SF killed him. Strong rumors say his name was Dave. Dave will not confirm this but if you ask him he will smirk. Not joking. Officially the Colombians killed him but no one believes they made a 75 yard running head shot.
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100 percent... but Los Pepes flushed the quarry, and took the organization apart to the point where Escobar was a hiding, simpering, powerless fugitive. And of course Los Pepes we’re just simple Columbians, too. Ah hahahhahahhahahaja...

We simply lack the Will to deal with non-state actors and with the demand-side effectively.

sirhr
 
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Dirty D said:
Singapore seems to have a cure for the demand.
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So do the Communist Chinese or the Muslims in Malaysia

Funny how it's probably mostly Liberals/SJWs/Democrats that want to do all the drugs and they love the communists and the Muslims, who would kill them for their drug use.........
 
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W54/XM-388 said:
So do the Communist Chinese or the Muslims in Malaysia

Funny how it's probably mostly Liberals/SJWs/Democrats that want to do all the drugs and they love the communists and the Muslims, who would kill them for their drug use.........
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The leftists will always support whatever Conservatives are opposed to.

Things that Conservatives support - are things leftists oppose.

It isn’t about representation, or what’s right. It’s about control and power.
 
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I feel sorry for the kids, and family, but damn, when you live in a violent, 3rd world shithole, that even the natives want to leave. What do you expect? Your in a country that experienced 35,964 murders last year, uh common sense says to eject, but that's just me.
Kinda like Otto Warmbier(sp?), going to North Korea. What do you mean, your surprised by the outcome? Really?
 
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