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I could never get the equation to favor reloading over factory money wise the last few years. I don't care about customizing for the perfect load etc-FGMM/Hornady ELD are plenty good for me.
Do you also get angry when your local gas station raises prices overnight?
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Law of Supply and Demand in Economics: How It Works
The law of supply and demand explains how changes in a product's market price relate to its supply and demand.
Your "buddy" runs a business. He doesn't know what his immediate future looks like in regards to his business remaining open. IF he has to close for 30 days or more, it could put him out of business. He's only reacting to existing market demands. He's also suffered the incredibly low prices and competitiveness of online ammo sellers. Unless he's made a promise, or more appropriately, a contract with you and your friends, he owes you nothing. Just as you owe him nothing. And based on your posts in this thread, he's likely happy to move on from you anyway.
The ammo industry was invaded by opportunists seeing a market not meeting demand. Eventually that demand was met and what you saw the last year or so was investors/business' unloading what they could, while they could in order to reman solvent or recoup what investments they made. Many, based on those prices, probably didn't make much if any money. But that's business. There's as risk vs. reward scenario and your "friend" is only reaping the rewards of his risks whether you approve or not.
I walked by a 3hr ammo ration line right over to the reloading section, proceeded to fill my cart and got out of the store in all of 15 minutes.
Well, silver lining ....
Gas prices are dropping like rocks around here and the gas stations have plenty of it. I filled out backyard pool with it to make sure we have enough on hand for bug-out and Molotov Cocktail purposes.
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Gas prices are dropping like rocks around here and the gas stations have plenty of it. I filled out backyard pool with it to make sure we have enough on hand for bug-out and Molotov Cocktail purposes.
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You're assuming I don't have enough of that to make 20000 rounds more. I have enough shotshell components to make another 10000 of those alone.
Speaking of... I'm wondering how long a dozen 55g drums of diesel would stay stable for without additives.
One of my trucks has 100 gallon tanks, but being an F450, it's not my favor to drive unless it's under a load. Sumbitch will rattle your fillings loose.
Probably best to put stabilizer in it. I’ve use the marine version of fuel stabilizer in gasoline without issue for a few years and then sent samples to the lab. Actually was totally fine with almost no desolved water / water.
Price is meaning less with empty shelves. My favorite article so far has been the one about gun control advocates finding out you can't order a gun to be delivered to your home.
And this thread reminded me about the can of Tula .223 a friend gave me in 2005 that is in the back of my ammo cabinet.
And this thread reminded me about the can of Tula .223 a friend gave me in 2005 that is in the back of my ammo cabinet.
The key is keeping the fuel cool and keeping the fuel dry. Under ideal conditions, diesel fuel can be stored between six and twelve months. To extend the life past twelve months, even under the best conditions, it needs to be treated with fuel stabilizers and biocides.
Do you also get angry when your local gas station raises prices overnight?
Law of Supply and Demand in Economics: How It Works
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Your "buddy" runs a business. He doesn't know what his immediate future looks like in regards to his business remaining open. IF he has to close for 30 days or more, it could put him out of business. He's only reacting to existing market demands. He's also suffered the incredibly low prices and competitiveness of online ammo sellers. Unless he's made a promise, or more appropriately, a contract with you and your friends, he owes you nothing. Just as you owe him nothing. And based on your posts in this thread, he's likely happy to move on from you anyway.
The ammo industry was invaded by opportunists seeing a market not meeting demand. Eventually that demand was met and what you saw the last year or so was investors/business' unloading what they could, while they could in order to reman solvent or recoup what investments they made. Many, based on those prices, probably didn't make much if any money. But that's business. There's as risk vs. reward scenario and your "friend" is only reaping the rewards of his risks whether you approve or not.
For the most part I'd agree with you up to the point he let it fly at our annual meeting that he was going to gouge the fuck out of people.
Funny how a few drinks and misspoken words will kill off your collective friendships.
Our group has many professionals,
Doctors, Dentist, and Ditch Diggers I think you understand what I'm saying.
Thr funny thing about it is he doesn't even need the money it's a hobby to him.
As for ammo and components, that plan was set in motion decades ago on a rotating basis.
I get where you're coming from. And I'd probably feel exactly the same way as you do. It certainly is disappointing when you thought you knew someone and they fooled you. Start to question myself. But on the bright side, there's a bunch of peeps right here that I've never met in person that I've seen step up for other members. And more than once or twice. Makes me proud to be part of this group.
This.
There is a huge difference between a M193 round and the FMJ Tula stuff. Regardless, I dont want to get shot with either.
Over the velocity threshold M193 will fragment in soft tissue and do crazy shit with exit wounds that look like they got shot up close with a shotgun.
Give it a few weeks and the demand will hit the floor again after all the retards realize that they aren't going to need it, and eventually realize that they fucking suck with a carbine anyways. All I ever need to see is people doing simple 'up drills' to know that 99% of gun owners can't defensively shoot to save their lives. Literally.
"Oh, but I'm prepared, I have a gun and ammo in my house!". That's cute ARFcommer. Make sure its the ammo I like to use, ok?
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Fucking virtuous bastard. You and your reloading virtue signals!
Ain't that right @Centuriator ???
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I don’t think so… I think what’s going to happen is that this will end and then the election cycle will start factoring in.
I suspect that Trump is going to lose the election very narrowly and then we’re gonna have a problem
I found a store today that was selling “factory seconds” of ammo.
MK318 Mod 1 @8.99 per 20
175 FGMM 308 for 15.99 per 20
I was happy. Especially with how hard any ammo is to get right now.
MK318 Mod 1 @8.99 per 20
175 FGMM 308 for 15.99 per 20
I was happy. Especially with how hard any ammo is to get right now.
Spent 90 seconds looking, found quality 22 LR in stock (at about 6 cents a round, little high but...)
www.smkw.com
LGS may be another issue, but so far UPS and FedEX are still running
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LGS may be another issue, but so far UPS and FedEX are still running
About 3 to 4 years. I don’t think this will last like that unless a Dem wins the presidency.
Some variables make this different from a "politically-motivated" shortage. The shortage has been caused by people facing a deadly virus, so they cleaned out the shelves. Ammo companies are already running at full capacity in most cases, and they in turn are paying higher prices for components. So, if all thing were otherwise equal, the shelves should be full of ammo again in a month or so, but ... you have the virus. As long as it is around, you are doing to have people panic buying. AND...the more people who make ammo get sick, or, God forbid die, the less people are making ammo and this applies to every aspect of ammo making: from the constituent parts up to and including supply chain.
Too many unknowns to say "when this will be over." The most important question right now is, "What can and should I do to mitigate risk of illness to myself, my family and my community."
might want to lay low on the backyard bbq's for a while...
Diesel has a better shelf life than gasoline but it will eventually go bad because algea will grow in it . If you go find a can of diesel thats been laying around , look inside and you will see black stuff floating around ... that's algea. That stuff will grow 10 times faster in biodiesel. Most diesel has about 20% biodiesel mixed in it .
You can run some really old diesel but it will clog the filter up real quick.
Best case scenario things look good at the end of April… Most likely case is things of settle out to June or July with respect to the virus... which will impact all businesses in the economy including ammunition manufacturing
I was gonna say something but thought that leaving people with hope right now is the best medicine.
Creating false hope is not helpful. Anyone who thinks this will be all over by the end of April or everyone will be moving around at that "beautiful time" of Easter has taken leave of their senses. Fortunately, Trump listened to his expert advisors and walked about his rose-colored projections. We will get through this, for sure, but better to be realistic about the situation.
At my age I've seen panic buying/shortages come and go. Learned a long time ago to keep enough inventory on hand to not be bothered by any of it. Loaded ammo, reloading supplies, I'm covered..
On the other hand, the toilet paper shortage is troubling.
On the other hand, the toilet paper shortage is troubling.
We will not fade into the nite, unarmed.
My local gunrange just sent out an email.
Curb side service on ammo and guns.
Curb side service on ammo and guns.
Not a typo not fake news.
Proper id and fill out forms in your vehicle wait for background check .
Drive off with what you need.
You people thought drive through beer barns were genius.
Ha.
My local gunrange just sent out an email.
Curb side service on ammo and guns.
Curb side service on ammo and guns.
Not a typo not fake news.
Proper id and fill out forms in your vehicle wait for background check .
Drive off with what you need.
You people thought drive through beer barns were genius.
Ha.
May be members only not sure but good news.
5 minutes later find out Texas declared national disaster.
Good thing our governor is a 2a rights supporter and we also have a no disarming law in emergency situations.
Wife working grocery store worries me but she told me to get over it.
5 minutes later find out Texas declared national disaster.
Good thing our governor is a 2a rights supporter and we also have a no disarming law in emergency situations.
Wife working grocery store worries me but she told me to get over it.
National news.
Big hospital has to break into thier secret emergency supply.
But I have ammo and tp so I'm a dirty hoarder with an arsenal.
Fuck the reporters that spew this crap.
The hospitals tell me I don't need masks for protection and hoard them.
I tell them I'm not sharing guns ammo or providing any protection for any of them.
Black market trades bitch?
Big hospital has to break into thier secret emergency supply.
But I have ammo and tp so I'm a dirty hoarder with an arsenal.
Fuck the reporters that spew this crap.
The hospitals tell me I don't need masks for protection and hoard them.
I tell them I'm not sharing guns ammo or providing any protection for any of them.
Black market trades bitch?
I bought 1000 rounds of 5.56 about 6 years ago on a black Friday sale for about $185.00.
sitting in the safe ever since. There were 150 round boxes at lgs today ,Winchester, for $50.
sitting in the safe ever since. There were 150 round boxes at lgs today ,Winchester, for $50.
I believe most of the shortage is driven from panicked first time buyers.
Some as I witnessed at a store do not know how to operate what they purchased and were taking advise from thier children that play video games. Yes I saw that.
I worry about safety on the gun ranges that are open.
Check six.
Some as I witnessed at a store do not know how to operate what they purchased and were taking advise from thier children that play video games. Yes I saw that.
I worry about safety on the gun ranges that are open.
Check six.
I'm not sure if I have any really fine point Sharpies to mark each of my .22LR rounds. I'm thinking .... maybe just keep it simple. $1 each, shipped. Holy cow...I'm going to get $10,000! Even better than the government check headed my way.
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