rifle range doesn't allow targets shaped like a torso

[Walter Haas]

I went to a new range in San Jose, CA today and they told me they don't allow targets shaped like a torso. Part of me wants to know why and another part of me already knows why: because some fool thinks compromise is good when dealing with the liberal game of sensitivity. The fool doesn't see that sensitivity is the fake outer covering for the real game liberals are playing: malevolence toward other people's power.

 

[acudaowner]

wonder if this would pass .

 

[Strykervet]

Well, fuck 'em. Draw a bowling pin with lines down either side. A ball on top of a square. We can real stupid with this, how far they wanna go?

Just start using portraits of Nancy Pelosi. I mean, one COULD argue it's a humanoid target but that's a real goddamn stretch...

 

[M8541Reaper]

Well it is a public range in Cali lol.

Back when I was living in FL, I went to a few ranges in the Tampa Bay Area that didn’t allow “rapid fire” (more than one round fired every two seconds) and didn’t allow any targets that were silhouettes, faces, pictures, or anything that could even be remotely considered close to the human form. ...and that was in FL... which is pretty much a lawless swamp.

 

[Blue Sky Country]

Well it is a public range in Cali lol.

Back when I was living in FL, I went to a few ranges in the Tampa Bay Area that didn’t allow “rapid fire” (more than one round fired every two seconds) and didn’t allow any targets that were silhouettes, faces, pictures, or anything that could even be remotely considered close to the human form. ...and that was in FL... which is pretty much a lawless swamp.

Fuck 'em. Do like what @Strykervet said above. Take a piece of cardboard and spray paint a vertical rectangle with a circle on top. Or take a vertical rectangular piece of cardboard and spray paint the word "HEAD" at the top, "CHEST" in the middle, "STOMACH" a little lower, so on and so on, you get the picture. We can get as creative and stupid with this as we want...

 

[M8541Reaper]

Fuck 'em. Do like what @Strykervet said above. Take a piece of cardboard and spray paint a vertical rectangle with a circle on top. Or take a vertical rectangular piece of cardboard and spray paint the word "HEAD" at the top, "CHEST" in the middle, "STOMACH" a little lower, so on and so on, you get the picture. We can get as creative and stupid with this as we want...

I remember laughing when they said it, thinking it was a joke because they were IPSC targets. I then realized they were serious so I think I just turned it around, drew a circle, shot a Mag or two, and left. Never went back, obviously.

 

[rhsc]

Well, their range - their rules. But it sounds like they're trying to be the last one fed to the alligators. There's a flaw in that logic somewhere.

 

[cmoore806]

Get ass shaped targets

 

[Mike Casselton]

Well it is a public range in Cali lol.

Back when I was living in FL, I went to a few ranges in the Tampa Bay Area that didn’t allow “rapid fire” (more than one round fired every two seconds) and didn’t allow any targets that were silhouettes, faces, pictures, or anything that could even be remotely considered close to the human form. ...and that was in FL... which is pretty much a lawless swamp.

Teneroc?

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

I guess the targets I use, would send them over the edge. The inmates that clean up after all the slobs always get a kick out of seeing the latest. The S/O jefa just shakes his head most of the time, but he has gave me the thumbs up more than once, depending who.

 

[Austinjunks]

Hit them with that dog target.

 

[Rthur]

FFS...

R

 

[powdahound76]

Wow.

We use the targets with an actual bad guy printed on them. With the “best kill zone” noted by a white line.
They also use one with a torso that highlights the organs (I will get a pic) for folks to understand what will make a guy bled out.....

Rapid double and triples encouraged.

Get checked off and practice drawing all you want.
Even from seated....
Which is a great idea for driving/church/dining out situations

And this is in Colorado ?

 

[45cal4life]

 

[M8541Reaper]

Teneroc?

Wyoming Antelope Club I think was the outdoor range I ran into an issue with but also there was an indoor range that did the same thing. This was back in the 2008/2009 timeframe so I might be wrong. Teneroc sounds familiar but I would have never of made that drive from St. Pete, unless it was to meet a buddy, when I could have just gone to the Manatee Gun & Archery 1,000yd range down south. I ended up just using manatee for long range days and the St Pete Police Pistol range for pistol days. Never an issue at either of those (outside of the usual incompetence of shooters at a public range).

 

[missed]

Show up with some big dick shaped targets.

 

[Nik H]

I went to a new range in San Jose, CA today and they told me they don't allow targets shaped like a torso. Part of me wants to know why and another part of me already knows why: because some fool thinks compromise is good when dealing with the liberal game of sensitivity. The fool doesn't see that sensitivity is the fake outer covering for the real game liberals are playing: malevolence toward other people's power.

Go here if you visit the LA area...super nice and people are great

LA Area range

 

[hlee]

There's a range outside of Redwood City (CA) that has the same rule. And, I'm pretty sure I went to a range in Sacramento that had that rule. I just needed a zero on my rifle and didn't really care about their no silhouette rule. Just draw an IPSC size rectangle on the target they give you and roll on.

ASC in Houston has a no rapid fire rule. As was stated above, Their range, their rules. Oh well, I can waste enough money without pulling the trigger fast.

 

[Fig]

. ...and that was in FL... which is pretty much a lawless swamp.

??????? You win the Internet today!

They don’t allow silhouette or targets that look like people at Missouri Department of Conservation ranges either.

...and that’s in Missouri...which is pretty much a lawless, rocky forest.

 

[waveslayer]

I would just write that your target identifies as a rectangle and that you don't see any body silhouettes...

 

[MadDuner]

My neighbor asked me about all my target silhouettes full of holes that were “human” shaped. She told me that practicing to kill people was “vile”. I promised her that I would only shoot humans that needed shooting.

 

[Fig]

mine is a gay triangle...racist.

 

[Fig]

My neighbor asked me about all my target silhouettes full of holes that were “human” shaped. She told me that practicing to kill people was “vile”. I promised her that I would only shoot humans that needed shooting.

Tell her, “They're not humans. They’re communists.”

 

[Fig]

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WTF is that? A giant robot with two cyborg, human heads grafted on? Is this what we’ll be shooting when AI decides we’re a threat?

 

[MtnCreek]

No rapid fire rule makes sense for some ranges. Some are on small pieces of property with insufficient (for a public range) berms. I handed a guy at a public range a DAO pistol of mine. Guy had some severe jerk and put a rd in the dirt about 10 yds out (target at 20yd). Crazy things go on at public ranges. If I operated a public range I'd probably require only one rd in the gun at a time. Might even require they wear a shock collar.

 

[Fig]

Not allowing guns makes sense at some of them. There is an “unregulated“ range near my cabin, and I’ve been a witness to several incidents there, including an ND with a shotgun where a few bird-shot pellets hit a guy in the face. Missed his eyes, but he acted like it was a mortal wound and left on a gurney with an IV and O2. I’ve never seen anyone shot so little and make such a big fuss. Took hours for the state police to take everyone’s statements.

Another time an old man let loose with a .22 target pistol during a ceasefire while I was down range. My buddy got pissed because I ran so he was between me and the shooter. It’s really convenient, but if there’s more than two cars in the parking lot I turn around and don’t shoot. I would never even consider taking my kids there with me. Too many fucktards.

 

[lash]

Well it is a public range in Cali lol.

Back when I was living in FL, I went to a few ranges in the Tampa Bay Area that didn’t allow “rapid fire” (more than one round fired every two seconds) and didn’t allow any targets that were silhouettes, faces, pictures, or anything that could even be remotely considered close to the human form. ...and that was in FL... which is pretty much a lawless swamp.

Hey! I resemble that remark! ??

FYI, there are still some indoor ranges that restrict rate of fire like that and do not allow draw from any holster. There’s actually a reason. Considering that any schmuck can plop down a few bucks and start banging away and add to that the carnage they see from people hitting the floor, ceiling, walls and even the barricades separating shooters, I get it. The general public can be dangerous.

Having said that, I last shot at one of those indoor ranges down here about 8-9 years ago. At the time, I was competing regularly in IDPA comps and was used to practicing rapid drills, rapid draw and double tap, etc. I went to this range because they had a great sale on S&W that weekend and I wanted another 642, so I brought my comp/carry pistol and a couple boxes of ammo.

I quickly got bored with the slow fire drills, even when moved all the way to max distance at 25 yards. so for the last mag full of 17 rounds. I put a fresh target at 25 yards, the loaded pistol on the table at the ready and hit the timer on my phone. I snatched up the pistol and rapid-fired all 17 rounds into a 6” bullseye. I finished, placed the weapon on the table with mag out and locked back, hit the timer and raised my hands as being done. Turned around and there was the grizzled RSO watching me through the safety glass. I said, “I’m done.”, packed up my stuff and left. All rounds were on target and it felt good. ?

 

[M8541Reaper]

Hey! I resemble that remark! ??

FYI, there are still some indoor ranges that restrict rate of fire like that and do not allow draw from any holster. There’s actually a reason. Considering that any schmuck can plop down a few bucks and start banging away and add to that the carnage they see from people hitting the floor, ceiling, walls and even the barricades separating shooters, I get it. The general public can be dangerous.

Having said that, I last shot at one of those indoor ranges down here about 8-9 years ago. At the time, I was competing regularly in IDPA comps and was used to practicing rapid drills, rapid draw and double tap, etc. I went to this range because they had a great sale on S&W that weekend and I wanted another 642, so I brought my comp/carry pistol and a couple boxes of ammo.

I quickly got bored with the slow fire drills, even when moved all the way to max distance at 25 yards. so for the last mag full of 17 rounds. I put a fresh target at 25 yards, the loaded pistol on the table at the ready and hit the timer on my phone. I snatched up the pistol and rapid-fired all 17 rounds into a 6” bullseye. I finished, placed the weapon on the table with mag out and locked back, hit the timer and raised my hands as being done. Turned around and there was the grizzled RSO watching me through the safety glass. I said, “I’m done.”, packed up my stuff and left. All rounds were on target and it felt good. ?

Yea dude, public ranges, especially indoor ranges, are more dangerous than eating $40 of Taco Bell and thinking it’s a fart.

 

[Mike Casselton]

Wyoming Antelope Club I think was the outdoor range I ran into an issue with but also there was an indoor range that did the same thing. This was back in the 2008/2009 timeframe so I might be wrong. Teneroc sounds familiar but I would have never of made that drive from St. Pete, unless it was to meet a buddy, when I could have just gone to the Manatee Gun & Archery 1,000yd range down south. I ended up just using manatee for long range days and the St Pete Police Pistol range for pistol days. Never an issue at either of those (outside of the usual incompetence of shooters at a public range).

I hear Manatee has also turned into a shit show. Haven't been there in at least 5, maybe 6 years.

WAC isn't worth the drive for me because I'm southeast of Tampa.

Been hanging out at a range that's less than 15 minutes from here.
Still waiting on JTAC to open.
They will allow drawing, shooting on the move and more as long as you can pass the competency tests.
Bays for AR type moving and firing too.
Oh, and for rifle shooting, 2K yards.

The wait is killing me.

 

[_Windrider_]

It’s CA. This shouldn’t be surprising

 

[Greg Langelius *]

This restriction has been the law for decades in NY and NJ.

I have most often printed my own targets, using a light gray hexagon that is stretched vertically with a white square in the mid-section and white triangle in the upper section. All hits are visible, and they are scope targets.

For iron sights, the gray is darker.

Don't 'Don Quixote' the windmills.

Greg

 

[Walter Haas]

Well, their range - their rules. But it sounds like they're trying to be the last one fed to the alligators. There's a flaw in that logic somewhere.

Its not "their range". Its a public range and I pay property tax on rental property I own in San Jose. Its as much my range as anyones, I would think.

 

[Walter Haas]

I thought I new all the ranges in the area and did not know if a “new” range. What is the ranges name?

I meant it was new to me. Every rifle range is new to me, I've only been shooting a month. It was Field Sports Park. Beautiful rifle range, even nicer than Circle S west of Petaluma.

 

[Walter Haas]

Go here if you visit the LA area...super nice and people are great

LA Area range

Nice looking range. Closest 1000 yard range to me is 2.5 hours away in Sacramento.

 

[ditter]

Public range in Miami here won't allow rapid-fire (more than one shot every five seconds) or drawing from a holster. But the place is packed with first time and beginner shooters, so it is understandable. RSOs know me, so they will allow a double tap, but that's it. And no picture targets, only a bullseye.

Private range I go to will allow picture targets and drawing on the line. They also allow rapid fire, but only in a private rented bay.

Now if they would just ban 5'2" guys that feel the need to shoot their .50 cal on the 100-yard line, it would be great. Idiots

 

[j-huskey]

I see and hear all this.
The gray man shooter on all ranges who follows their rules, gets to shoot as much as he wants.
Gray man stays calm, professional, and un-excited or set off.
Gray man makes friends with all kinds. Gray man sees reactions to bad behavior and can reduce the damage by being a peacemaker and redirecting the flow.
Gray man can guide fence sitters away from anti-gun sentiments.
Gray man leaves full auto locked in trunk until he hooks the non believers.
Gray man leaves tricked out ar15 in trunk until he hooks the non believers.
Gray man hooks a lot of non believers with the S&W ar22.... then adds the suppressor, and then they want one.
Gray man does more for the shooting world than 'in your face' people, reaches more varied types of people that wouldn't ever touch a gun, and draws them in...

Gray man is a salesman, gray man is a collector of knowledge, of people and places to avoid, of people who need to be watched closer, of the good things to be passed on.

Some of the previous postings demonstrate a level of close-mindedness that will exacerbate the us vs them conflict to date.

Mattis said, "No better friend", "Be nice to everyone who let's you", and the Gray man practices that, leaving the second half Mattis said, unspoken.
The Gray man vanishes like smoke when a major shitstorm comes up at ranges, and does not exacerbate them.
And on the day Gray man had to exercise part two of the Mattis plan, Gray man wins, because all the witnesses remember the nice Gray man from b4...

Just like they remember the loud mouth argumentative asshole from b4.

It's easier to find like minded people who will accept your views, your 50 cal, your full auto, your painted suppressed ar, and your race pistol, if you gray man them from day 1.

Your enemy can do the same, so, it's better to be gray and blend until you see them for what they are. Just sayin..

Who really gives a fuck what kind of target.... or the shape......
The whole idea is, no matter what the target, you train to put the bullet precisely where you want it to go.
That innocent dot in the dot drill is all you need, nobody is offended.
Plan A at range A.
Plan B at range B.
Plan C at range C.
Etc.....
Be surprised at the number of friends you can make who dont look, think, or act like you, who can be a blessing in disguise later... just sayin.

Stay hotheaded and close minded, and lose a lot of opportunities.
Stay gray, open minded, and receptive and gain a lot of opportunities.

If you want another example, BigFatCock gets a date from Grindr, and it doesnt go well, but he plays nice, gets good user feedback, but doesn't go back for a second try on that thot....
No different for ranges and what you meet there.
vr, .02 sent.

 

[Rlandry]

It's sad tat so many gun owners can not be trusted to go out and not do something stupid, but because of the things I've seen, I can appreciate range rules
Our range is actually a private club. We have a pretty thorough application process including a background check, taking applicants to one of the bays for safe gun handling evaluation and then a two hour indoctrination class going over all of the range rules and taking questions.
In spite of that, we still have people who go out and do stupid shit. I was on the BOD as Chief Range Safety Officer and it kept me up many a night.
We conclude our safety presentation with the statement, "If you don't think you can abide by our rules, then this club is probably not for you." That should apply every where. If you don't like it, don't go there. Seems pretty simple.
That said, I can only imagine what it takes to control a private range.

 

[Walter Haas]

This restriction has been the law for decades in NY and NJ.

I have most often printed my own targets, using a light gray hexagon that is stretched vertically with a white square in the mid-section and white triangle in the upper section. All hits are visible, and they are scope targets.

For iron sights, the gray is darker.

Don't 'Don Quixote' the windmills.

Greg

If they put this into law in NY that's even sicker. It shows how liberal sensitivity produces more laws, more laws = less freedom. They attack freedom too because freedom itself is potential power, its the potential to gain power and they don't want that either. This is all childish stuff which is why teenagers and young adults tend to be liberal, they sense the potential for revenge against the power that "forced" them to become civilized while they were being raised.

 

[Diver160651]

I meant it was new to me. Every rifle range is new to me, I've only been shooting a month. It was Field Sports Park. Beautiful rifle range, even nicer than Circle S west of Petaluma.

Ah, got it. Medcafe, is run by the PD.

Having to drive 3hrs to get to a great 1K range is not something I'd bitch about. It's what, 4 hours to skiing? With a density that the Bay Area has it can be hard to find enough land to have ranges to 1K +. That said we have a lot of rifle ranges more than most places.

The nearest long range 1K+ is fairly close to Medcafe "Field Sports", not as far away as you might think. It is Hollister but by appointment only.

Most the real long ranges are 2-3hr from the City, we also have at least 4 that are not too tough to get onto. BTW SacValley or Folsom has the 1k range but it is not really open as a walk on. There is actually more BLM than you might know, Coalinga and Avenal are worth the drive.

Picture below from Avenal 3hrs from you. Sorry only photo I had, was on my phone. Several Hide guys shoot at Avenal.

 

[BytorJr]

Wyoming Antelope Club I think was the outdoor range I ran into an issue with but also there was an indoor range that did the same thing. This was back in the 2008/2009 timeframe so I might be wrong. Teneroc sounds familiar but I would have never of made that drive from St. Pete, unless it was to meet a buddy, when I could have just gone to the Manatee Gun & Archery 1,000yd range down south. I ended up just using manatee for long range days and the St Pete Police Pistol range for pistol days. Never an issue at either of those (outside of the usual incompetence of shooters at a public range).

I never knew about the long range in Manatee whilst I lived in CLW. I never shot at St Pete police range but had thought about finding out how to do so.

The indoor range by Honeywell was ok. But they allowed too many people to troll around for one bay. Like 4 people behind me one time trading spots on the lane next to me. Freaked me out. Shoot straight bought it and I think it’s now closed. Probably because somebody offend themselves in there (don’t remember when).

 

[Nik H]

Nice looking range. Closest 1000 yard range to me is 2.5 hours away in Sacramento.

That is a really nice range. You should go there. I am in SF next week. I will have to bring a rifle one of these times

 

[Inifinty]

 

[vh20]

Heck, even an IPSC target isn't torso-shaped anymore.

 

[M8541Reaper]

I never knew about the long range in Manatee whilst I lived in CLW. I never shot at St Pete police range but had thought about finding out how to do so.

The indoor range by Honeywell was ok. But they allowed too many people to troll around for one bay. Like 4 people behind me one time trading spots on the lane next to me. Freaked me out. Shoot straight bought it and I think it’s now closed. Probably because somebody offend themselves in there (don’t remember when).

The police range was open to the public and was like $5 for all day....but no one knew it was a public range so it was always empty, which made me love it. Knights on 19, which later became shoot straight, was dangerous as all hell and I think they had someone off themselves back around my timeframe or just after.

Dude manatee used to be awesome. 1,000yds public line with private 100 and 200YD bays.Was like 15$ for all day. Heard it went to shit now though and only out to 600 if you qualify. ...because assholes were launching rounds at 1k without knowing anything and I guess farmers complained about the incoming. So once again, the general ignorant public fucks it up for the rest of us.

 

[Snipe260]

I see and hear all this.
The gray man shooter on all ranges who follows their rules, gets to shoot as much as he wants.
Gray man stays calm, professional, and un-excited or set off.
Gray man makes friends with all kinds. Gray man sees reactions to bad behavior and can reduce the damage by being a peacemaker and redirecting the flow.
Gray man can guide fence sitters away from anti-gun sentiments.
Gray man leaves full auto locked in trunk until he hooks the non believers.
Gray man leaves tricked out ar15 in trunk until he hooks the non believers.
Gray man hooks a lot of non believers with the S&W ar22.... then adds the suppressor, and then they want one.
Gray man does more for the shooting world than 'in your face' people, reaches more varied types of people that wouldn't ever touch a gun, and draws them in...

Gray man is a salesman, gray man is a collector of knowledge, of people and places to avoid, of people who need to be watched closer, of the good things to be passed on.

Some of the previous postings demonstrate a level of close-mindedness that will exacerbate the us vs them conflict to date.

Mattis said, "No better friend", "Be nice to everyone who let's you", and the Gray man practices that, leaving the second half Mattis said, unspoken.
The Gray man vanishes like smoke when a major shitstorm comes up at ranges, and does not exacerbate them.
And on the day Gray man had to exercise part two of the Mattis plan, Gray man wins, because all the witnesses remember the nice Gray man from b4...

Just like they remember the loud mouth argumentative asshole from b4.

It's easier to find like minded people who will accept your views, your 50 cal, your full auto, your painted suppressed ar, and your race pistol, if you gray man them from day 1.

Your enemy can do the same, so, it's better to be gray and blend until you see them for what they are. Just sayin..

Who really gives a fuck what kind of target.... or the shape......
The whole idea is, no matter what the target, you train to put the bullet precisely where you want it to go.
That innocent dot in the dot drill is all you need, nobody is offended.
Plan A at range A.
Plan B at range B.
Plan C at range C.
Etc.....
Be surprised at the number of friends you can make who dont look, think, or act like you, who can be a blessing in disguise later... just sayin.

Stay hotheaded and close minded, and lose a lot of opportunities.
Stay gray, open minded, and receptive and gain a lot of opportunities.

If you want another example, BigFatCock gets a date from Grindr, and it doesnt go well, but he plays nice, gets good user feedback, but doesn't go back for a second try on that thot....
No different for ranges and what you meet there.
vr, .02 sent.

So ur saying sister Mary was on Grindr ?

 

[Greg Langelius *]

I believe I misspoke about the prohibition being law in NY. I do know that the State Association range I shot at in NJ forbade such target in the 1990's.

Greg

 

[Shooter McGavin]

Heck, even an IPSC target isn't torso-shaped anymore.

USPSA targets are still torso shaped

 

[2aBaC̶a̶]

Bah, Field Sports Park aka Metcalf. I shot there ONCE. Too many idiots.

@Walter Haas have you been to Los Altos rod & Gun? That's the only local range I go to. Decent folks, zero tolerance for stupid.

They allow any target that doesnt have a human face.

They even have a real time weather station on the range.

Weather at the Los Altos Rod and Gun Club Range

Los Altos Rod and Gun Club Range Weather

www.losaltosrodandgunclub.com

 

[Maser]

All public ranges suck in their own special way.

 

[Jefe's Dope]

Hey, hostage training is just a waste of your time and a gun nut's pipe dream.

It's not like some random dude had to take a head shot to avoid mass killings in a church lately or anything.