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Gunsmithing MPA Rifle extraction problems

Mark Watson

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New rifle, went through the break in using 140 American Gunner ammo, five singles, three triples, cleaning after each. All extracted extremely hard...
Them I did ladders and most needed to be tapped gently with a rubber mallet to get the bolt started. All chambered normal. Ideas?
 

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First, I would stop sooner because something is wrong if you need a hammer. Did it start out like that or just after cleaning? You may have some solvent in the chamber causing the issue.
 
Most of the cleaning barely left anything on the patches. I did break in yesterday, put a patch through dry before starting ladders today.
Shot well though...
 

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Not on the sides, only at the end, but only a few... this was the worst one.

My new MPA (in 6.5CM) rifle does the same, leaves the chamfered edge of the neck mangled. Need to press the neck down on sand paper and rotate the case to remove it. Happens on 30% of the cases. Cases are getting shorter as a result, not growing... Don’t like this behavior either.

The MPA has a “match chamber” cut into the barrel, which is on the tight side. Probably not your standard SAAMI chamber. Shorter freebore (a 140 ELD-M factory round is supposedly ending up with 5 thou jump), and tighter than normal necks. My Alpha brass was around 15 thou neck thickness and the fired brass just barely allowed a bullet to fall into the case. Some resistance there, so i turned them down to 13.2 thou. [You will need to measure your cases, this could have contributed. Your ideal neck thickness will likely be a little different from mine.

I loaded a new batch of 140 Berger Hybrids yesterday at 0.3 grain less than before (H4350) and the damage to the necks went away. Bolt also opened real easy.

I have tried factory 140 gn ammo (Berger factory 140 Match ammo, which uses the Berger Hybrid bullet in Lapua brass), and this batch ran real fast (2820 to 2840 fps), and cause a fairly stiff bolt lift. It also pierced three primers, and had very bad cratered primers. All signs of high pressure. [Of course: Small rifle primer in the Lapua brass, and a large firing pin combo might not be best.]. Hornady 140 ELD match ammo worked well with no issues, shot 0.45” average group size, best was 0.3”.

Gun was apparently chambered for factory 140 ELD-M match ammo, and that worked well for me. Try that.

Also, if the bullets are loaded long in this factory ammo, or if they are heavier than 140, you might be getting a jammed bullet in this particular rifle (will not be the case in SAAMI specced chambers), and that can severely spike your pressure. Try different ammo. But please stop shooting this ammo, likely you are way over the pressure rating. The manual basically says do not shoot anything heavier than 140 grain bullets.
 
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No problems now with handloads.

OK glad to hear.

[I guess this should serve as a cautionary tale to all folks who buy this rifle: You cannot feed this rifle just any factory ammo... Not even top quality factory Berger match ammo. The Hornady match ammo of the correct weight works well though. And for once, actually read the manual... I initially did not!]

BUT: Mine shoots so well! Got three shots in one ragged hole a week ago. Routinely gets two shots in one hole per group of 4 or 5 shots. Will never sell this rifle!!

You do need to load differently for it though. My pressure max is reached at one grain (plus) less than my Shilen barrel or my Remington barrel. Speed is adequate. Just a different beast.
 
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OK glad to hear.

[I guess this should serve as a cautionary tale to all folks who buy this rifle: You cannot feed this rifle just any factory ammo... Not even top quality factory Berger match ammo. The Hornady match ammo of the correct weight works well though. And for once, actually read the manual... I initially did not!]

BUT: Mine shoots so well! Got three shots in one ragged hole a week ago. Routinely gets two shots in one hole per group of 4 or 5 shots. Will never sell this rifle!!

You do need to load differently for it though. My pressure max is reached at one grain (plus) less than my Shilen barrel or my Remington barrel. Speed is adequate. Just a different beast.
I would wager a guess that the reamers for these were when the only real factory options were hornady 140/147 and prime 130. Long before berger had factory options. It would have made a shitlosd of sense to chamber rifles for the most common factory options and one that still leaves tons of potential for reloaders.
 
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I would wager a guess that the reamers for these were when the only real factory options were hornady 140/147 and prime 130. Long before berger had factory options. It would have made a shitlosd of sense to chamber rifles for the most common factory options and one that still leaves tons of potential for reloaders.

They wrote up a few paragraphs in their manual explaining that the chamber is optimized for the 140 ELDM, and they are pretty explicit about not shooting any factory Ammo heavier than a 140 gn in this rifle...

I guess you could always seat 147 bullets deeper and achieve a 5 thou jump again, as long as you don’t compress the load too badly...